The following reflects the views of L2BEAT’s governance team, composed of @krst and @Sinkas, and it’s based on the combined research, fact-checking, and ideation of the two.
This proposal seeks the consensus of delegates to temporarily pause incentive programs in Arbitrum for 3 months following the conclusion of LTIPP and STIP Bridge distribution timeframes and utilize that time to structure a perpetual incentives program based on the data and the lessons learned from the programs we’ve had so far.
Ever since the first program (Short Term Incentives Program aka STIP), the DAO has been jumping from one program to another without effectively reflecting on the data generated by each program. The STIP Backfund proposal was introduced to fund all the STIP applications that were approved but were not funded because the budget ran out. The distribution for STIP and Backfund incentives was extended to March 2024, while the Long Term Incentives Pilot Program (LTIPP) was introduced in December 2023 and was poised to run from January 2024 to April 2024. Lastly, we had the STIP-Bridge proposal that was meant to mitigate the ‘unfair’ advantage that protocols distributing incentives from LTIPP would have over those distributing incentives from STIP & Backfund after the latter programs had expired.
Anyone who followed the discussions around the different proposals and programs is familiar with the fact that time constraints played a significant role in why we didn’t stop to analyze the data collected and iterate based on that. We needed to maintain momentum and remain competitive with other L2s, especially while the market was overall bullish.
Things have changed over the past few months, and the need for an incentive program that accounts for all the data that we have collected through the past programs has become apparent. Our proposal is a social agreement (we will post a temperature check vote on Snapshot but there will be no on-chain proposal) to use the 3 months following the conclusion of LTIPP and STIP Bridge explicitly to reflect on the learnings, to design & refine a program based on them, as well as on the feedback of key stakeholders.
We know incentives are a vital part of protocol and ecosystem growth in crypto, and we want to help create a perpetual program that leverages incentives in the most efficient way to create the biggest positive impact on the protocols receiving them.
There are already hundreds of data points to review, analyze, and ultimately distill into actionable insights on what works and what doesn’t in terms of incentives. From professionally carried out analysis to opinion-article style posts in the forums from stakeholders close to the DAO and the incentive programs themselves, here is a non-exhaustive list of information to use (in chronological order):
Before we embark on another incentive program, we should make an effort to incorporate the culmination of all the learnings from the above posts (and others I might have missed) into the design process.
The proposal will be submitted to Snapshot a week after this post is published on the forum. If it successfully passes temp-check, the proposed 3-month break from incentive programs will begin on September 17th, given that LTIPP and STIP Bridge incentive distribution timeframe conclude on September 2nd and September 16th respectively.
Within 2 weeks of a successful temp-check, we will facilitate the revival of the incentives working group and invite delegates, researchers who have conducted analysis, protocol builders, and other relevant stakeholders to participate in the working group.
L2BEAT does not wish to lead the working group, and we’d instead prefer to facilitate its creation and then step back and participate in it as delegates by providing our feedback and opinions. We do commit, however, to remaining active in the working group and helping drive the discussion forward.
Once the working group has been formed, it should regularly meet and work towards designing an incentive program that accounts for as many of the insights we’ve gathered as possible without sacrificing operational efficiency and introducing too many complicated and unnecessary structures.
The proposed timeline for the incentives detox is 3 months. If involved parties feel that more time is needed to design an incentive program that is as comprehensive as possible, then the timeline can be extended as needed without an additional vote.
There is no cost associated with the execution of this AIP.
The following reflects the views of L2BEAT’s governance team, composed of @krst and @Sinkas, and it’s based on the combined research, fact-checking, and ideation of the two.
This proposal seeks the consensus of delegates to temporarily pause incentive programs in Arbitrum for 3 months following the conclusion of LTIPP and STIP Bridge distribution timeframes and utilize that time to structure a perpetual incentives program based on the data and the lessons learned from the programs we’ve had so far.
Ever since the first program (Short Term Incentives Program aka STIP), the DAO has been jumping from one program to another without effectively reflecting on the data generated by each program. The STIP Backfund proposal was introduced to fund all the STIP applications that were approved but were not funded because the budget ran out. The distribution for STIP and Backfund incentives was extended to March 2024, while the Long Term Incentives Pilot Program (LTIPP) was introduced in December 2023 and was poised to run from January 2024 to April 2024. Lastly, we had the STIP-Bridge proposal that was meant to mitigate the ‘unfair’ advantage that protocols distributing incentives from LTIPP would have over those distributing incentives from STIP & Backfund after the latter programs had expired.
Anyone who followed the discussions around the different proposals and programs is familiar with the fact that time constraints played a significant role in why we didn’t stop to analyze the data collected and iterate based on that. We needed to maintain momentum and remain competitive with other L2s, especially while the market was overall bullish.
Things have changed over the past few months, and the need for an incentive program that accounts for all the data that we have collected through the past programs has become apparent. Our proposal is a social agreement (we will post a temperature check vote on Snapshot but there will be no on-chain proposal) to use the 3 months following the conclusion of LTIPP and STIP Bridge explicitly to reflect on the learnings, to design & refine a program based on them, as well as on the feedback of key stakeholders.
We know incentives are a vital part of protocol and ecosystem growth in crypto, and we want to help create a perpetual program that leverages incentives in the most efficient way to create the biggest positive impact on the protocols receiving them.
There are already hundreds of data points to review, analyze, and ultimately distill into actionable insights on what works and what doesn’t in terms of incentives. From professionally carried out analysis to opinion-article style posts in the forums from stakeholders close to the DAO and the incentive programs themselves, here is a non-exhaustive list of information to use (in chronological order):
Before we embark on another incentive program, we should make an effort to incorporate the culmination of all the learnings from the above posts (and others I might have missed) into the design process.
The proposal will be submitted to Snapshot a week after this post is published on the forum. If it successfully passes temp-check, the proposed 3-month break from incentive programs will begin on September 17th, given that LTIPP and STIP Bridge incentive distribution timeframe conclude on September 2nd and September 16th respectively.
Within 2 weeks of a successful temp-check, we will facilitate the revival of the incentives working group and invite delegates, researchers who have conducted analysis, protocol builders, and other relevant stakeholders to participate in the working group.
L2BEAT does not wish to lead the working group, and we’d instead prefer to facilitate its creation and then step back and participate in it as delegates by providing our feedback and opinions. We do commit, however, to remaining active in the working group and helping drive the discussion forward.
Once the working group has been formed, it should regularly meet and work towards designing an incentive program that accounts for as many of the insights we’ve gathered as possible without sacrificing operational efficiency and introducing too many complicated and unnecessary structures.
The proposed timeline for the incentives detox is 3 months. If involved parties feel that more time is needed to design an incentive program that is as comprehensive as possible, then the timeline can be extended as needed without an additional vote.
There is no cost associated with the execution of this AIP.
https://forum.arbitrum.foundation/t/rfc-incentives-detox-proposal/25849/46?u=castlecapital
https://forum.arbitrum.foundation/t/rfc-incentives-detox-proposal/25849/44
https://forum.arbitrum.foundation/t/rfc-incentives-detox-proposal/25849/43?u=winverse
https://forum.arbitrum.foundation/t/rfc-incentives-detox-proposal/25849/31?u=0x_ultra
https://forum.arbitrum.foundation/t/rfc-incentives-detox-proposal/25849/41?u=griff
https://forum.arbitrum.foundation/t/rfc-incentives-detox-proposal/25849/4
We agree re. the need for a pause on incentive programs while we assess post-IP data yet are abstaining due to proposal concerns.
https://forum.arbitrum.foundation/t/rfc-incentives-detox-proposal/25849/39?u=alexlumley
https://forum.arbitrum.foundation/t/argonaut-delegate-communication-thread/24722/18?u=argonaut
https://forum.arbitrum.foundation/t/rfc-incentives-detox-proposal/25849/38?u=tane
https://forum.arbitrum.foundation/t/rfc-incentives-detox-proposal/25849/37?u=ocandocrypto
https://forum.arbitrum.foundation/t/rfc-incentives-detox-proposal/25849/35?u=camelot
https://forum.arbitrum.foundation/t/rfc-incentives-detox-proposal/25849/34?u=mcfly
"I support this proposal because it optimizes token distribution, helping to foster a healthy ecosystem and providing clear incentives for t
I agree in principle, but this is a social contract or informal agreement, and thus, I believe no formal vote is necessary.
https://forum.arbitrum.foundation/t/rfc-incentives-detox-proposal/25849/27?u=bruce
https://forum.arbitrum.foundation/t/rfc-incentives-detox-proposal/25849/24
https://forum.arbitrum.foundation/t/rfc-incentives-detox-proposal/25849/23?u=ezr3al
https://forum.arbitrum.foundation/t/rfc-incentives-detox-proposal/25849/22?u=larva
https://forum.arbitrum.foundation/t/rfc-incentives-detox-proposal/25849/21?u=blockworksresearch
https://forum.arbitrum.foundation/t/rfc-incentives-detox-proposal/25849/46?u=castlecapital
https://forum.arbitrum.foundation/t/rfc-incentives-detox-proposal/25849/44
https://forum.arbitrum.foundation/t/rfc-incentives-detox-proposal/25849/43?u=winverse
https://forum.arbitrum.foundation/t/rfc-incentives-detox-proposal/25849/31?u=0x_ultra
https://forum.arbitrum.foundation/t/rfc-incentives-detox-proposal/25849/41?u=griff
https://forum.arbitrum.foundation/t/rfc-incentives-detox-proposal/25849/4
We agree re. the need for a pause on incentive programs while we assess post-IP data yet are abstaining due to proposal concerns.
https://forum.arbitrum.foundation/t/rfc-incentives-detox-proposal/25849/39?u=alexlumley
https://forum.arbitrum.foundation/t/argonaut-delegate-communication-thread/24722/18?u=argonaut
https://forum.arbitrum.foundation/t/rfc-incentives-detox-proposal/25849/38?u=tane
https://forum.arbitrum.foundation/t/rfc-incentives-detox-proposal/25849/37?u=ocandocrypto
https://forum.arbitrum.foundation/t/rfc-incentives-detox-proposal/25849/35?u=camelot
https://forum.arbitrum.foundation/t/rfc-incentives-detox-proposal/25849/34?u=mcfly
"I support this proposal because it optimizes token distribution, helping to foster a healthy ecosystem and providing clear incentives for t
I agree in principle, but this is a social contract or informal agreement, and thus, I believe no formal vote is necessary.
https://forum.arbitrum.foundation/t/rfc-incentives-detox-proposal/25849/27?u=bruce
https://forum.arbitrum.foundation/t/rfc-incentives-detox-proposal/25849/24
https://forum.arbitrum.foundation/t/rfc-incentives-detox-proposal/25849/23?u=ezr3al
https://forum.arbitrum.foundation/t/rfc-incentives-detox-proposal/25849/22?u=larva
https://forum.arbitrum.foundation/t/rfc-incentives-detox-proposal/25849/21?u=blockworksresearch
Dear friend, I totally Agree with you :+1:
Lets praise arbitrum for creating a powerfull mission/vision!
"Making blockchain technology more inclusive and sustainable for everyone, in a secure way."
I also enjoyed the following post, is one of my favorite just in case you missed it :smiley:
STIP (~ Nov 2023 - Feb 2024), STIP.b (~ Dec 2023 - March 2024), and LTIPP (~June 3 - Aug 1 2024) have all now come to a close, distributing on the order of ~100M ARB to participants. A flurry of discussion and data analysis around these programs has been ongoing throughout the forum and key working group calls, including before, during, and after the campaigns.
STIP (~ Nov 2023 - Feb 2024), STIP.b (~ Dec 2023 - March 2024), and LTIPP (~June 3 - Aug 1 2024) have all now come to a close, distributing on the order of ~100M ARB to participants. A flurry of discussion and data analysis around these programs has been ongoing throughout the forum and key working group calls, including before, during, and after the campaigns.
Vending Machine has been reviewing the various discussions around the campaigns both here on the forum and during the weekly calls, and has gathered that one of the key goals of the DAO going forward for future campaigns is to define clear campaign objectives before the campaign begins, and outline the relevant KPIs to measure them. There has already been great work done in this vain, both during and just after STIP (for example here, here, here, here and here), as well as in and around the LTIPP (for example here and here).
The overall goal of this brief report is to summarise key findings across the comprehensive list of conducted research, and focus on the following:
Though it is not perfectly clear how long discussions were ongoing within the DAO surrounding a launch of an incentive campaign, a call for an Arbitrum Incentives Program Working Group was made in August 2023, stating the need for one because “…of the difficult challenge of balancing the urgent desire to fuel network growth via incentives with the equally important need for responsible delegate oversight and community consensus.” A general framework for what a campaign proposal should entail was given.
The associated AIP, the main launchpoint for STIP, was posted to the forum a month later. In this proposal, goals of the campaign were outlined as such:
A number of constraints on grantees were outlined, covering data requirements for grantees, contract disclosures, no DAO voting with grants, and general good behavior guidelines.
Additionally, it appears that there were some competing opinions within the DAO. Urgency for incentives was also stressed.
It seems Arbitrum DAO members and early working groups surrounding STIP were created around June-August of 2023, and with the finalized AIP being posted in September, it is reasonable to conclude that roughly 1-2 months of deliberation went into the designing of STIP.
There seems to be general consensus that both STIP.b and LTIPP were created in quite a quick fashion, due to pressures from various competing interests. Basing this also around forum discussion, it seems likely that around 1 month of deliberation went into the designing of these programs, perhaps more for LTIPP, though both were created and influenced heavily by STIP’s design.
LTIPP had roughly 1-2 months of public filtering/iteration on the design (with perhaps more privately), with many more months of deliberation and protocol discussion/voting in the forum. A number of temperature check snapshot votes happened during this period as designs were iterated on.
In LTIPP applications, clear grant objectives and KPIs were required from protocols, which is closer to a bottom up approach. Many of the outlined objectives coincided with LTIPP’s higher level outlined goals, which included:
The total rewards for the campaigns were outlined in forum posts and discussed between participants. They were then approved and iterated on through snapshot votes. The consensus among forum discussion participants originally was that 75M ARB was too much for STIP.
Here it is argued 75M was necessary, and protocols were involved in this recommendation as were delegates. A comparison to Optimism’s spend was given. It is unclear whether there was a strong cap or not, but it was stated “delegates will decide whether an amount is excessive given the scope.”
Eventually, after much discussion in the forum, a Snapshot temperature check included 3 budget options, 25M, 50M, 75M. Ultimately, 50M was decided on through Snapshot. A similar vote on incentive size was conducted for LTIPP.
The operational management and difficulties faced throughout these campaigns have been discussed and outlined extensively as pointed out in the introduction. LTIPP made large strides in a positive direction here, with the introduction of smaller more focused delegate committees, and there have also already been large strides in to how the organizational structure should look in the future. As a rough high level summary, the timeline of the operational flow and various working groups and their responsibilities were as follows:
Data monitoring, and ensuring funds were being used appropriately, was an explicit priority across all campaigns. Based on discussions in the forum, it was clear many delegates felt overwhelmed by all the responsibility here. Reviewing hundreds of applications and keeping track of nearly just as many protocols quickly became unfeasible.
OpenBlock proposed the framework and to take on responsibility for STIP data monitoring. Throughout STIP, dashboards and bi-weekly updates were provided by OpenBlock. Bi-weekly updates from protocols and final reports from some could be found as well. The same was true for STIP.b.
For LTIPP, protocols were given OBL’s Onboarding Checklist, and protocols were required to comply for the entire life of the program and three months following. Arbgrants was spun up to facilitate this process and to lighten the operational burden that was occurring due to extremely overworked delegates, and to de-clutter the forums. Powerhouse seemed to be the main company behind this development.
Given the objectives outlined in the launching of the STIP and LTIPP campaigns, we can compare the analysis generated by OpenBlock, Blockworks (ARDC), Lampos, and others against these objectives, to see if and how well they were obtained.
Recall, the stated objectives for STIP were:
and the stated objectives for LTIPP were:
1. Support Network Growth (not achieved)
According to ARDC’s “STIP Analysis of Operations and Incentive Mechanisms” report:
“Overall, during the STIP, Arbitrum’s market share growth across major blockchains peaked at ~0% for TVL, ~5% for spot volume, ~12% for perp volume, and ~0% for loans outstanding. The market shares are currently at around September 2023 values, except for TVL, which is down from ~6% to ~4%.”


2. Experiment with Incentive Grants (achieved)
From OpenBlock’s STIP Incentive Efficacy Analysis: 30 protocols were allocated a share of 50 million ARB tokens.
3. Find new models for grants and developer support that generate maximum activity on the Arbitrum network (not achieved)
Though experimental data was generated, based on the variety of post-incentive campaign discussion from Tnorm and others posted on the forum, it is clear that the models used for the STIP campaign were in need of an upgrade.
It can be argued however, that in moving from STIP to LTIPP, new models for grants and developer support were experimented with. However, STIP, STIP.b, and LTIPP all did employ roughly the same template of handing out incentives to protocols.
4. Create Incentive Data (achieved)
This goal was clearly achieved, given the wealth of post-campaign analysis, including dashboards, more formal research reports, and community/forum discussion.
The findings here are picked from Team Lampros Labs DAO LTIPP Report and Open Block’s LTIPP Efficacy Analysis reports.
1. User Engagement (mixed)
Summarizing the report from Team Lampros Labs: The Long-Term Incentive Pilot Program (LTIPP) on Arbitrum had varying impacts on user engagement across sectors, with the "Quests" sector showing the highest growth in Daily Active Users (DAU). Proprietary incentives were the most successful in driving TVL and engagement, particularly in "Options" and "Oracles." However, other sectors like "Perpetual" and "Stables/Synthetics" saw limited growth or declines, highlighting the need for more targeted strategies. A significant portion of ARB rewards (47.8%) was used for selling tokens, with other actions like liquidity provision and lending following behind. Unintended behaviors, such as circular transactions and holding rewards without further action, also undermined the program’s effectiveness. Furthermore, users who participated across multiple protocols for short-term rewards, had low governance involvement, which poses challenges for long-term engagement.
Though user engagement post-campaign was not an explicit goal, by looking at many of the graphs in Open Block’s LTIPP Efficacy Analysis, it is clear most metrics have fallen upon program competition, including a lot of capital outflows (except, interestingly, for stablecoins).
2. Value Generation (mixed)
At the start, this objective seems poorly defined. Assuming value generation corresponds to sequencer fees, we can say that the program increased this revenue during the campaign, but now, post campaign, it has fallen to levels below the start of the campaign. It is also unclear whether this additional revenue was simply due to other market factors and unclear whether it can be attributed to LTIPP directly.
Many of the data reports did not explicitly analyze “value generation”, potentially because of its lack of clear definition. Interpreting it as sequencer fee generation, reports tended to not include data in this regard. From Artemis and Token Terminal:


3. Protocol Growth (mixed)
Incentivized DEXs showed superior growth in TVL and fees during LTIPP, exceeding expectations based on TVL and fees on other networks. Yield protocols also saw boosts during the campaign.
However, after the campaign finished, the majority of all relevant protocol growth metrics have fallen.
There were some protocols that seemed to maintain their growth, such as Compound. However, this is mainly because protocols were onboarded due to the LTIPP campaign, and would have had zero growth without the campaign (because they would have never been onboarded).
Therefore, the network objectives and whether they were achieved or not can be summarized in the following table:
| Objective | Achieved/Not Achieved |
|---|---|
| Support Network Growth (STIP) | ❌ |
| Experiment with Incentive Grants (STIP) | ✔️ |
| Find new models for grants and developer support that generate maximum activity on the Arbitrum network (STIP) | ❌ |
| Create Incentive Data (STIP) | ✔️ |
| User engagement (LTIPP) | mixed |
| Value generation (LTIPP) | mixed |
| Protocol growth (LTIPP) | mixed |

(from Arbitrum Incentives Retrospective Presentation)
It is clear from forum discussion, the mixed results of the stated campaign objectives, the lack of standardization around post campaign analyses, and the drop off of KPIs post-campaign, that the stated network objectives may have been misguided.
Going forward, it is clear that more time and effort spent on the development of campaign incentive goals will be needed. As has been observed, the campaign incentive goals shape the campaign design, which shape user behavior, and ultimately, shape the impact of these campaigns on the ecosystem as a whole.
Additionally, with more time and effort spent on developing incentive campaign goals, analyzing their success both during and after the campaign will be easier for the associated research labs. This will allow the Arbitrum DAO, key working groups, and delegates to analyze the success of the campaign more effectively.
Vending Machine was not directly involved in the STIP or LTIPP. The analysis presented is based off of the current public reports - if something in this summary report is inaccurate or misrepresented, we invite the community to reach out so we can update this post and improve its accuracy.
STIP.b original program outline
LTIPP original program outline
Proposal to Improve Future Incentive Programs - teddy-notional
Discussion: Reframing Incentives on Arbitrum
Serious People: Proposed KPIs for Arbitrum Grant Programs (LTIPP)
A New Thesis for Network-Level Incentives Programs
Learnings from STIP: Community Interview Summaries and Notes
[RFC] Thoughts on the End-Game Perpetual Incentives Program
Memories of a (grantor) cow: thoughts about incentives program and what could be next
OpenBlock Labs STIP Efficacy + Sybil Analysis (2/24)
OpenBlock’s STIP Incentive Efficacy Analysis
OpenBlock Arbitrum LTIPP Efficacy Analysis
STIP Analysis of Operations and Incentive Mechanisms
Team Lampros Labs DAO - LTIPP Research Bounty Reports
Arbitrum Incentives Program - Working Group
Tnorm reply on original STIP proposal
Comparison to Optimism’s Incentive Spend
Dear friend, I totally Agree with you :+1:
Lets praise arbitrum for creating a powerfull mission/vision!
"Making blockchain technology more inclusive and sustainable for everyone, in a secure way."
I also enjoyed the following post, is one of my favorite just in case you missed it :smiley:
STIP (~ Nov 2023 - Feb 2024), STIP.b (~ Dec 2023 - March 2024), and LTIPP (~June 3 - Aug 1 2024) have all now come to a close, distributing on the order of ~100M ARB to participants. A flurry of discussion and data analysis around these programs has been ongoing throughout the forum and key working group calls, including before, during, and after the campaigns.
STIP (~ Nov 2023 - Feb 2024), STIP.b (~ Dec 2023 - March 2024), and LTIPP (~June 3 - Aug 1 2024) have all now come to a close, distributing on the order of ~100M ARB to participants. A flurry of discussion and data analysis around these programs has been ongoing throughout the forum and key working group calls, including before, during, and after the campaigns.
Vending Machine has been reviewing the various discussions around the campaigns both here on the forum and during the weekly calls, and has gathered that one of the key goals of the DAO going forward for future campaigns is to define clear campaign objectives before the campaign begins, and outline the relevant KPIs to measure them. There has already been great work done in this vain, both during and just after STIP (for example here, here, here, here and here), as well as in and around the LTIPP (for example here and here).
The overall goal of this brief report is to summarise key findings across the comprehensive list of conducted research, and focus on the following:
Though it is not perfectly clear how long discussions were ongoing within the DAO surrounding a launch of an incentive campaign, a call for an Arbitrum Incentives Program Working Group was made in August 2023, stating the need for one because “…of the difficult challenge of balancing the urgent desire to fuel network growth via incentives with the equally important need for responsible delegate oversight and community consensus.” A general framework for what a campaign proposal should entail was given.
The associated AIP, the main launchpoint for STIP, was posted to the forum a month later. In this proposal, goals of the campaign were outlined as such:
A number of constraints on grantees were outlined, covering data requirements for grantees, contract disclosures, no DAO voting with grants, and general good behavior guidelines.
Additionally, it appears that there were some competing opinions within the DAO. Urgency for incentives was also stressed.
It seems Arbitrum DAO members and early working groups surrounding STIP were created around June-August of 2023, and with the finalized AIP being posted in September, it is reasonable to conclude that roughly 1-2 months of deliberation went into the designing of STIP.
There seems to be general consensus that both STIP.b and LTIPP were created in quite a quick fashion, due to pressures from various competing interests. Basing this also around forum discussion, it seems likely that around 1 month of deliberation went into the designing of these programs, perhaps more for LTIPP, though both were created and influenced heavily by STIP’s design.
LTIPP had roughly 1-2 months of public filtering/iteration on the design (with perhaps more privately), with many more months of deliberation and protocol discussion/voting in the forum. A number of temperature check snapshot votes happened during this period as designs were iterated on.
In LTIPP applications, clear grant objectives and KPIs were required from protocols, which is closer to a bottom up approach. Many of the outlined objectives coincided with LTIPP’s higher level outlined goals, which included:
The total rewards for the campaigns were outlined in forum posts and discussed between participants. They were then approved and iterated on through snapshot votes. The consensus among forum discussion participants originally was that 75M ARB was too much for STIP.
Here it is argued 75M was necessary, and protocols were involved in this recommendation as were delegates. A comparison to Optimism’s spend was given. It is unclear whether there was a strong cap or not, but it was stated “delegates will decide whether an amount is excessive given the scope.”
Eventually, after much discussion in the forum, a Snapshot temperature check included 3 budget options, 25M, 50M, 75M. Ultimately, 50M was decided on through Snapshot. A similar vote on incentive size was conducted for LTIPP.
The operational management and difficulties faced throughout these campaigns have been discussed and outlined extensively as pointed out in the introduction. LTIPP made large strides in a positive direction here, with the introduction of smaller more focused delegate committees, and there have also already been large strides in to how the organizational structure should look in the future. As a rough high level summary, the timeline of the operational flow and various working groups and their responsibilities were as follows:
Data monitoring, and ensuring funds were being used appropriately, was an explicit priority across all campaigns. Based on discussions in the forum, it was clear many delegates felt overwhelmed by all the responsibility here. Reviewing hundreds of applications and keeping track of nearly just as many protocols quickly became unfeasible.
OpenBlock proposed the framework and to take on responsibility for STIP data monitoring. Throughout STIP, dashboards and bi-weekly updates were provided by OpenBlock. Bi-weekly updates from protocols and final reports from some could be found as well. The same was true for STIP.b.
For LTIPP, protocols were given OBL’s Onboarding Checklist, and protocols were required to comply for the entire life of the program and three months following. Arbgrants was spun up to facilitate this process and to lighten the operational burden that was occurring due to extremely overworked delegates, and to de-clutter the forums. Powerhouse seemed to be the main company behind this development.
Given the objectives outlined in the launching of the STIP and LTIPP campaigns, we can compare the analysis generated by OpenBlock, Blockworks (ARDC), Lampos, and others against these objectives, to see if and how well they were obtained.
Recall, the stated objectives for STIP were:
and the stated objectives for LTIPP were:
1. Support Network Growth (not achieved)
According to ARDC’s “STIP Analysis of Operations and Incentive Mechanisms” report:
“Overall, during the STIP, Arbitrum’s market share growth across major blockchains peaked at ~0% for TVL, ~5% for spot volume, ~12% for perp volume, and ~0% for loans outstanding. The market shares are currently at around September 2023 values, except for TVL, which is down from ~6% to ~4%.”


2. Experiment with Incentive Grants (achieved)
From OpenBlock’s STIP Incentive Efficacy Analysis: 30 protocols were allocated a share of 50 million ARB tokens.
3. Find new models for grants and developer support that generate maximum activity on the Arbitrum network (not achieved)
Though experimental data was generated, based on the variety of post-incentive campaign discussion from Tnorm and others posted on the forum, it is clear that the models used for the STIP campaign were in need of an upgrade.
It can be argued however, that in moving from STIP to LTIPP, new models for grants and developer support were experimented with. However, STIP, STIP.b, and LTIPP all did employ roughly the same template of handing out incentives to protocols.
4. Create Incentive Data (achieved)
This goal was clearly achieved, given the wealth of post-campaign analysis, including dashboards, more formal research reports, and community/forum discussion.
The findings here are picked from Team Lampros Labs DAO LTIPP Report and Open Block’s LTIPP Efficacy Analysis reports.
1. User Engagement (mixed)
Summarizing the report from Team Lampros Labs: The Long-Term Incentive Pilot Program (LTIPP) on Arbitrum had varying impacts on user engagement across sectors, with the "Quests" sector showing the highest growth in Daily Active Users (DAU). Proprietary incentives were the most successful in driving TVL and engagement, particularly in "Options" and "Oracles." However, other sectors like "Perpetual" and "Stables/Synthetics" saw limited growth or declines, highlighting the need for more targeted strategies. A significant portion of ARB rewards (47.8%) was used for selling tokens, with other actions like liquidity provision and lending following behind. Unintended behaviors, such as circular transactions and holding rewards without further action, also undermined the program’s effectiveness. Furthermore, users who participated across multiple protocols for short-term rewards, had low governance involvement, which poses challenges for long-term engagement.
Though user engagement post-campaign was not an explicit goal, by looking at many of the graphs in Open Block’s LTIPP Efficacy Analysis, it is clear most metrics have fallen upon program competition, including a lot of capital outflows (except, interestingly, for stablecoins).
2. Value Generation (mixed)
At the start, this objective seems poorly defined. Assuming value generation corresponds to sequencer fees, we can say that the program increased this revenue during the campaign, but now, post campaign, it has fallen to levels below the start of the campaign. It is also unclear whether this additional revenue was simply due to other market factors and unclear whether it can be attributed to LTIPP directly.
Many of the data reports did not explicitly analyze “value generation”, potentially because of its lack of clear definition. Interpreting it as sequencer fee generation, reports tended to not include data in this regard. From Artemis and Token Terminal:


3. Protocol Growth (mixed)
Incentivized DEXs showed superior growth in TVL and fees during LTIPP, exceeding expectations based on TVL and fees on other networks. Yield protocols also saw boosts during the campaign.
However, after the campaign finished, the majority of all relevant protocol growth metrics have fallen.
There were some protocols that seemed to maintain their growth, such as Compound. However, this is mainly because protocols were onboarded due to the LTIPP campaign, and would have had zero growth without the campaign (because they would have never been onboarded).
Therefore, the network objectives and whether they were achieved or not can be summarized in the following table:
| Objective | Achieved/Not Achieved |
|---|---|
| Support Network Growth (STIP) | ❌ |
| Experiment with Incentive Grants (STIP) | ✔️ |
| Find new models for grants and developer support that generate maximum activity on the Arbitrum network (STIP) | ❌ |
| Create Incentive Data (STIP) | ✔️ |
| User engagement (LTIPP) | mixed |
| Value generation (LTIPP) | mixed |
| Protocol growth (LTIPP) | mixed |

(from Arbitrum Incentives Retrospective Presentation)
It is clear from forum discussion, the mixed results of the stated campaign objectives, the lack of standardization around post campaign analyses, and the drop off of KPIs post-campaign, that the stated network objectives may have been misguided.
Going forward, it is clear that more time and effort spent on the development of campaign incentive goals will be needed. As has been observed, the campaign incentive goals shape the campaign design, which shape user behavior, and ultimately, shape the impact of these campaigns on the ecosystem as a whole.
Additionally, with more time and effort spent on developing incentive campaign goals, analyzing their success both during and after the campaign will be easier for the associated research labs. This will allow the Arbitrum DAO, key working groups, and delegates to analyze the success of the campaign more effectively.
Vending Machine was not directly involved in the STIP or LTIPP. The analysis presented is based off of the current public reports - if something in this summary report is inaccurate or misrepresented, we invite the community to reach out so we can update this post and improve its accuracy.
STIP.b original program outline
LTIPP original program outline
Proposal to Improve Future Incentive Programs - teddy-notional
Discussion: Reframing Incentives on Arbitrum
Serious People: Proposed KPIs for Arbitrum Grant Programs (LTIPP)
A New Thesis for Network-Level Incentives Programs
Learnings from STIP: Community Interview Summaries and Notes
[RFC] Thoughts on the End-Game Perpetual Incentives Program
Memories of a (grantor) cow: thoughts about incentives program and what could be next
OpenBlock Labs STIP Efficacy + Sybil Analysis (2/24)
OpenBlock’s STIP Incentive Efficacy Analysis
OpenBlock Arbitrum LTIPP Efficacy Analysis
STIP Analysis of Operations and Incentive Mechanisms
Team Lampros Labs DAO - LTIPP Research Bounty Reports
Arbitrum Incentives Program - Working Group
Tnorm reply on original STIP proposal
Comparison to Optimism’s Incentive Spend
A well thought out and mission driven incentive program is always important. Thanks @Sinkas @krst L2BEAT's team for taking the initiative.
Voted for this proposal.
Reason: The initiative learnings and impact measurable viz a viz the initial proposal is must to take decision on what we started with, where we are, what is the impact and is it on the path of vision and goal.
A well thought out and mission driven incentive program is always important. Thanks @Sinkas @krst L2BEAT's team for taking the initiative.
Voted for this proposal.
Reason: The initiative learnings and impact measurable viz a viz the initial proposal is must to take decision on what we started with, where we are, what is the impact and is it on the path of vision and goal.
very needed, there hasn't been much progress since the first incentives if we are critical - the effectiveness of the distributions are the same and there has not been a real effort to understand what worked and what didn't.
from what i can see, there have been several protocols that have extracted value through these incentives and yet there has been no accountability for this?
very needed, there hasn't been much progress since the first incentives if we are critical - the effectiveness of the distributions are the same and there has not been a real effort to understand what worked and what didn't.
from what i can see, there have been several protocols that have extracted value through these incentives and yet there has been no accountability for this?
there is negative value in moving forward with more incentives until we understand what actually worked and how to make a better programme.
Hey everyone,
I understand that my perspective may differ from the majority here, but I think it’s crucial to consider the potential consequences of halting incentives abruptly on the broader Arbitrum ecosystem.
Hey everyone,
I understand that my perspective may differ from the majority here, but I think it’s crucial to consider the potential consequences of halting incentives abruptly on the broader Arbitrum ecosystem.
The protocol I represent recently received a grant from the Foundation to build on Arbitrum. This was a significant achievement for us, and we’re excited to contribute to the ecosystem. However, without any ARB incentives to distribute, we’ll face considerable challenges in competing with incumbent protocols that currently offer over 32k ARB/month in incentives.
In light of this, I believe the approach suggested by @CastleCapital could be a more balanced solution, particularly for newcomers striving to bring their DeFi applications to the chain.
No Hard Deadlines on Detox: We recommend against imposing strict deadlines for the detox process. Instead, let’s focus on thorough analysis and strategic planning to guide our next steps effectively.
I’m a strong supporter of what Arbitrum is building and have spent months working closely with the Foundation to articulate our vision. My concern is that the current proposal, if implemented, might inadvertently hinder new builders from thriving, thereby impacting the long-term diversity and innovation within the chain.
I believe we should aim to create a fair and supportive environment for all projects, new and existing, and I hope we can find a compromise that ensures this.
very needed, there hasn't been much progress since the first incentives if we are critical - the effectiveness of the distributions are the same and there has not been a real effort to understand what worked and what didn't.
from what i can see, there have been several protocols that have extracted value through these incentives and yet there has been no accountability for this?
very needed, there hasn't been much progress since the first incentives if we are critical - the effectiveness of the distributions are the same and there has not been a real effort to understand what worked and what didn't.
from what i can see, there have been several protocols that have extracted value through these incentives and yet there has been no accountability for this?
there is negative value in moving forward with more incentives until we understand what actually worked and how to make a better programme.
Hey everyone,
I understand that my perspective may differ from the majority here, but I think it’s crucial to consider the potential consequences of halting incentives abruptly on the broader Arbitrum ecosystem.
Hey everyone,
I understand that my perspective may differ from the majority here, but I think it’s crucial to consider the potential consequences of halting incentives abruptly on the broader Arbitrum ecosystem.
The protocol I represent recently received a grant from the Foundation to build on Arbitrum. This was a significant achievement for us, and we’re excited to contribute to the ecosystem. However, without any ARB incentives to distribute, we’ll face considerable challenges in competing with incumbent protocols that currently offer over 32k ARB/month in incentives.
In light of this, I believe the approach suggested by @CastleCapital could be a more balanced solution, particularly for newcomers striving to bring their DeFi applications to the chain.
No Hard Deadlines on Detox: We recommend against imposing strict deadlines for the detox process. Instead, let’s focus on thorough analysis and strategic planning to guide our next steps effectively.
I’m a strong supporter of what Arbitrum is building and have spent months working closely with the Foundation to articulate our vision. My concern is that the current proposal, if implemented, might inadvertently hinder new builders from thriving, thereby impacting the long-term diversity and innovation within the chain.
I believe we should aim to create a fair and supportive environment for all projects, new and existing, and I hope we can find a compromise that ensures this.
Excellent point, @Sinkas. I have been participating in the Cartographers Syndicate, a community of individuals and teams dedicated to advancing the Web3 grants ecosystem, and I've started research on the first phase of Arbitrum grants. From my analysis, I can see that more than 180k USD was spent on unfinished projects, among other inputs like:

Excellent point, @Sinkas. I have been participating in the Cartographers Syndicate, a community of individuals and teams dedicated to advancing the Web3 grants ecosystem, and I've started research on the first phase of Arbitrum grants. From my analysis, I can see that more than 180k USD was spent on unfinished projects, among other inputs like:

Of course, the contexts are different, and sometimes the teams themselves realize that it no longer makes sense to continue with the project and ask for more resources. In other words, this doesn't show a failure of the reviewers and supporters, but rather a failure of the grant mechanisms in general.
I vote FOR this proposal, as I believe that a better-structured grant framework can indeed contribute to the growth of the ecosystem and generate impact through the DAO treasury.
Excellent point, @Sinkas. I have been participating in the Cartographers Syndicate, a community of individuals and teams dedicated to advancing the Web3 grants ecosystem, and I've started research on the first phase of Arbitrum grants. From my analysis, I can see that more than 180k USD was spent on unfinished projects, among other inputs like:

Excellent point, @Sinkas. I have been participating in the Cartographers Syndicate, a community of individuals and teams dedicated to advancing the Web3 grants ecosystem, and I've started research on the first phase of Arbitrum grants. From my analysis, I can see that more than 180k USD was spent on unfinished projects, among other inputs like:

Of course, the contexts are different, and sometimes the teams themselves realize that it no longer makes sense to continue with the project and ask for more resources. In other words, this doesn't show a failure of the reviewers and supporters, but rather a failure of the grant mechanisms in general.
I vote FOR this proposal, as I believe that a better-structured grant framework can indeed contribute to the growth of the ecosystem and generate impact through the DAO treasury.
Arbitrum is a good project and I find that the teams working on this project manage aspects of this type well. This project remains one of the best for creating and establishing a community. For me technically it surpasses many others. The Arbitrum teams manage loyalty very well through token distribution and decentralization programs. This project remains one of my 3 favorites!
Arbitrum is a good project and I find that the teams working on this project manage aspects of this type well. This project remains one of the best for creating and establishing a community. For me technically it surpasses many others. The Arbitrum teams manage loyalty very well through token distribution and decentralization programs. This project remains one of my 3 favorites!
Just a few questions:
Is there a current breakdown of all of the incentives programs being provided or that have been provided that have not been reviewed? Where can that be found if there is such a list?
Are there any current review process in place to determine the success/opportunities of the reward programs?
Just a few questions:
Is there a current breakdown of all of the incentives programs being provided or that have been provided that have not been reviewed? Where can that be found if there is such a list?
Are there any current review process in place to determine the success/opportunities of the reward programs?
What are the standards for approval that are in place for each program (if they are different)?
What is the measure of success and how does that relate to the disbursement of rewards?
Thanks!
Hey, thanks for putting this proposal together.
Quick clarification, in the context of the detox, do we mean that this proposal includes any additional non-constitutional incentive proposal that may be posted during the period + the renewal of existing ones?
Just a few questions:
Is there a current breakdown of all of the incentives programs being provided or that have been provided that have not been reviewed? Where can that be found if there is such a list?
Are there any current review process in place to determine the success/opportunities of the reward programs?
Just a few questions:
Is there a current breakdown of all of the incentives programs being provided or that have been provided that have not been reviewed? Where can that be found if there is such a list?
Are there any current review process in place to determine the success/opportunities of the reward programs?
What are the standards for approval that are in place for each program (if they are different)?
What is the measure of success and how does that relate to the disbursement of rewards?
Thanks!
Hey, thanks for putting this proposal together.
Quick clarification, in the context of the detox, do we mean that this proposal includes any additional non-constitutional incentive proposal that may be posted during the period + the renewal of existing ones?
Would this be the call on the 18th? Was that recorded?
Would this be the call on the 18th? Was that recorded?
Gm Arbinauts! :sunny:
The results are in for the https://dhive.io/proposal/648 proposal.
See how the community voted and more Arbitrum stats on ⬡ Dhive.Io .
Gm Arbinauts! :sunny:
The results are in for the https://dhive.io/proposal/648 proposal.
See how the community voted and more Arbitrum stats on ⬡ Dhive.Io .
We find this proposal to be a well-crafted and strategically important initiative for the Arbitrum ecosystem. It represents a thouhtful approach to how incentive programs are approached, emphasizing the need for analysis and data-driven decision-making.
By devoting more time and resources to analyze past performance and the outcomes garnered, Arbitrum can adopt a more empirical approach to incentive design. This shift towards data-driven strategies is important for the ecosystem's long-term sustainability and efficiency. The proposed pause and reflection period hence promotes a more sustainable growth model, allowing for the identification of inefficiencies in previous programs and the opportunity to optimize resource allocation in future initiatives.
We find this proposal to be a well-crafted and strategically important initiative for the Arbitrum ecosystem. It represents a thouhtful approach to how incentive programs are approached, emphasizing the need for analysis and data-driven decision-making.
By devoting more time and resources to analyze past performance and the outcomes garnered, Arbitrum can adopt a more empirical approach to incentive design. This shift towards data-driven strategies is important for the ecosystem's long-term sustainability and efficiency. The proposed pause and reflection period hence promotes a more sustainable growth model, allowing for the identification of inefficiencies in previous programs and the opportunity to optimize resource allocation in future initiatives.
While the proposed 3-month pause may raise concerns about short-term growth, we believe the long-term benefits of this approach far outweigh any potential temporary slowdown. The insights gained and the improved strategies developed during this period have the potential to catalyze more sustainable and efficient growth in the future.
A more thoughtful approach to incentive design has the potential to improve the retention of both users and liquidity post-incentives, which we deem to be a critical factor for long-term ecosystem health and sustainability, and potentially a meaningful differentiatior.
Overall, we find this proposal to represent a mature, forward-thinking approach to ecosystem development. It effectievely balances the need for continued growth and the importance of strategic planning and efficient resource allocation.
We find this proposal to be a well-crafted and strategically important initiative for the Arbitrum ecosystem. It represents a thouhtful approach to how incentive programs are approached, emphasizing the need for analysis and data-driven decision-making.
By devoting more time and resources to analyze past performance and the outcomes garnered, Arbitrum can adopt a more empirical approach to incentive design. This shift towards data-driven strategies is important for the ecosystem's long-term sustainability and efficiency. The proposed pause and reflection period hence promotes a more sustainable growth model, allowing for the identification of inefficiencies in previous programs and the opportunity to optimize resource allocation in future initiatives.
We find this proposal to be a well-crafted and strategically important initiative for the Arbitrum ecosystem. It represents a thouhtful approach to how incentive programs are approached, emphasizing the need for analysis and data-driven decision-making.
By devoting more time and resources to analyze past performance and the outcomes garnered, Arbitrum can adopt a more empirical approach to incentive design. This shift towards data-driven strategies is important for the ecosystem's long-term sustainability and efficiency. The proposed pause and reflection period hence promotes a more sustainable growth model, allowing for the identification of inefficiencies in previous programs and the opportunity to optimize resource allocation in future initiatives.
While the proposed 3-month pause may raise concerns about short-term growth, we believe the long-term benefits of this approach far outweigh any potential temporary slowdown. The insights gained and the improved strategies developed during this period have the potential to catalyze more sustainable and efficient growth in the future.
A more thoughtful approach to incentive design has the potential to improve the retention of both users and liquidity post-incentives, which we deem to be a critical factor for long-term ecosystem health and sustainability, and potentially a meaningful differentiatior.
Overall, we find this proposal to represent a mature, forward-thinking approach to ecosystem development. It effectievely balances the need for continued growth and the importance of strategic planning and efficient resource allocation.
Hey @paulofonseca, the other two are IOSG and Merkl/Jumper (they've been both presenting their ideas during our calls).
For the 12th call, we had Matt from Entropy Advisors present their DeFi Renaissance Incentive Program (DRIP).
Recording - Liquidity Incentives Call #12 (18.12.2024) Transcript - Liquidity Incentives Call #12 (18.12.2024) Chat Log - Liquidity Incentives Call #12 (18.12.2024)
The feedback and communication on this proposal have been excellent and eye-opening. Thank you for your proposal; I have learned a lot from it, and I appreciate your attention to these matters.
The proposal is very comprehensive, with a clear and direct direction. I believe there is no need to establish a new working group. Instead, efforts should focus on leveraging ARDC’s research results to optimize the existing framework. At the same time, innovative incentive methods and a shared funding mechanism should be introduced to maintain a competitive edge.
The feedback and communication on this proposal have been excellent and eye-opening. Thank you for your proposal; I have learned a lot from it, and I appreciate your attention to these matters.
The proposal is very comprehensive, with a clear and direct direction. I believe there is no need to establish a new working group. Instead, efforts should focus on leveraging ARDC’s research results to optimize the existing framework. At the same time, innovative incentive methods and a shared funding mechanism should be introduced to maintain a competitive edge.
ARDC has already conducted extensive research and discussions, and directly utilizing their existing outcomes would be more efficient. Creating a new working group could lead to resource fragmentation and reduced efficiency. It would be better to concentrate efforts on refining ARDC’s existing work.
The previous incentive model, where the DAO entirely subsidized projects, posed high risks and led to resource wastage. Future incentive plans should incorporate a “shared funding mechanism,” requiring protocols to contribute part of the capital to increase their responsibility for project success.
Arbitrum should consider diversifying its incentive approaches, not limiting itself to liquidity incentives, but also exploring innovative methods such as account abstraction and point systems to attract users. Permanent incentive plans should not only focus on user acquisition but also on the long-term value of ArbitrumDAO, including protocol revenue, ecosystem user retention, and the genuine contributions of ecosystem participants to the network.
Future incentive plans should require protocols to contribute a portion of the capital, such as in STIP’s funding ratio, to avoid having the DAO fully bear the costs and to enhance the sustainability of the incentive programs.
For the 11th call, we Momir from IOSG discuss their recent proposal and we also had and Sov from OpenSourceObserver..
Recording - Liquidity Incentives Call #11 (11.12.2024) Transcript - Liquidity Incentives Call #11 (11.12.2024) Chat Log - Liquidity Incentives Call #11 (11.12.2024)
For the 10th call, we had Kamil from patterns.build talk about how they would see the future incentive programs utilizing their platform for measuring impact.
Recording - Liquidity Incentives Call #10 (27.11.2024) Transcript - Liquidity Incentives Call #10 (27.11.2024) Chat Log - Liquidity Incentives Call #10 (27.11.2024)
TL;DR
Incentives detox is officially over. We now invite people that have been working on proposal for incentive programs to come forward and propose them to the DAO. We have compiled a list of useful input from the past 14 calls of the ‘Liquidity Incentives Working Group’ that proposal authors are encouraged to incorporate in their design.
TL;DR
Incentives detox is officially over. We now invite people that have been working on proposal for incentive programs to come forward and propose them to the DAO. We have compiled a list of useful input from the past 14 calls of the ‘Liquidity Incentives Working Group’ that proposal authors are encouraged to incorporate in their design.
This post officially marks the end of the ‘Incentives Detox’ proposal and the period of holding back from trying to implement an incentives program in Arbitrum. From today onward, we encourage individuals, teams, or organizations that want to propose an incentive program design to do so in the forum.
There are already a few proposals being worked on that have been presented and discussed in past calls of the incentives working group. Moving forward, we think that ETH Denver is a good deadline to aim for in terms of being in a position as a DAO to announce the new program. To do so, we need to utilize the next few weeks to make headway in narrowing down the program we want to implement.
To help facilitate the process of incorporating feedback from all participants of the working group over the past 14 calls, we’ve fed the transcripts of the calls into ChatGPT and created a list of suggestions that have been brought up. We then filtered the suggestions to remove duplicate ones and then proceeded to group them together under common themes.
Here’s what we came up with:
what were the 4 service providers that L2Beat is working with to help craft proposals, that @krst mentioned in the call?
even rewatching the recording I can only identify patterns.build by @kamilgorski and I think DRIP by @Entropy but not the other 2.
could you clarify?
For the 13th call, we had Jumper Exchange and Merkl present their proposal for an incentive program.
Recording - Liquidity Incentives Call #13 (15.1.2024) Transcript - Liquidity Incentives Call #13 (15.1.2024) Chat Log - Liquidity Incentives Call #13 (15.1.2024)
For the 13th call, we had Jumper Exchange and Merkl present their proposal for an incentive program.
Recording - Liquidity Incentives Call #13 (15.1.2024) Transcript - Liquidity Incentives Call #13 (15.1.2024) Chat Log - Liquidity Incentives Call #13 (15.1.2024)
The 14th call marked the official end of the detox period and the incentives working group we've been facilitating over the past few weeks. Going forward, anyone is welcome -encouraged, even- to propose a new incentive program for Arbitrum, taking into account all the things we've learned over the past 13 calls.
Recording - Liquidity Incentives Call #14 (23.1.2024) Transcript - Liquidity Incentives Call #14 (23.1.2024) Chat Log - Liquidity Incentives Call #14 (23.1.2024)
For the 9th call, we had Vending Machine and Boost offer their insights on incentives programs.
Recording - Liquidity Incentives Call #9 (30.10.2024) Transcript - Liquidity Incentives Call #9 (30.10.2024) Chat Log - Liquidity Incentives Call #9 (30.10.2024)
Last week, the call took place but in a more informal setting as nothing was planned due to people returning from Devcon.
This is excellent analysis and I highly appreciate your input to the working group call this week! I hope to see you all lead a workstream as suggested here. Please do reach out for proposal review or feedback early in the process.
For the 8th call, we had Powerhouse, GMX, and Camelot talk about their experience with and perspective on incentives.
Recording - Liquidity Incentives Call #8 (16.10.2024) Transcript - Liquidity Incentives Call #8 (16.10.2024) Chat Log - Liquidity Incentives Call #8 (16.10.2024)
The things that were discussed were:
Apologies for the delay on posting the last 2 recordings. Publishing them in a batch in this comment.
Below is the recording of the sixth and seventh call, the calls’ transcripts, and the chat logs. You will also find notes on the topics/questions we discussed in each call and a summary of the views expressed.
Below is the recording of the fifth call, the call’s transcript, and the chat log. In the fifth call, we had OpenBlock's Labs present the dashboards they have created to track incentives.
Recording - Liquidity Incentives Call #5 (25.9.2024) Transcript - Liquidity Incentives Call #5 (25.9.2024) Chat Log - Liquidity Incentives Call #5 (25.9.2024)
Below is the recording of the third call, the call’s transcript, and the chat log. You will also find notes on the topics/questions we discussed and a summary of the views expressed. In the fourth call, we had Tnorm, the man who spearheaded STIP, present his views and learnings.
Recording - Liquidity Incentives Call #4 (11.9.2024) Transcript - Liquidity Incentives Call #4 (11.9.2024) Chat Log - Liquidity Incentives Call #4 (11.9.2024)
@paulofonseca Yeah, here is the presentation https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1tTXRJT3lKUsyakf1qYckcEROBSS9vroXA7N4ePTo1ic/edit?usp=sharing
@Matt_StableLab would you be ok to share the presentation file, that you presented on this call last week?
Below is the recording of the third call, the call’s transcript, and the chat log. You will also find notes on the topics/questions we discussed and a summary of the views expressed. In the third call, we had Matt from StableLabs present the LTIPP Council’s perspective of incentives.
Below is the recording of the third call, the call’s transcript, and the chat log. You will also find notes on the topics/questions we discussed and a summary of the views expressed. In the third call, we had Matt from StableLabs present the LTIPP Council’s perspective of incentives.
Recording - Liquidity Incentives Call #3 (4.9.2024) Transcript - Liquidity Incentives Call #3 (4.9.2024) Chat Log - Liquidity Incentives Call #3 (4.9.2024)
The things that were discussed were:
From the presentation of Matt from StableLabs, we discussed:
In terms of ideas for future programs:
As with previous calls, we encourage participants to prepare for the next one and share their visions and lessons earned with the rest of the working group. If you have an analysis, a report, or other findings to present during one of the upcoming calls, please contact Sinkas on Telegram.
Below is the recording of the second call, the call’s transcript, and the chat log. You will also find notes on the topics/questions we discussed and a summary of the views expressed. During the call, we did a quick review of what was discussed in the first call, and then Hayden from Blockworks Research presented BWR findings on the STIP program from the research they did as a member of the ARDC. You can find a summary of all their research and findings in the comments above.
Hey @paulofonseca, the other two are IOSG and Merkl/Jumper (they've been both presenting their ideas during our calls).
For the 12th call, we had Matt from Entropy Advisors present their DeFi Renaissance Incentive Program (DRIP).
Recording - Liquidity Incentives Call #12 (18.12.2024) Transcript - Liquidity Incentives Call #12 (18.12.2024) Chat Log - Liquidity Incentives Call #12 (18.12.2024)
The feedback and communication on this proposal have been excellent and eye-opening. Thank you for your proposal; I have learned a lot from it, and I appreciate your attention to these matters.
The proposal is very comprehensive, with a clear and direct direction. I believe there is no need to establish a new working group. Instead, efforts should focus on leveraging ARDC’s research results to optimize the existing framework. At the same time, innovative incentive methods and a shared funding mechanism should be introduced to maintain a competitive edge.
The feedback and communication on this proposal have been excellent and eye-opening. Thank you for your proposal; I have learned a lot from it, and I appreciate your attention to these matters.
The proposal is very comprehensive, with a clear and direct direction. I believe there is no need to establish a new working group. Instead, efforts should focus on leveraging ARDC’s research results to optimize the existing framework. At the same time, innovative incentive methods and a shared funding mechanism should be introduced to maintain a competitive edge.
ARDC has already conducted extensive research and discussions, and directly utilizing their existing outcomes would be more efficient. Creating a new working group could lead to resource fragmentation and reduced efficiency. It would be better to concentrate efforts on refining ARDC’s existing work.
The previous incentive model, where the DAO entirely subsidized projects, posed high risks and led to resource wastage. Future incentive plans should incorporate a “shared funding mechanism,” requiring protocols to contribute part of the capital to increase their responsibility for project success.
Arbitrum should consider diversifying its incentive approaches, not limiting itself to liquidity incentives, but also exploring innovative methods such as account abstraction and point systems to attract users. Permanent incentive plans should not only focus on user acquisition but also on the long-term value of ArbitrumDAO, including protocol revenue, ecosystem user retention, and the genuine contributions of ecosystem participants to the network.
Future incentive plans should require protocols to contribute a portion of the capital, such as in STIP’s funding ratio, to avoid having the DAO fully bear the costs and to enhance the sustainability of the incentive programs.
For the 11th call, we Momir from IOSG discuss their recent proposal and we also had and Sov from OpenSourceObserver..
Recording - Liquidity Incentives Call #11 (11.12.2024) Transcript - Liquidity Incentives Call #11 (11.12.2024) Chat Log - Liquidity Incentives Call #11 (11.12.2024)
For the 10th call, we had Kamil from patterns.build talk about how they would see the future incentive programs utilizing their platform for measuring impact.
Recording - Liquidity Incentives Call #10 (27.11.2024) Transcript - Liquidity Incentives Call #10 (27.11.2024) Chat Log - Liquidity Incentives Call #10 (27.11.2024)
TL;DR
Incentives detox is officially over. We now invite people that have been working on proposal for incentive programs to come forward and propose them to the DAO. We have compiled a list of useful input from the past 14 calls of the ‘Liquidity Incentives Working Group’ that proposal authors are encouraged to incorporate in their design.
TL;DR
Incentives detox is officially over. We now invite people that have been working on proposal for incentive programs to come forward and propose them to the DAO. We have compiled a list of useful input from the past 14 calls of the ‘Liquidity Incentives Working Group’ that proposal authors are encouraged to incorporate in their design.
This post officially marks the end of the ‘Incentives Detox’ proposal and the period of holding back from trying to implement an incentives program in Arbitrum. From today onward, we encourage individuals, teams, or organizations that want to propose an incentive program design to do so in the forum.
There are already a few proposals being worked on that have been presented and discussed in past calls of the incentives working group. Moving forward, we think that ETH Denver is a good deadline to aim for in terms of being in a position as a DAO to announce the new program. To do so, we need to utilize the next few weeks to make headway in narrowing down the program we want to implement.
To help facilitate the process of incorporating feedback from all participants of the working group over the past 14 calls, we’ve fed the transcripts of the calls into ChatGPT and created a list of suggestions that have been brought up. We then filtered the suggestions to remove duplicate ones and then proceeded to group them together under common themes.
Here’s what we came up with:
what were the 4 service providers that L2Beat is working with to help craft proposals, that @krst mentioned in the call?
even rewatching the recording I can only identify patterns.build by @kamilgorski and I think DRIP by @Entropy but not the other 2.
could you clarify?
For the 13th call, we had Jumper Exchange and Merkl present their proposal for an incentive program.
Recording - Liquidity Incentives Call #13 (15.1.2024) Transcript - Liquidity Incentives Call #13 (15.1.2024) Chat Log - Liquidity Incentives Call #13 (15.1.2024)
For the 13th call, we had Jumper Exchange and Merkl present their proposal for an incentive program.
Recording - Liquidity Incentives Call #13 (15.1.2024) Transcript - Liquidity Incentives Call #13 (15.1.2024) Chat Log - Liquidity Incentives Call #13 (15.1.2024)
The 14th call marked the official end of the detox period and the incentives working group we've been facilitating over the past few weeks. Going forward, anyone is welcome -encouraged, even- to propose a new incentive program for Arbitrum, taking into account all the things we've learned over the past 13 calls.
Recording - Liquidity Incentives Call #14 (23.1.2024) Transcript - Liquidity Incentives Call #14 (23.1.2024) Chat Log - Liquidity Incentives Call #14 (23.1.2024)
For the 9th call, we had Vending Machine and Boost offer their insights on incentives programs.
Recording - Liquidity Incentives Call #9 (30.10.2024) Transcript - Liquidity Incentives Call #9 (30.10.2024) Chat Log - Liquidity Incentives Call #9 (30.10.2024)
Last week, the call took place but in a more informal setting as nothing was planned due to people returning from Devcon.
This is excellent analysis and I highly appreciate your input to the working group call this week! I hope to see you all lead a workstream as suggested here. Please do reach out for proposal review or feedback early in the process.
For the 8th call, we had Powerhouse, GMX, and Camelot talk about their experience with and perspective on incentives.
Recording - Liquidity Incentives Call #8 (16.10.2024) Transcript - Liquidity Incentives Call #8 (16.10.2024) Chat Log - Liquidity Incentives Call #8 (16.10.2024)
The things that were discussed were:
Apologies for the delay on posting the last 2 recordings. Publishing them in a batch in this comment.
Below is the recording of the sixth and seventh call, the calls’ transcripts, and the chat logs. You will also find notes on the topics/questions we discussed in each call and a summary of the views expressed.
Below is the recording of the fifth call, the call’s transcript, and the chat log. In the fifth call, we had OpenBlock's Labs present the dashboards they have created to track incentives.
Recording - Liquidity Incentives Call #5 (25.9.2024) Transcript - Liquidity Incentives Call #5 (25.9.2024) Chat Log - Liquidity Incentives Call #5 (25.9.2024)
Below is the recording of the third call, the call’s transcript, and the chat log. You will also find notes on the topics/questions we discussed and a summary of the views expressed. In the fourth call, we had Tnorm, the man who spearheaded STIP, present his views and learnings.
Recording - Liquidity Incentives Call #4 (11.9.2024) Transcript - Liquidity Incentives Call #4 (11.9.2024) Chat Log - Liquidity Incentives Call #4 (11.9.2024)
@paulofonseca Yeah, here is the presentation https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1tTXRJT3lKUsyakf1qYckcEROBSS9vroXA7N4ePTo1ic/edit?usp=sharing
@Matt_StableLab would you be ok to share the presentation file, that you presented on this call last week?
Below is the recording of the third call, the call’s transcript, and the chat log. You will also find notes on the topics/questions we discussed and a summary of the views expressed. In the third call, we had Matt from StableLabs present the LTIPP Council’s perspective of incentives.
Below is the recording of the third call, the call’s transcript, and the chat log. You will also find notes on the topics/questions we discussed and a summary of the views expressed. In the third call, we had Matt from StableLabs present the LTIPP Council’s perspective of incentives.
Recording - Liquidity Incentives Call #3 (4.9.2024) Transcript - Liquidity Incentives Call #3 (4.9.2024) Chat Log - Liquidity Incentives Call #3 (4.9.2024)
The things that were discussed were:
From the presentation of Matt from StableLabs, we discussed:
In terms of ideas for future programs:
As with previous calls, we encourage participants to prepare for the next one and share their visions and lessons earned with the rest of the working group. If you have an analysis, a report, or other findings to present during one of the upcoming calls, please contact Sinkas on Telegram.
Below is the recording of the second call, the call’s transcript, and the chat log. You will also find notes on the topics/questions we discussed and a summary of the views expressed. During the call, we did a quick review of what was discussed in the first call, and then Hayden from Blockworks Research presented BWR findings on the STIP program from the research they did as a member of the ARDC. You can find a summary of all their research and findings in the comments above.
For the 9th call, we had Vending Machine and Boost offer their insights on incentives programs.
Recording - Liquidity Incentives Call #9 (30.10.2024) Transcript - Liquidity Incentives Call #9 (30.10.2024) Chat Log - Liquidity Incentives Call #9 (30.10.2024)
Last week, the call took place but in a more informal setting as nothing was planned due to people returning from Devcon.
For this week, we're going to have Kamil from Patterns.build present their views.
For the 8th call, we had Powerhouse, GMX, and Camelot talk about their experience with and perspective on incentives.
Recording - Liquidity Incentives Call #8 (16.10.2024) Transcript - Liquidity Incentives Call #8 (16.10.2024) Chat Log - Liquidity Incentives Call #8 (16.10.2024)
The things that were discussed were:
In terms of ideas for future programs:
As with previous calls, we encourage participants to prepare for the next one and share their visions, lessons learned and ideas with the rest of the working group. If you have an analysis, a report, or other findings or ideas to present during one of the upcoming calls, please contact Sinkas on Telegram.
Apologies for the delay on posting the last 2 recordings. Publishing them in a batch in this comment.
Below is the recording of the sixth and seventh call, the calls’ transcripts, and the chat logs. You will also find notes on the topics/questions we discussed in each call and a summary of the views expressed.
For the 6th call, we had Darius from Vertex (perp DEX) offer their perspective on incentives as a protocol that received incentives. We also had Coinflip from GMX briefly share their perspective.
Recording - Liquidity Incentives Call #6 (2.10.2024) Transcript - Liquidity Incentives Call #6 (2.10.2024) Chat Log - Liquidity Incentives Call #6 (2.10.2024)
The things that were discussed were:
In terms of ideas for future programs:
For the 7th call, we had Kamil from TokenGuard, which focuses on analyzing user behavior and conversion in blockchain systems, present their insights from LTIPP.
Recording - Liquidity Incentives Call #7 (9.10.2024) Transcript - Liquidity Incentives Call #7 (9.10.2024) Chat Log - Liquidity Incentives Call #7 (9.10.2024)
The things that were discussed were:
In terms of ideas for future programs:
As with previous calls, we encourage participants to prepare for the next one and share their visions and lessons earned with the rest of the working group. If you have an analysis, a report, or other findings to present during one of the upcoming calls, please contact Sinkas on Telegram
Below is the recording of the fifth call, the call’s transcript, and the chat log. In the fifth call, we had OpenBlock's Labs present the dashboards they have created to track incentives.
Recording - Liquidity Incentives Call #5 (25.9.2024) Transcript - Liquidity Incentives Call #5 (25.9.2024) Chat Log - Liquidity Incentives Call #5 (25.9.2024)
As with previous calls, we encourage participants to prepare for the next one and share their visions and lessons earned with the rest of the working group. If you have an analysis, a report, or other findings to present during one of the upcoming calls, please contact Sinkas on Telegram
Below is the recording of the third call, the call’s transcript, and the chat log. You will also find notes on the topics/questions we discussed and a summary of the views expressed. In the fourth call, we had Tnorm, the man who spearheaded STIP, present his views and learnings.
Recording - Liquidity Incentives Call #4 (11.9.2024) Transcript - Liquidity Incentives Call #4 (11.9.2024) Chat Log - Liquidity Incentives Call #4 (11.9.2024)
The things that were discussed were:
From the presentation of Tnorm, we discussed:
In terms of ideas for future programs:
As with previous calls, we encourage participants to prepare for the next one and share their visions and lessons earned with the rest of the working group. If you have an analysis, a report, or other findings to present during one of the upcoming calls, please contact Sinkas on Telegram
Below is the recording of the second call, the call’s transcript, and the chat log. You will also find notes on the topics/questions we discussed and a summary of the views expressed. During the call, we did a quick review of what was discussed in the first call, and then Hayden from Blockworks Research presented BWR findings on the STIP program from the research they did as a member of the ARDC. You can find a summary of all their research and findings in the comments above.
Recording - Liquidity Incentives Call #2 (28.8.2024) Transcript - Liquidity Incentives Call #2 (28.8.2024) Chat Log - Liquidity Incentives Call #2 (28.8.2024)
The things that were discussed were:
From the presentation of Hayden from Blockworks research, we discussed:
In terms of ideas for future programs:
We encourage participants to prepare for the next call and share their visions and lessons earned with the rest of the working group. If you have an analysis, a report, or other findings to present during one of the upcoming calls, please reach out to Sinkas on Telegram.
Voted Abstain, as I believe that directionally this may make sense - but we need strong milestones and next steps to ensure that research is accomplished, and a program is established for future incentives.
Per request, here are brief summaries of some of our STIP-related ARDC work. As the DAO contemplates another incentives program, we encourage members of the DAO to carefully review the materials.
Per request, here are brief summaries of some of our STIP-related ARDC work. As the DAO contemplates another incentives program, we encourage members of the DAO to carefully review the materials.
STIP-Bridge – Support Material for the Community
STIP-Bridge (Extended Deadline Applicants) – Support Material for the Community
STIP Retroactive Analysis – Perp DEX Volume
STIP Retroactive Analysis – Spot DEX TVL
STIP Analysis of Operations and Incentive Mechanisms
STIP Retroactive Analysis – Yield Aggregators TVL
STIP Retroactive Analysis – Sequencer Revenue
Below is the recording of the first call, the call’s transcript, and the chat log. You will also find notes on the topics/questions we discussed and a summary of the views expressed. At the very bottom, there’s a culmination of the key takeaways from the discussion.
Below is the recording of the first call, the call’s transcript, and the chat log. You will also find notes on the topics/questions we discussed and a summary of the views expressed. At the very bottom, there’s a culmination of the key takeaways from the discussion.
Recording - Liquidity Incentives Call #1 (21.8.2024) Transcript - Liquidity Incentives Call #1 (21.8.2024) Chat Log - Liquidity Incentives Call #1 (21.8.2024)
Incentive programs will help:
Incentive programs should:
For an incentive program to work, we need first to determine its goal and agree on the necessary metrics to monitor its success, taking into consideration that the long-term and short-term success might be conflicting.
The target users/protocols/capital should be outside Arbitrum and preferably outside EVM chains. We should target users/protocols from other chains (e.g., Tron or BSC) and people outside of crypto. Growth coming from outside is more valuable.
The success of each protocol’s distribution should be monitored and measured live rather than retroactively so adjustments can be made if needed.
gm, I am in support of taking a break from any kind of incentive program to evaluate concluded and existing ones. Hopefully, analysing the concluded incentive program would give us the data needed to channel our energy into.
I suggest that subsequent incentive programs remain temporal and can be renewed according to any duration agreed by the DAO. This gives the DAO the ability to decline renewal of the incentive program if any project didn't meet their milestones.
For tracking purposes: I voted for on this proposal, and I'm willing to work on the groups analysing all the data
Starting this week, we’ve set up a recurring 1-hour call every Wednesday (starting on the 21st of August) at 16:00 UTC (12:00 EST / 00:00 SGT). You can join the call here.
Starting this week, we’ve set up a recurring 1-hour call every Wednesday (starting on the 21st of August) at 16:00 UTC (12:00 EST / 00:00 SGT). You can join the call here.
Just as an idea, the LTIPP Discord is also available, where literally everyone who participated in LTIPP and B.STIP is there (over 600 users, including delegates, LTIPP/B.STIP workstream members, and applicants). We could create a specific channel for these calls, announce it as an event on Discord to raise awareness, and create roles so that anyone signed up to speak (whoever wants to) can do so, and the rest can listen. This way, all builders have the opportunity to listen and contribute their experience if they wish.
The following reflects the views of L2BEAT’s governance team, composed of @krst and @Sinkas, and it’s based on the combined research, fact-checking, and ideation of the two.
With the Snapshot proposal being successful, we’ll begin facilitating the incentives working group as outlined in the proposal. To kickstart the process, we’ll set up a weekly call. We’ll initially facilitate the calls and try to navigate the discussion, but we hope for it to be an open and collaborative process for all participants.
The following reflects the views of L2BEAT’s governance team, composed of @krst and @Sinkas, and it’s based on the combined research, fact-checking, and ideation of the two.
With the Snapshot proposal being successful, we’ll begin facilitating the incentives working group as outlined in the proposal. To kickstart the process, we’ll set up a weekly call. We’ll initially facilitate the calls and try to navigate the discussion, but we hope for it to be an open and collaborative process for all participants.
For async coordination, we’ll use and repurpose the already-existing “ARB Liquidity Incentive Workgroup” group chat on Telegram, which is already filled with participants and historical context.
Starting this week, we’ve set up a recurring 1-hour call every Wednesday (starting on the 21st of August) at 16:00 UTC (12:00 EST / 00:00 SGT). You can join the call here.
💡 You can add the Arbitrum DAO Governance Calendar to your Google Calendar to see this and all other DAO events.
As outlined in the original 'Incentives Detox' proposal, several different parties have already conducted and published numerous analyses. We understand the challenge of reading, understanding, and fully comprehending all the key takeaways from the various reports coherently.
To that end, we’ll use the first (few?) calls so different parties can present the key takeaways from their research and analysis and discuss them with the rest of the working group. That way, we’ll hopefully be able to kick things off on the same foot regarding context when we start designing a new perpetual program.
While we’ll be actively reaching out to the authors of some of the reports to invite them to present their findings, we urge everyone who has conducted some sort of analysis on the design or the impact of STIP, STIP Backfund, LTIPP, or STIP Bridge to reach out to us on Telegram so we can schedule time for them to present their findings on the call.
I think this is a good idea because it emphasizes the importance of taking a step back to analyze past incentive programs before launching new ones. This ensures future incentives are data-driven, impactful, and sustainable.
I voted for in this proposal. I also think the timeframe proposed is reasonable to analyze results and decide on the next steps. It has become extremely difficult to keep up with all the progress, different initiatives, and results for each one. Taking time to gather and review data is a good idea.
I voted "FOR" this proposal because, let's face it, we need a breather. The DAO has been running from one incentive program to the next without stopping to learn from them. This 3-month pause lets us catch our breath, dig into the data, and design a smarter, long-term incentives program that actually works. It's like hitting pause on a Netflix binge—time to reflect before diving back in for more.
We want to thank @Sinkas and @krst for proposing such an important topic. To be honest, we think that the Arbitrum DAO has recently been making bold and generous expenditures. Therefore, we would be pleased to see incentives that are more thoughtfully considered and based on past feedback.
However, we debated within our team whether a detox was necessary for this. Some of our team members were not entirely comfortable with committing to such a thing. After all, instead of focusing on a "time period," simply increasing "quality" and raising "awareness" among people might be sufficient for a great proposal or incentive.
For the 9th call, we had Vending Machine and Boost offer their insights on incentives programs.
Recording - Liquidity Incentives Call #9 (30.10.2024) Transcript - Liquidity Incentives Call #9 (30.10.2024) Chat Log - Liquidity Incentives Call #9 (30.10.2024)
Last week, the call took place but in a more informal setting as nothing was planned due to people returning from Devcon.
For this week, we're going to have Kamil from Patterns.build present their views.
For the 8th call, we had Powerhouse, GMX, and Camelot talk about their experience with and perspective on incentives.
Recording - Liquidity Incentives Call #8 (16.10.2024) Transcript - Liquidity Incentives Call #8 (16.10.2024) Chat Log - Liquidity Incentives Call #8 (16.10.2024)
The things that were discussed were:
In terms of ideas for future programs:
As with previous calls, we encourage participants to prepare for the next one and share their visions, lessons learned and ideas with the rest of the working group. If you have an analysis, a report, or other findings or ideas to present during one of the upcoming calls, please contact Sinkas on Telegram.
Apologies for the delay on posting the last 2 recordings. Publishing them in a batch in this comment.
Below is the recording of the sixth and seventh call, the calls’ transcripts, and the chat logs. You will also find notes on the topics/questions we discussed in each call and a summary of the views expressed.
For the 6th call, we had Darius from Vertex (perp DEX) offer their perspective on incentives as a protocol that received incentives. We also had Coinflip from GMX briefly share their perspective.
Recording - Liquidity Incentives Call #6 (2.10.2024) Transcript - Liquidity Incentives Call #6 (2.10.2024) Chat Log - Liquidity Incentives Call #6 (2.10.2024)
The things that were discussed were:
In terms of ideas for future programs:
For the 7th call, we had Kamil from TokenGuard, which focuses on analyzing user behavior and conversion in blockchain systems, present their insights from LTIPP.
Recording - Liquidity Incentives Call #7 (9.10.2024) Transcript - Liquidity Incentives Call #7 (9.10.2024) Chat Log - Liquidity Incentives Call #7 (9.10.2024)
The things that were discussed were:
In terms of ideas for future programs:
As with previous calls, we encourage participants to prepare for the next one and share their visions and lessons earned with the rest of the working group. If you have an analysis, a report, or other findings to present during one of the upcoming calls, please contact Sinkas on Telegram
Below is the recording of the fifth call, the call’s transcript, and the chat log. In the fifth call, we had OpenBlock's Labs present the dashboards they have created to track incentives.
Recording - Liquidity Incentives Call #5 (25.9.2024) Transcript - Liquidity Incentives Call #5 (25.9.2024) Chat Log - Liquidity Incentives Call #5 (25.9.2024)
As with previous calls, we encourage participants to prepare for the next one and share their visions and lessons earned with the rest of the working group. If you have an analysis, a report, or other findings to present during one of the upcoming calls, please contact Sinkas on Telegram
Below is the recording of the third call, the call’s transcript, and the chat log. You will also find notes on the topics/questions we discussed and a summary of the views expressed. In the fourth call, we had Tnorm, the man who spearheaded STIP, present his views and learnings.
Recording - Liquidity Incentives Call #4 (11.9.2024) Transcript - Liquidity Incentives Call #4 (11.9.2024) Chat Log - Liquidity Incentives Call #4 (11.9.2024)
The things that were discussed were:
From the presentation of Tnorm, we discussed:
In terms of ideas for future programs:
As with previous calls, we encourage participants to prepare for the next one and share their visions and lessons earned with the rest of the working group. If you have an analysis, a report, or other findings to present during one of the upcoming calls, please contact Sinkas on Telegram
Below is the recording of the second call, the call’s transcript, and the chat log. You will also find notes on the topics/questions we discussed and a summary of the views expressed. During the call, we did a quick review of what was discussed in the first call, and then Hayden from Blockworks Research presented BWR findings on the STIP program from the research they did as a member of the ARDC. You can find a summary of all their research and findings in the comments above.
Recording - Liquidity Incentives Call #2 (28.8.2024) Transcript - Liquidity Incentives Call #2 (28.8.2024) Chat Log - Liquidity Incentives Call #2 (28.8.2024)
The things that were discussed were:
From the presentation of Hayden from Blockworks research, we discussed:
In terms of ideas for future programs:
We encourage participants to prepare for the next call and share their visions and lessons earned with the rest of the working group. If you have an analysis, a report, or other findings to present during one of the upcoming calls, please reach out to Sinkas on Telegram.
Voted Abstain, as I believe that directionally this may make sense - but we need strong milestones and next steps to ensure that research is accomplished, and a program is established for future incentives.
Per request, here are brief summaries of some of our STIP-related ARDC work. As the DAO contemplates another incentives program, we encourage members of the DAO to carefully review the materials.
Per request, here are brief summaries of some of our STIP-related ARDC work. As the DAO contemplates another incentives program, we encourage members of the DAO to carefully review the materials.
STIP-Bridge – Support Material for the Community
STIP-Bridge (Extended Deadline Applicants) – Support Material for the Community
STIP Retroactive Analysis – Perp DEX Volume
STIP Retroactive Analysis – Spot DEX TVL
STIP Analysis of Operations and Incentive Mechanisms
STIP Retroactive Analysis – Yield Aggregators TVL
STIP Retroactive Analysis – Sequencer Revenue
Below is the recording of the first call, the call’s transcript, and the chat log. You will also find notes on the topics/questions we discussed and a summary of the views expressed. At the very bottom, there’s a culmination of the key takeaways from the discussion.
Below is the recording of the first call, the call’s transcript, and the chat log. You will also find notes on the topics/questions we discussed and a summary of the views expressed. At the very bottom, there’s a culmination of the key takeaways from the discussion.
Recording - Liquidity Incentives Call #1 (21.8.2024) Transcript - Liquidity Incentives Call #1 (21.8.2024) Chat Log - Liquidity Incentives Call #1 (21.8.2024)
Incentive programs will help:
Incentive programs should:
For an incentive program to work, we need first to determine its goal and agree on the necessary metrics to monitor its success, taking into consideration that the long-term and short-term success might be conflicting.
The target users/protocols/capital should be outside Arbitrum and preferably outside EVM chains. We should target users/protocols from other chains (e.g., Tron or BSC) and people outside of crypto. Growth coming from outside is more valuable.
The success of each protocol’s distribution should be monitored and measured live rather than retroactively so adjustments can be made if needed.
gm, I am in support of taking a break from any kind of incentive program to evaluate concluded and existing ones. Hopefully, analysing the concluded incentive program would give us the data needed to channel our energy into.
I suggest that subsequent incentive programs remain temporal and can be renewed according to any duration agreed by the DAO. This gives the DAO the ability to decline renewal of the incentive program if any project didn't meet their milestones.
For tracking purposes: I voted for on this proposal, and I'm willing to work on the groups analysing all the data
Starting this week, we’ve set up a recurring 1-hour call every Wednesday (starting on the 21st of August) at 16:00 UTC (12:00 EST / 00:00 SGT). You can join the call here.
Starting this week, we’ve set up a recurring 1-hour call every Wednesday (starting on the 21st of August) at 16:00 UTC (12:00 EST / 00:00 SGT). You can join the call here.
Just as an idea, the LTIPP Discord is also available, where literally everyone who participated in LTIPP and B.STIP is there (over 600 users, including delegates, LTIPP/B.STIP workstream members, and applicants). We could create a specific channel for these calls, announce it as an event on Discord to raise awareness, and create roles so that anyone signed up to speak (whoever wants to) can do so, and the rest can listen. This way, all builders have the opportunity to listen and contribute their experience if they wish.
The following reflects the views of L2BEAT’s governance team, composed of @krst and @Sinkas, and it’s based on the combined research, fact-checking, and ideation of the two.
With the Snapshot proposal being successful, we’ll begin facilitating the incentives working group as outlined in the proposal. To kickstart the process, we’ll set up a weekly call. We’ll initially facilitate the calls and try to navigate the discussion, but we hope for it to be an open and collaborative process for all participants.
The following reflects the views of L2BEAT’s governance team, composed of @krst and @Sinkas, and it’s based on the combined research, fact-checking, and ideation of the two.
With the Snapshot proposal being successful, we’ll begin facilitating the incentives working group as outlined in the proposal. To kickstart the process, we’ll set up a weekly call. We’ll initially facilitate the calls and try to navigate the discussion, but we hope for it to be an open and collaborative process for all participants.
For async coordination, we’ll use and repurpose the already-existing “ARB Liquidity Incentive Workgroup” group chat on Telegram, which is already filled with participants and historical context.
Starting this week, we’ve set up a recurring 1-hour call every Wednesday (starting on the 21st of August) at 16:00 UTC (12:00 EST / 00:00 SGT). You can join the call here.
💡 You can add the Arbitrum DAO Governance Calendar to your Google Calendar to see this and all other DAO events.
As outlined in the original 'Incentives Detox' proposal, several different parties have already conducted and published numerous analyses. We understand the challenge of reading, understanding, and fully comprehending all the key takeaways from the various reports coherently.
To that end, we’ll use the first (few?) calls so different parties can present the key takeaways from their research and analysis and discuss them with the rest of the working group. That way, we’ll hopefully be able to kick things off on the same foot regarding context when we start designing a new perpetual program.
While we’ll be actively reaching out to the authors of some of the reports to invite them to present their findings, we urge everyone who has conducted some sort of analysis on the design or the impact of STIP, STIP Backfund, LTIPP, or STIP Bridge to reach out to us on Telegram so we can schedule time for them to present their findings on the call.
I think this is a good idea because it emphasizes the importance of taking a step back to analyze past incentive programs before launching new ones. This ensures future incentives are data-driven, impactful, and sustainable.
I voted for in this proposal. I also think the timeframe proposed is reasonable to analyze results and decide on the next steps. It has become extremely difficult to keep up with all the progress, different initiatives, and results for each one. Taking time to gather and review data is a good idea.
I voted "FOR" this proposal because, let's face it, we need a breather. The DAO has been running from one incentive program to the next without stopping to learn from them. This 3-month pause lets us catch our breath, dig into the data, and design a smarter, long-term incentives program that actually works. It's like hitting pause on a Netflix binge—time to reflect before diving back in for more.
We want to thank @Sinkas and @krst for proposing such an important topic. To be honest, we think that the Arbitrum DAO has recently been making bold and generous expenditures. Therefore, we would be pleased to see incentives that are more thoughtfully considered and based on past feedback.
However, we debated within our team whether a detox was necessary for this. Some of our team members were not entirely comfortable with committing to such a thing. After all, instead of focusing on a "time period," simply increasing "quality" and raising "awareness" among people might be sufficient for a great proposal or incentive.
We want to thank @Sinkas and @krst for proposing such an important topic. To be honest, we think that the Arbitrum DAO has recently been making bold and generous expenditures. Therefore, we would be pleased to see incentives that are more thoughtfully considered and based on past feedback.
However, we debated within our team whether a detox was necessary for this. Some of our team members were not entirely comfortable with committing to such a thing. After all, instead of focusing on a "time period," simply increasing "quality" and raising "awareness" among people might be sufficient for a great proposal or incentive.
In the end, we still decided to vote "FOR" the proposal because sometimes these things remain theoretical, and we agreed that allowing time would be helpful in most cases. We are happy that a step has been taken on such a sensitive issue.
We want to thank @Sinkas and @krst for proposing such an important topic. To be honest, we think that the Arbitrum DAO has recently been making bold and generous expenditures. Therefore, we would be pleased to see incentives that are more thoughtfully considered and based on past feedback.
However, we debated within our team whether a detox was necessary for this. Some of our team members were not entirely comfortable with committing to such a thing. After all, instead of focusing on a "time period," simply increasing "quality" and raising "awareness" among people might be sufficient for a great proposal or incentive.
In the end, we still decided to vote "FOR" the proposal because sometimes these things remain theoretical, and we agreed that allowing time would be helpful in most cases. We are happy that a step has been taken on such a sensitive issue.
We at Castle Capital acknowledge the importance of pausing the current incentive programs to create a robust and effective framework moving forward. We believe this is a crucial step to ensure the sustainability and efficiency of our initiatives.
We at Castle Capital acknowledge the importance of pausing the current incentive programs to create a robust and effective framework moving forward. We believe this is a crucial step to ensure the sustainability and efficiency of our initiatives.
No Hard Deadlines on Detox: We recommend against imposing strict deadlines for the detox process. Instead, let’s focus on thorough analysis and strategic planning to guide our next steps effectively.
Establish a Fast-Acting Working Group: Paid WG Lead and Data Analysis Teams: To expedite this process, we propose the formation of a dedicated working group led by a paid WG lead and supported by paid data analysis teams. This will ensure that our efforts are focused and we can move swiftly and efficiently.
Seamless Transition from LTIPP Workstream to New WG: The transition of responsibilities from the LTIPP Workstream to the new working group should be handled rapidly. This will ensure continuity and leverage the existing knowledge and data in collaboration with ARDC and other relevant bodies.
Consolidated DAO Goals and Vision: A unified vision and set of goals for the DAO are paramount. These should guide the direction of all incentive programs and ensure alignment across the community.
Define DAO Vision and Goals: Establish a clear and shared vision for the DAO, along with specific goals that our incentive programs aim to achieve.
Data Compilation and Analysis: Gather and analyze all existing data from previous programs such as STIP, LTIPP, and STIP bridge. Assess their effectiveness and impact in alignment with our newly defined vision and goals.
Report and Recommendations: Compile a comprehensive report detailing the lessons learned from qualitative and quantitative data. This should include actionable recommendations for future programs.
In conclusion, we favor pausing the current incentive programs to create a more structured and effective framework. However, we caution against setting hard deadlines and emphasize the importance of thoroughly analyzing previous initiatives. By defining a common DAO vision and goals, we can ensure that future incentive programs are aligned and effective.
We look forward to collaborating with the community on this important initiative.
After consideration Treasure’s Arbitrum Representative Council (ARC) would like to share the following feedback on the proposal
Name aside, we are very aligned with the contents of the proposal and voted FOR.
After consideration Treasure’s Arbitrum Representative Council (ARC) would like to share the following feedback on the proposal
Name aside, we are very aligned with the contents of the proposal and voted FOR.
👆yes please
However, we disliked the framing of this as a detox. Detox implies the recovery from a harmful and damaging substance. Moreover, those recovering on a detox don't usually dive right back in after cleansing their system. The ARC also noted that the term "incentives" is somewhat ambiguous when we actually are talking about direct user incentives.
These points aside, a structured long-term approach to user incentives is clearly needed, and this proposal moves us a step forward in the right direction.
Voting (very strongly) "For"
Going to add more info shortly, but at the crux of my vote is that I don't believe there has been a material and meaningful enough review of the incentive programs to date. I don't think the incentive programs are running as smoothly as they need to be (which, btw as a caveat - isn't a dig at the actual people running them but the broader picture). And at this point there is no excuse not to do this as we've now had multiple iterations of incentive programs to based our data off of.
Voting (very strongly) "For"
Going to add more info shortly, but at the crux of my vote is that I don't believe there has been a material and meaningful enough review of the incentive programs to date. I don't think the incentive programs are running as smoothly as they need to be (which, btw as a caveat - isn't a dig at the actual people running them but the broader picture). And at this point there is no excuse not to do this as we've now had multiple iterations of incentive programs to based our data off of.
I fear if we don't take a forced break another 6 month incentive program will just be pushed through due to pressure from entitles that just want to continue getting 'free' ARB for their programs.
DAOplomats is voting FOR on Snapshot.
We were pleased to see this proposal which we believe is well overdue, so thank you L2BEAT for putting this together.
DAOplomats is voting FOR on Snapshot.
We were pleased to see this proposal which we believe is well overdue, so thank you L2BEAT for putting this together.
We have been reviewing the various incentive analyses carried out by different stakeholders within the DAO. However, having this dedicated timeframe and working group with little/no distractions to really dial in on learnings from past programs is imperative and we are in full support. We would also love to be a part of this WG if this proposal passes.
I voted FOR this proposal at the temp check stage. We've deployed hundreds of millions of dollars in incentives across four programs. It's time to take a step back, review performance, and align on our goals for incentives going forward.
I appreciate the comment from @Matt_StableLab reflecting on incentive program needs going forward. I'm aligned with prioritizing clear objectives, stronger reporting, and a greater emphasis on marketing.
We vote FOR the proposal on Snapshot.
We consider the STIP (and its bridge) and LTIPP are purely experiments that need deep analysis and considerations for its complete version of the mechanism. To do so, the DAO requires dedicated resources including time, thus having the detox period makes perfect sense. We appreciate the work by all the contributors including L2BEAT, Matt from StableLab, the LTIPP council members and advisors, so far and in the future. As dk3 suggested, we would also suggest a name to clarify that it's not just about "detoxing" but more of a reflection and review. Incentives Program Reflection Period is our suggestion.
I’m posting my rationale later, but in short, I couldn’t agree more with this proposal. I’m a firm believer that experiments are necessary, but what’s most important are the results, the analysis of those results, and the data that help us recalibrate our strategy if needed, refining our direction to reach our North Star.
Fully agree, voting For. I would even go further and say we should tighten up the spending in general. The emissions rate for ARB is just too damn high!

Fully agree, voting For. I would even go further and say we should tighten up the spending in general. The emissions rate for ARB is just too damn high!

I think we have done a great job at attracting protocols and users with these incentives but at the same time, the amount of ARB we spent to do it was MASSIVE.... I am very excited to see the results of the analysis... and personally... I would LOVE to see more incentives that lock some of the ARB that users receive, so that the incentives reward and attract long term believers, as opposed to mercenary liquidity providers (in theory). We will see if the analysis agrees with that hypothesis or not.
The UADP is in favor of this. There has been a massive influx of ARB into the circulating supply due to all of the recent governance proposals creating unprecedented sell pressure. This should help ease off some of this for these few months as we re-analyze what to do.
Some questions to consider are:
The UADP is in favor of this. There has been a massive influx of ARB into the circulating supply due to all of the recent governance proposals creating unprecedented sell pressure. This should help ease off some of this for these few months as we re-analyze what to do.
Some questions to consider are:
Commenting Rationale below
I support the Incentives Detox Proposal, which wisely advocates for a three-month pause to reassess and refine the Arbitrum DAO’s incentive programs. This break is crucial for analyzing past initiatives, improving accountability, and designing a more effective, data-driven incentives framework.
Commenting Rationale below
I support the Incentives Detox Proposal, which wisely advocates for a three-month pause to reassess and refine the Arbitrum DAO’s incentive programs. This break is crucial for analyzing past initiatives, improving accountability, and designing a more effective, data-driven incentives framework.
The proposal’s emphasis on forming a dedicated working group is a key strength, ensuring that diverse stakeholders contribute to a well-rounded, long-term strategy. Flexibility in the detox period and clearer objectives for future programs are necessary to align with the DAO’s broader goals and remain competitive in the ecosystem.
I believe the new incentives proposal should closely tie to growth objectives, recognizing that incentives are merely a tool to drive broader ecosystem development. This initiative represents a strategic step towards more sustainable growth for Arbitrum.
See Voting Rationale, here: https://forum.arbitrum.foundation/t/alex-lumley-savvy-dao-delegate-communication-thread/26147/2
Discussed in other venues, but sharing here as well. Probably need a rebranded name before onchain vote something like Benefit Reflection Period or something.
a) I think there are like <50 ppl on this earth that could manage a program to collect, interpret, analyze, and prepare all the data to create a reformed Incentive Program. We need to break it down into multiple sub projects and baby step through each milestone. Not sure 3mo is even enough time to coordinate and complete this exercise.
We are in full support of this. There are too many programs right now that have substantially been putting constant downwards pressure on the token price. We think that this Detox will allow for the token to recover a bit and see how well adoption can be naturally achieved.
A few points we want to look at are:
We are in full support of this. There are too many programs right now that have substantially been putting constant downwards pressure on the token price. We think that this Detox will allow for the token to recover a bit and see how well adoption can be naturally achieved.
A few points we want to look at are:
Camelot is voting FOR this proposal.
Contrary to popular belief, not all protocols want incentives to be indiscriminately funneled into the chain; they want it done in a way that is fair and beneficial for all participants. We believe that more specific and tailored rules should be created to better serve users, meet the economic and growth goals of the DAO, and avoid secondary detrimental effects on protocols.
Camelot is voting FOR this proposal.
Contrary to popular belief, not all protocols want incentives to be indiscriminately funneled into the chain; they want it done in a way that is fair and beneficial for all participants. We believe that more specific and tailored rules should be created to better serve users, meet the economic and growth goals of the DAO, and avoid secondary detrimental effects on protocols.
Specifically, any incentive program should avoid fostering mechanisms where protocols in the same category start a race to the bottom on fees, rebates, or other economic parameters. This situation is generally unsustainable and unrealistic, as the costs are effectively subsidized by the grant itself and thus by the DAO. It also creates an environment where protocols deployed on non-Arbitrum chains can maintain a revenue stream while driving our chain’s portion to zero. In this sense, we appreciate, for example, the gentleman’s agreement for perpetual protocols where the rebating of fees was capped at 75% across all protocols. We should aim for similar rules for several categories of protocols.
There is also an overarching need to read and reflect on data reports. Blockworks is doing a great job analyzing the first STIP results, and we hope every member of the DAO with an opinion on incentive programs will take the time to read the reports, even if they are complex. We need to incorporate all of these findings into future programs. We also need to be aware that receiving this type of data months after a program has closed, while positive, can have a limited impact compared to having data analyzed during the different phases of the program, including when it is live.
We support this proposal as it provide a sensible 3-month pause on the incentive programs. This break allows for a thorough analysis of current data to develop a more effective and sustainable long-term incentive strategy. Such a measured, data-driven approach is essential for ensuring the best use of resources and the overall health of the Arbitrum ecosystem.
We're voting FOR this proposal. A pause allows for critical reflection on our incentive strategies. We're keen to see a diverse auditing working group appointed (Council of Finance?!), ensuring a comprehensive analysis that goes beyond surface-level metrics. This approach should yield valuable insights for future decision-making.
I fully support this proposal. I believe that a 3-months break to analyse the effectiveness of incentives is essential. The evaluation step is a key element for every program in order to see how to improve it. The DAO needs to adopt a long-term approach and this proposal goals in that direction, allowing us to work on an efficient strategy to use its resources in the best way possible.
I am voting FOR this proposal.
When the STIP Bridge proposal was launched, I strongly opposed its implementation.
https://forum.arbitrum.foundation/t/double-down-on-stip-successes-stip-bridge/22353/27?u=pedrob
We at Castle Capital acknowledge the importance of pausing the current incentive programs to create a robust and effective framework moving forward. We believe this is a crucial step to ensure the sustainability and efficiency of our initiatives.
We at Castle Capital acknowledge the importance of pausing the current incentive programs to create a robust and effective framework moving forward. We believe this is a crucial step to ensure the sustainability and efficiency of our initiatives.
No Hard Deadlines on Detox: We recommend against imposing strict deadlines for the detox process. Instead, let’s focus on thorough analysis and strategic planning to guide our next steps effectively.
Establish a Fast-Acting Working Group: Paid WG Lead and Data Analysis Teams: To expedite this process, we propose the formation of a dedicated working group led by a paid WG lead and supported by paid data analysis teams. This will ensure that our efforts are focused and we can move swiftly and efficiently.
Seamless Transition from LTIPP Workstream to New WG: The transition of responsibilities from the LTIPP Workstream to the new working group should be handled rapidly. This will ensure continuity and leverage the existing knowledge and data in collaboration with ARDC and other relevant bodies.
Consolidated DAO Goals and Vision: A unified vision and set of goals for the DAO are paramount. These should guide the direction of all incentive programs and ensure alignment across the community.
Define DAO Vision and Goals: Establish a clear and shared vision for the DAO, along with specific goals that our incentive programs aim to achieve.
Data Compilation and Analysis: Gather and analyze all existing data from previous programs such as STIP, LTIPP, and STIP bridge. Assess their effectiveness and impact in alignment with our newly defined vision and goals.
Report and Recommendations: Compile a comprehensive report detailing the lessons learned from qualitative and quantitative data. This should include actionable recommendations for future programs.
In conclusion, we favor pausing the current incentive programs to create a more structured and effective framework. However, we caution against setting hard deadlines and emphasize the importance of thoroughly analyzing previous initiatives. By defining a common DAO vision and goals, we can ensure that future incentive programs are aligned and effective.
We look forward to collaborating with the community on this important initiative.
After consideration Treasure’s Arbitrum Representative Council (ARC) would like to share the following feedback on the proposal
Name aside, we are very aligned with the contents of the proposal and voted FOR.
After consideration Treasure’s Arbitrum Representative Council (ARC) would like to share the following feedback on the proposal
Name aside, we are very aligned with the contents of the proposal and voted FOR.
👆yes please
However, we disliked the framing of this as a detox. Detox implies the recovery from a harmful and damaging substance. Moreover, those recovering on a detox don't usually dive right back in after cleansing their system. The ARC also noted that the term "incentives" is somewhat ambiguous when we actually are talking about direct user incentives.
These points aside, a structured long-term approach to user incentives is clearly needed, and this proposal moves us a step forward in the right direction.
Voting (very strongly) "For"
Going to add more info shortly, but at the crux of my vote is that I don't believe there has been a material and meaningful enough review of the incentive programs to date. I don't think the incentive programs are running as smoothly as they need to be (which, btw as a caveat - isn't a dig at the actual people running them but the broader picture). And at this point there is no excuse not to do this as we've now had multiple iterations of incentive programs to based our data off of.
Voting (very strongly) "For"
Going to add more info shortly, but at the crux of my vote is that I don't believe there has been a material and meaningful enough review of the incentive programs to date. I don't think the incentive programs are running as smoothly as they need to be (which, btw as a caveat - isn't a dig at the actual people running them but the broader picture). And at this point there is no excuse not to do this as we've now had multiple iterations of incentive programs to based our data off of.
I fear if we don't take a forced break another 6 month incentive program will just be pushed through due to pressure from entitles that just want to continue getting 'free' ARB for their programs.
DAOplomats is voting FOR on Snapshot.
We were pleased to see this proposal which we believe is well overdue, so thank you L2BEAT for putting this together.
DAOplomats is voting FOR on Snapshot.
We were pleased to see this proposal which we believe is well overdue, so thank you L2BEAT for putting this together.
We have been reviewing the various incentive analyses carried out by different stakeholders within the DAO. However, having this dedicated timeframe and working group with little/no distractions to really dial in on learnings from past programs is imperative and we are in full support. We would also love to be a part of this WG if this proposal passes.
I voted FOR this proposal at the temp check stage. We've deployed hundreds of millions of dollars in incentives across four programs. It's time to take a step back, review performance, and align on our goals for incentives going forward.
I appreciate the comment from @Matt_StableLab reflecting on incentive program needs going forward. I'm aligned with prioritizing clear objectives, stronger reporting, and a greater emphasis on marketing.
We vote FOR the proposal on Snapshot.
We consider the STIP (and its bridge) and LTIPP are purely experiments that need deep analysis and considerations for its complete version of the mechanism. To do so, the DAO requires dedicated resources including time, thus having the detox period makes perfect sense. We appreciate the work by all the contributors including L2BEAT, Matt from StableLab, the LTIPP council members and advisors, so far and in the future. As dk3 suggested, we would also suggest a name to clarify that it's not just about "detoxing" but more of a reflection and review. Incentives Program Reflection Period is our suggestion.
I’m posting my rationale later, but in short, I couldn’t agree more with this proposal. I’m a firm believer that experiments are necessary, but what’s most important are the results, the analysis of those results, and the data that help us recalibrate our strategy if needed, refining our direction to reach our North Star.
Fully agree, voting For. I would even go further and say we should tighten up the spending in general. The emissions rate for ARB is just too damn high!

Fully agree, voting For. I would even go further and say we should tighten up the spending in general. The emissions rate for ARB is just too damn high!

I think we have done a great job at attracting protocols and users with these incentives but at the same time, the amount of ARB we spent to do it was MASSIVE.... I am very excited to see the results of the analysis... and personally... I would LOVE to see more incentives that lock some of the ARB that users receive, so that the incentives reward and attract long term believers, as opposed to mercenary liquidity providers (in theory). We will see if the analysis agrees with that hypothesis or not.
The UADP is in favor of this. There has been a massive influx of ARB into the circulating supply due to all of the recent governance proposals creating unprecedented sell pressure. This should help ease off some of this for these few months as we re-analyze what to do.
Some questions to consider are:
The UADP is in favor of this. There has been a massive influx of ARB into the circulating supply due to all of the recent governance proposals creating unprecedented sell pressure. This should help ease off some of this for these few months as we re-analyze what to do.
Some questions to consider are:
Commenting Rationale below
I support the Incentives Detox Proposal, which wisely advocates for a three-month pause to reassess and refine the Arbitrum DAO’s incentive programs. This break is crucial for analyzing past initiatives, improving accountability, and designing a more effective, data-driven incentives framework.
Commenting Rationale below
I support the Incentives Detox Proposal, which wisely advocates for a three-month pause to reassess and refine the Arbitrum DAO’s incentive programs. This break is crucial for analyzing past initiatives, improving accountability, and designing a more effective, data-driven incentives framework.
The proposal’s emphasis on forming a dedicated working group is a key strength, ensuring that diverse stakeholders contribute to a well-rounded, long-term strategy. Flexibility in the detox period and clearer objectives for future programs are necessary to align with the DAO’s broader goals and remain competitive in the ecosystem.
I believe the new incentives proposal should closely tie to growth objectives, recognizing that incentives are merely a tool to drive broader ecosystem development. This initiative represents a strategic step towards more sustainable growth for Arbitrum.
See Voting Rationale, here: https://forum.arbitrum.foundation/t/alex-lumley-savvy-dao-delegate-communication-thread/26147/2
Discussed in other venues, but sharing here as well. Probably need a rebranded name before onchain vote something like Benefit Reflection Period or something.
a) I think there are like <50 ppl on this earth that could manage a program to collect, interpret, analyze, and prepare all the data to create a reformed Incentive Program. We need to break it down into multiple sub projects and baby step through each milestone. Not sure 3mo is even enough time to coordinate and complete this exercise.
We are in full support of this. There are too many programs right now that have substantially been putting constant downwards pressure on the token price. We think that this Detox will allow for the token to recover a bit and see how well adoption can be naturally achieved.
A few points we want to look at are:
We are in full support of this. There are too many programs right now that have substantially been putting constant downwards pressure on the token price. We think that this Detox will allow for the token to recover a bit and see how well adoption can be naturally achieved.
A few points we want to look at are:
Camelot is voting FOR this proposal.
Contrary to popular belief, not all protocols want incentives to be indiscriminately funneled into the chain; they want it done in a way that is fair and beneficial for all participants. We believe that more specific and tailored rules should be created to better serve users, meet the economic and growth goals of the DAO, and avoid secondary detrimental effects on protocols.
Camelot is voting FOR this proposal.
Contrary to popular belief, not all protocols want incentives to be indiscriminately funneled into the chain; they want it done in a way that is fair and beneficial for all participants. We believe that more specific and tailored rules should be created to better serve users, meet the economic and growth goals of the DAO, and avoid secondary detrimental effects on protocols.
Specifically, any incentive program should avoid fostering mechanisms where protocols in the same category start a race to the bottom on fees, rebates, or other economic parameters. This situation is generally unsustainable and unrealistic, as the costs are effectively subsidized by the grant itself and thus by the DAO. It also creates an environment where protocols deployed on non-Arbitrum chains can maintain a revenue stream while driving our chain’s portion to zero. In this sense, we appreciate, for example, the gentleman’s agreement for perpetual protocols where the rebating of fees was capped at 75% across all protocols. We should aim for similar rules for several categories of protocols.
There is also an overarching need to read and reflect on data reports. Blockworks is doing a great job analyzing the first STIP results, and we hope every member of the DAO with an opinion on incentive programs will take the time to read the reports, even if they are complex. We need to incorporate all of these findings into future programs. We also need to be aware that receiving this type of data months after a program has closed, while positive, can have a limited impact compared to having data analyzed during the different phases of the program, including when it is live.
We support this proposal as it provide a sensible 3-month pause on the incentive programs. This break allows for a thorough analysis of current data to develop a more effective and sustainable long-term incentive strategy. Such a measured, data-driven approach is essential for ensuring the best use of resources and the overall health of the Arbitrum ecosystem.
We're voting FOR this proposal. A pause allows for critical reflection on our incentive strategies. We're keen to see a diverse auditing working group appointed (Council of Finance?!), ensuring a comprehensive analysis that goes beyond surface-level metrics. This approach should yield valuable insights for future decision-making.
I fully support this proposal. I believe that a 3-months break to analyse the effectiveness of incentives is essential. The evaluation step is a key element for every program in order to see how to improve it. The DAO needs to adopt a long-term approach and this proposal goals in that direction, allowing us to work on an efficient strategy to use its resources in the best way possible.
I am voting FOR this proposal.
When the STIP Bridge proposal was launched, I strongly opposed its implementation.
https://forum.arbitrum.foundation/t/double-down-on-stip-successes-stip-bridge/22353/27?u=pedrob
Discussed in other venues, but sharing here as well. Probably need a rebranded name before onchain vote something like Benefit Reflection Period or something.
a) I think there are like <50 ppl on this earth that could manage a program to collect, interpret, analyze, and prepare all the data to create a reformed Incentive Program. We need to break it down into multiple sub projects and baby step through each milestone. Not sure 3mo is even enough time to coordinate and complete this exercise.
b) We over-index on the micro; we need to focus on the meso/macro. All the analysis i’ve seen is at the project level, it should be at the arb1 level and vs the competition. We should start here, cause if our programs are returning better KPIs/OKRs, then what we have been doing has actually been a success. Meso/Macro analysis should be the Deliverable during the “Benefit Reflection Period” aka detox.
My Recommendation is also that the incentive working group should focus on the deliverables we want to see at the Micro/Meso/Macro Level. Then allow open submission with multiple bounties on those deliverables. Then the working group can vote on the winners. I think this would lead to a better outcome than a single entity performing the analysis, given I believe the solution this proposal is looking for is an incredibly complex problem.
I'll abstain for now cause this is probably more of a social contract or informal agreement. I need to think more about formalizing it.
I am voting FOR this proposal.
When the STIP Bridge proposal was launched, I strongly opposed its implementation.
https://forum.arbitrum.foundation/t/double-down-on-stip-successes-stip-bridge/22353/27?u=pedrob
The data on the STIP results was not available, and the distribution of incentives for the LTIPP had not yet begun. There was no data-based justification (and there still isn't) for renewing the STIP by 50%. This was approved, even with allowed incentives criteria different from those applied by the LTIPP Council to approve or reject proposals.
The main justification for its approval was that we had to compete against other L2s that also offer incentives. I think there was also a fear of internal competition among protocols because the beneficiaries of the LTIPP were not the same as those of the STIP.
Now we have an analysis and conclusions from @BlockworksResearch report on the STIP performance, which I invite everyone to read:
Most spot and perp DEX STIP recipients’ top-line metrics fell notably after the STIP ended and are currently around levels seen in September 2023. There are a few outperformers, generally younger, differentiated protocols that outgrew the market during the STIP and have successfully managed to maintain activity and capital in the long term.
Excluding the outperformers, the absolute change in TVL/Volume achieved per ARB utilized to increase these metrics directly has widely converged between protocols in the same verticals.
Overall, during the STIP, Arbitrum’s market share growth across major blockchains peaked at ~0% for TVL, ~5% for spot volume, ~12% for perp volume, and ~0% for loans outstanding. The market shares are currently at around September 2023 values, except for TVL, which is down from ~6% to ~4%.
Also, after B.STIP was approved, the LTIPP also faced criticism and questioning in its process. As part of the workstream, we identified along the way some design flaws that could have improved the experience for applicants. However, to conduct a thorough analysis, we need to wait until the process is complete and we have all the data available.
As I stated when opposed to STIP bridge, now we need to wait for the data from the B.STIP and LTIPP to become available and require the cooperation of incentive recipients -reports and final reports- in their analyses to build the appropriate program:
Many protocols missed several bi-weekly reports or didn’t post them at all. Around 35% of all STIP recipients didn’t post a final report. For the bi-weekly reports, only a handful of projects discussed protocol-related events and developments that might have explained growth that had materialized. Instead, it was more usual that projects would only present some high-level KPIs and how they planned to use incentives in the coming two weeks across different allocation buckets, meaning that it was sometimes difficult to understand drastic changes in figures purely based on information provided on the forum.
For this reason, I believe the use of the word "detox" is appropriate. It is not a detox from using incentives as a mechanism for growth, diversification of the treasury, and competition against other L2s. What has been done so far has had value and provides us with sufficient data to move forward.
It is a detox from the hasty deployment of incentives without proper analysis, and an acknowledgment that we need time to understand how to prepare an appropriate system.
Finally, I agree with other comments that it is not necessary to set a specific deadline. We should take whatever time is needed to gain clarity on the data and the path forward.
The following reflects the views of L2BEAT’s governance team, composed of @krst and @Sinkas, and it’s based on the combined research, fact-checking, and ideation of the two.
As we are the proposers here we obviously support the initiative and therefore we're voting FOR it.
The following reflects the views of L2BEAT’s governance team, composed of @krst and @Sinkas, and it’s based on the combined research, fact-checking, and ideation of the two.
As we are the proposers here we obviously support the initiative and therefore we're voting FOR it.
At the same time, we commit to bootstrapping the working group as soon as possible and working constructively to ensure that we deliver an improved program as soon as possible.
I will vote YES and fully support this proposal. It is crucial to take a look at past fundings, programs incentive programs to see and analyze their efficiency. Otherwise the DAO will never know where the focus should be and where spending wasn't useful and not effective at all.
I fully support this proposal. The rationale behind it is solid—taking a deliberate pause to analyze and optimize future incentive programs based on comprehensive data and stakeholder feedback ensures that resources are used effectively. This approach aligns with long-term ecosystem growth and sustainability.
Blockworks Research is voting FOR this proposal on Snapshot.
We deeply agree with the sentiment found in this proposal which is that we need to overhaul our incentives and review over prior material and results found over the last few months. Additionally, we would like to say our door is open for teamwork to explore possible designs and compliance methods. As stated by other delegates in discussions elsewhere, it might be best to do a presentation on the results found in prior work with ARDC materials, STIP, and LTIP so that the greater delegate-base has an understanding of what is occurring.
Blockworks Research is voting FOR this proposal on Snapshot.
We deeply agree with the sentiment found in this proposal which is that we need to overhaul our incentives and review over prior material and results found over the last few months. Additionally, we would like to say our door is open for teamwork to explore possible designs and compliance methods. As stated by other delegates in discussions elsewhere, it might be best to do a presentation on the results found in prior work with ARDC materials, STIP, and LTIP so that the greater delegate-base has an understanding of what is occurring.
Furthermore, we would like to bring a general question to all delegates which is what should we be looking at acquiring from these incentive programs beyond users (short term and long term) and we would like to open a question of whether there's room for involvement with Arbitrum Orbit chains.
I support the Incentives Detox Proposal. Taking a three-month break to thoroughly analyze previous incentive programs and design a new, long-term strategy based on data and learnings is essential for ensuring the effectiveness and sustainability of our incentive initiatives. This reflective period will help create a more impactful and efficient program for the future growth of the Arbitrum ecosystem.
This is clearly needed - thank you @Sinkas and @krst for getting the ball rolling. I initially shared others' concerns about the implications/perception of calling this a detox but ultimately the way to address that is by delivering the proposed outcomes, not by getting sidetracked into debates about naming.
One deliverable I would love to see is some kind of public report of findings from whoever does the work of integrating across the individual programs' documentation. That would be great for delegates to have but would also be a great marketing deliverable for the ecosystem to demonstrate that we're serious about sustainability.
2 months 3 months 4 months No Detox
2 months 3 months 4 months No Detox
We didn't want to complicate this too much. And three months here are not enforceable anyway, so if we come up with a program structure that we will be convinced to be a better and more sustainable one then obviously we don't have to wait whole three months, although I have some reservations about whether three months will be enough to work it through so I see those three months as a kind of ambitious deadline within which we (as a DAO) should come to conclusions
After examining the conversation further, we would like to question the notion of creating a new working group for the DAO to conclude new incentive design/approaches. Our ARDC work has extensively discussed this, and we would like to ask all to review the work already published (we have an included TLDR section for those that are busy). In light of this, we think that it may be somewhat excessive to create a new working group rather than simply taking a break for 3 months, pushing for new treasury management initiatives, and discussing to new incentive compliance rules, etc. Given the work that the ARDC has already done, this might be best left as an ARDC deliverable rather than spawning a new working group.
There is definitely a noticeable uptick in L2 traction from other competitors that we have seen in the past year, with incentive programs being launched as we speak (Linea with its points program, etc). There are also ecosystem players elsewhere that are focusing on other verticals to onboard users (account abstraction, etc) that may be worth incentivizing in some way as well.
After examining the conversation further, we would like to question the notion of creating a new working group for the DAO to conclude new incentive design/approaches. Our ARDC work has extensively discussed this, and we would like to ask all to review the work already published (we have an included TLDR section for those that are busy). In light of this, we think that it may be somewhat excessive to create a new working group rather than simply taking a break for 3 months, pushing for new treasury management initiatives, and discussing to new incentive compliance rules, etc. Given the work that the ARDC has already done, this might be best left as an ARDC deliverable rather than spawning a new working group.
There is definitely a noticeable uptick in L2 traction from other competitors that we have seen in the past year, with incentive programs being launched as we speak (Linea with its points program, etc). There are also ecosystem players elsewhere that are focusing on other verticals to onboard users (account abstraction, etc) that may be worth incentivizing in some way as well.
Additionally, in reference to a possible perpetual incentive program, it may be better to allocate the feasibility/operational analysis of that to the ARDC and then examine preexisting incentive mechanisms and then issue a new compliance ruleset accordingly. Some other things that we may need to consider is whether there should be some incentive program allocation matching. If a protocol applies for STIP, maybe they should be required to put up some of their capital as well so that the risk is not entirely on the DAO. It might not be best practice for the DAO to completely subsidize activity. Finally, if we are to discuss a perpetual incentive program, it may be time to open a greater conversation on what ArbitrumDAO and Arbitrum receive beyond acquired users.
We have a greater deliverable on our findings with STIP/revenue coming soon, and we will revisit this forum discussion once published. Here’s what we can say right now: there is some evidence that revenue was attributable to STIP, though there should be an operational overhaul regardless.
Here are some of the incentive designs we witnessed and their percentage of STIP allocation:
Requires for sure a comment.
Is ok imho to be working on a program, as a collective, that is "better" than previous ones.
I only see one problem which I already stated loud in other communications channels:
Requires for sure a comment.
Is ok imho to be working on a program, as a collective, that is "better" than previous ones.
I only see one problem which I already stated loud in other communications channels:
Would also like to point out that the LTIPP council, advisors and PM are still working on possible future iterations of the program, even if at a slower pace compared to the initial plan.
Finally, a consideration. This is what was written in the Stip bridge proposal, and was a specific request from delegates who didn't want to bother on having to do too many discussions at the time of renewal of the program.
While making a 3 months pause goes in the opposite direction of what was previously stated, even if just as a possibility, I am glad we can take the time to improve the program(s) in a way that make sense for both the DAO, the Protocols and the Users. Our goal is to understand what each of these stakeholders want, and find a common ground.
Let's make Arbitrum Grant Programs something that other DAOs have never even dreamt of.
This is way overdue. Glad to see L2beat initiating this. @Matt_StableLab should defo take part this as the PM or could act as the facilitator since he has a large insight into these programs before we move forward to making the next version of incentives.
Thanks, Sinkas and the L2Beat team, I totally agree with this idea. We need to stop giving rewards that don't really help and focus on supporting projects that actually make Arbitrum better. It's important to collect and look at data before, during, and after giving rewards to see if they really help. We've needed to rethink our reward programs for a while, and this is a great chance to make a solid plan for the future. We should have higher standards for what gets approved and make sure everything we do is of high quality. Taking three months to review everything will help us come up with better rules and plans. I think this proposal is a big step toward making Arbitrum grow in a good way.
I appreciate the L2Beat governance team for putting this proposal together. This is a highly controversial topic, and it's not easy to be the ones to stick your neck out. After all, who doesn't like incentives?
Even as someone who spends 100% of their working time dedicated to the Arbitrum DAO, I have admittedly not had the chance to read all of the incentive program analysis materials. Setting aside a dedicated period of time (as suggested in this proposal) to evaluate the efficacy of incentives via a working group is an idea I strongly support. I am 100% in favor of a perpetual incentives program, but it is imperative that we throughouly analyze what has and hasn't worked over the past 3 incentive programs so we implement an optimal design.
The following reflects the views of L2BEAT’s governance team, composed of @krst and @Sinkas, and it’s based on the combined research, fact-checking, and ideation of the two.
First of all, we want to thank everyone who has taken the time to read our proposal and provide feedback or express their opinion. To us, an important aspect of the proposal itself is to drive constructive discussion and get as many stakeholders as possible involved in creating a perpetual incentive program.
Hello, my cents:
This is a really needed time to reflect about the previous programs and dive into the data. However, I see some comments questioning the detox duration.
IWould be possible to create the snapshot with different options, so we can gauge which one is preferred? These are also arbitrary numbers, but bearing in mind that one month would be too short, I suggest having:
The LTIPP workstream, which consists of the 5 Council members @404DAO, @coinflip (GMX), @GFXlabs, @karelvuong, @WintermuteGovernance, 3 Advisors @CastleCapital, @SEEDGov, @JoJo, and the PM @Matt_StableLab has been meeting and will continue to meet bi-weekly to discuss lessons learned from the ongoing incentives plans and develop a plan for a long-term incentive framework, as per our mandate in the LTIPP proposal.
Thanks @Sinkas for putting together this proposal. We largely agree with the sentiment and substance of the proposal.
Reasons to Support:
Thanks @Sinkas for putting together this proposal. We largely agree with the sentiment and substance of the proposal.
Reasons to Support:
A Few Worries:
When the Arbitrum Incentives Working Group was paused, there was interest from multiple parties to continue the working group meeting with rotating leadership. However, we also agree with @DisruptionJoe that this role is best serviced by a paid and directly accountable individual.
Hello @Sinkas
As advisors in LTIPP and STIP Bridge, we support 100% this proposal.
Hello @Sinkas
As advisors in LTIPP and STIP Bridge, we support 100% this proposal.
We have seen protocols that have managed to retain users and even grow post-incentives, others that without incentives don't seem to get traction, and some that have even distributed ARB among a few. The important thing is that as a result of these experiences, we can establish clear guidelines both for assigning incentives and for measuring the performance of a campaign. Just to mention one thing, during LTIPP priority was given to protocols that distribute incentives directly to users. While this makes sense in most cases, some protocols may well generate benefits to the ecosystem without necessarily distributing ARBs directly to their users. An example of this is the Bridges, most of which ended up being guided to propose to subsidize gas, when in reality there are sometimes slippage or solver costs that are significantly higher for the user. This is why the next program needs a clear, broad, and flexible framework to avoid force distribution mechanisms with little impact. It is also important to establish appropriate monitoring so that timely action can be taken, without which we are limited to taking action when it is too late.
While it is true that incentives are important for the growth of protocols and the ecosystem, this should not imply that the DAO must continually spend funds without obtaining a conclusion (positive or not) from those expenditures.
Even though significant progress has been made with LTIPP, we not only see this ‘detox’ as an opportunity to regroup and launch a robust program that brings together all the lessons learned so far, but will also allow us to assess the retention of both capital and users in sufficient time so that we can conclude whether a protocol or the ecosystem itself grows organically or not after incentives.
SEEDGov is willing to be part of the working group and urges other interested parties to do the same.
Things have changed over the past few months, and the need for an incentive program that accounts for all the data that we have collected through the past programs has become apparent.
Discussed in other venues, but sharing here as well. Probably need a rebranded name before onchain vote something like Benefit Reflection Period or something.
a) I think there are like <50 ppl on this earth that could manage a program to collect, interpret, analyze, and prepare all the data to create a reformed Incentive Program. We need to break it down into multiple sub projects and baby step through each milestone. Not sure 3mo is even enough time to coordinate and complete this exercise.
b) We over-index on the micro; we need to focus on the meso/macro. All the analysis i’ve seen is at the project level, it should be at the arb1 level and vs the competition. We should start here, cause if our programs are returning better KPIs/OKRs, then what we have been doing has actually been a success. Meso/Macro analysis should be the Deliverable during the “Benefit Reflection Period” aka detox.
My Recommendation is also that the incentive working group should focus on the deliverables we want to see at the Micro/Meso/Macro Level. Then allow open submission with multiple bounties on those deliverables. Then the working group can vote on the winners. I think this would lead to a better outcome than a single entity performing the analysis, given I believe the solution this proposal is looking for is an incredibly complex problem.
I'll abstain for now cause this is probably more of a social contract or informal agreement. I need to think more about formalizing it.
I am voting FOR this proposal.
When the STIP Bridge proposal was launched, I strongly opposed its implementation.
https://forum.arbitrum.foundation/t/double-down-on-stip-successes-stip-bridge/22353/27?u=pedrob
The data on the STIP results was not available, and the distribution of incentives for the LTIPP had not yet begun. There was no data-based justification (and there still isn't) for renewing the STIP by 50%. This was approved, even with allowed incentives criteria different from those applied by the LTIPP Council to approve or reject proposals.
The main justification for its approval was that we had to compete against other L2s that also offer incentives. I think there was also a fear of internal competition among protocols because the beneficiaries of the LTIPP were not the same as those of the STIP.
Now we have an analysis and conclusions from @BlockworksResearch report on the STIP performance, which I invite everyone to read:
Most spot and perp DEX STIP recipients’ top-line metrics fell notably after the STIP ended and are currently around levels seen in September 2023. There are a few outperformers, generally younger, differentiated protocols that outgrew the market during the STIP and have successfully managed to maintain activity and capital in the long term.
Excluding the outperformers, the absolute change in TVL/Volume achieved per ARB utilized to increase these metrics directly has widely converged between protocols in the same verticals.
Overall, during the STIP, Arbitrum’s market share growth across major blockchains peaked at ~0% for TVL, ~5% for spot volume, ~12% for perp volume, and ~0% for loans outstanding. The market shares are currently at around September 2023 values, except for TVL, which is down from ~6% to ~4%.
Also, after B.STIP was approved, the LTIPP also faced criticism and questioning in its process. As part of the workstream, we identified along the way some design flaws that could have improved the experience for applicants. However, to conduct a thorough analysis, we need to wait until the process is complete and we have all the data available.
As I stated when opposed to STIP bridge, now we need to wait for the data from the B.STIP and LTIPP to become available and require the cooperation of incentive recipients -reports and final reports- in their analyses to build the appropriate program:
Many protocols missed several bi-weekly reports or didn’t post them at all. Around 35% of all STIP recipients didn’t post a final report. For the bi-weekly reports, only a handful of projects discussed protocol-related events and developments that might have explained growth that had materialized. Instead, it was more usual that projects would only present some high-level KPIs and how they planned to use incentives in the coming two weeks across different allocation buckets, meaning that it was sometimes difficult to understand drastic changes in figures purely based on information provided on the forum.
For this reason, I believe the use of the word "detox" is appropriate. It is not a detox from using incentives as a mechanism for growth, diversification of the treasury, and competition against other L2s. What has been done so far has had value and provides us with sufficient data to move forward.
It is a detox from the hasty deployment of incentives without proper analysis, and an acknowledgment that we need time to understand how to prepare an appropriate system.
Finally, I agree with other comments that it is not necessary to set a specific deadline. We should take whatever time is needed to gain clarity on the data and the path forward.
The following reflects the views of L2BEAT’s governance team, composed of @krst and @Sinkas, and it’s based on the combined research, fact-checking, and ideation of the two.
As we are the proposers here we obviously support the initiative and therefore we're voting FOR it.
The following reflects the views of L2BEAT’s governance team, composed of @krst and @Sinkas, and it’s based on the combined research, fact-checking, and ideation of the two.
As we are the proposers here we obviously support the initiative and therefore we're voting FOR it.
At the same time, we commit to bootstrapping the working group as soon as possible and working constructively to ensure that we deliver an improved program as soon as possible.
I will vote YES and fully support this proposal. It is crucial to take a look at past fundings, programs incentive programs to see and analyze their efficiency. Otherwise the DAO will never know where the focus should be and where spending wasn't useful and not effective at all.
I fully support this proposal. The rationale behind it is solid—taking a deliberate pause to analyze and optimize future incentive programs based on comprehensive data and stakeholder feedback ensures that resources are used effectively. This approach aligns with long-term ecosystem growth and sustainability.
Blockworks Research is voting FOR this proposal on Snapshot.
We deeply agree with the sentiment found in this proposal which is that we need to overhaul our incentives and review over prior material and results found over the last few months. Additionally, we would like to say our door is open for teamwork to explore possible designs and compliance methods. As stated by other delegates in discussions elsewhere, it might be best to do a presentation on the results found in prior work with ARDC materials, STIP, and LTIP so that the greater delegate-base has an understanding of what is occurring.
Blockworks Research is voting FOR this proposal on Snapshot.
We deeply agree with the sentiment found in this proposal which is that we need to overhaul our incentives and review over prior material and results found over the last few months. Additionally, we would like to say our door is open for teamwork to explore possible designs and compliance methods. As stated by other delegates in discussions elsewhere, it might be best to do a presentation on the results found in prior work with ARDC materials, STIP, and LTIP so that the greater delegate-base has an understanding of what is occurring.
Furthermore, we would like to bring a general question to all delegates which is what should we be looking at acquiring from these incentive programs beyond users (short term and long term) and we would like to open a question of whether there's room for involvement with Arbitrum Orbit chains.
I support the Incentives Detox Proposal. Taking a three-month break to thoroughly analyze previous incentive programs and design a new, long-term strategy based on data and learnings is essential for ensuring the effectiveness and sustainability of our incentive initiatives. This reflective period will help create a more impactful and efficient program for the future growth of the Arbitrum ecosystem.
This is clearly needed - thank you @Sinkas and @krst for getting the ball rolling. I initially shared others' concerns about the implications/perception of calling this a detox but ultimately the way to address that is by delivering the proposed outcomes, not by getting sidetracked into debates about naming.
One deliverable I would love to see is some kind of public report of findings from whoever does the work of integrating across the individual programs' documentation. That would be great for delegates to have but would also be a great marketing deliverable for the ecosystem to demonstrate that we're serious about sustainability.
2 months 3 months 4 months No Detox
2 months 3 months 4 months No Detox
We didn't want to complicate this too much. And three months here are not enforceable anyway, so if we come up with a program structure that we will be convinced to be a better and more sustainable one then obviously we don't have to wait whole three months, although I have some reservations about whether three months will be enough to work it through so I see those three months as a kind of ambitious deadline within which we (as a DAO) should come to conclusions
After examining the conversation further, we would like to question the notion of creating a new working group for the DAO to conclude new incentive design/approaches. Our ARDC work has extensively discussed this, and we would like to ask all to review the work already published (we have an included TLDR section for those that are busy). In light of this, we think that it may be somewhat excessive to create a new working group rather than simply taking a break for 3 months, pushing for new treasury management initiatives, and discussing to new incentive compliance rules, etc. Given the work that the ARDC has already done, this might be best left as an ARDC deliverable rather than spawning a new working group.
There is definitely a noticeable uptick in L2 traction from other competitors that we have seen in the past year, with incentive programs being launched as we speak (Linea with its points program, etc). There are also ecosystem players elsewhere that are focusing on other verticals to onboard users (account abstraction, etc) that may be worth incentivizing in some way as well.
After examining the conversation further, we would like to question the notion of creating a new working group for the DAO to conclude new incentive design/approaches. Our ARDC work has extensively discussed this, and we would like to ask all to review the work already published (we have an included TLDR section for those that are busy). In light of this, we think that it may be somewhat excessive to create a new working group rather than simply taking a break for 3 months, pushing for new treasury management initiatives, and discussing to new incentive compliance rules, etc. Given the work that the ARDC has already done, this might be best left as an ARDC deliverable rather than spawning a new working group.
There is definitely a noticeable uptick in L2 traction from other competitors that we have seen in the past year, with incentive programs being launched as we speak (Linea with its points program, etc). There are also ecosystem players elsewhere that are focusing on other verticals to onboard users (account abstraction, etc) that may be worth incentivizing in some way as well.
Additionally, in reference to a possible perpetual incentive program, it may be better to allocate the feasibility/operational analysis of that to the ARDC and then examine preexisting incentive mechanisms and then issue a new compliance ruleset accordingly. Some other things that we may need to consider is whether there should be some incentive program allocation matching. If a protocol applies for STIP, maybe they should be required to put up some of their capital as well so that the risk is not entirely on the DAO. It might not be best practice for the DAO to completely subsidize activity. Finally, if we are to discuss a perpetual incentive program, it may be time to open a greater conversation on what ArbitrumDAO and Arbitrum receive beyond acquired users.
We have a greater deliverable on our findings with STIP/revenue coming soon, and we will revisit this forum discussion once published. Here’s what we can say right now: there is some evidence that revenue was attributable to STIP, though there should be an operational overhaul regardless.
Here are some of the incentive designs we witnessed and their percentage of STIP allocation:
Requires for sure a comment.
Is ok imho to be working on a program, as a collective, that is "better" than previous ones.
I only see one problem which I already stated loud in other communications channels:
Requires for sure a comment.
Is ok imho to be working on a program, as a collective, that is "better" than previous ones.
I only see one problem which I already stated loud in other communications channels:
Would also like to point out that the LTIPP council, advisors and PM are still working on possible future iterations of the program, even if at a slower pace compared to the initial plan.
Finally, a consideration. This is what was written in the Stip bridge proposal, and was a specific request from delegates who didn't want to bother on having to do too many discussions at the time of renewal of the program.
While making a 3 months pause goes in the opposite direction of what was previously stated, even if just as a possibility, I am glad we can take the time to improve the program(s) in a way that make sense for both the DAO, the Protocols and the Users. Our goal is to understand what each of these stakeholders want, and find a common ground.
Let's make Arbitrum Grant Programs something that other DAOs have never even dreamt of.
This is way overdue. Glad to see L2beat initiating this. @Matt_StableLab should defo take part this as the PM or could act as the facilitator since he has a large insight into these programs before we move forward to making the next version of incentives.
Thanks, Sinkas and the L2Beat team, I totally agree with this idea. We need to stop giving rewards that don't really help and focus on supporting projects that actually make Arbitrum better. It's important to collect and look at data before, during, and after giving rewards to see if they really help. We've needed to rethink our reward programs for a while, and this is a great chance to make a solid plan for the future. We should have higher standards for what gets approved and make sure everything we do is of high quality. Taking three months to review everything will help us come up with better rules and plans. I think this proposal is a big step toward making Arbitrum grow in a good way.
I appreciate the L2Beat governance team for putting this proposal together. This is a highly controversial topic, and it's not easy to be the ones to stick your neck out. After all, who doesn't like incentives?
Even as someone who spends 100% of their working time dedicated to the Arbitrum DAO, I have admittedly not had the chance to read all of the incentive program analysis materials. Setting aside a dedicated period of time (as suggested in this proposal) to evaluate the efficacy of incentives via a working group is an idea I strongly support. I am 100% in favor of a perpetual incentives program, but it is imperative that we throughouly analyze what has and hasn't worked over the past 3 incentive programs so we implement an optimal design.
The following reflects the views of L2BEAT’s governance team, composed of @krst and @Sinkas, and it’s based on the combined research, fact-checking, and ideation of the two.
First of all, we want to thank everyone who has taken the time to read our proposal and provide feedback or express their opinion. To us, an important aspect of the proposal itself is to drive constructive discussion and get as many stakeholders as possible involved in creating a perpetual incentive program.
Hello, my cents:
This is a really needed time to reflect about the previous programs and dive into the data. However, I see some comments questioning the detox duration.
IWould be possible to create the snapshot with different options, so we can gauge which one is preferred? These are also arbitrary numbers, but bearing in mind that one month would be too short, I suggest having:
The LTIPP workstream, which consists of the 5 Council members @404DAO, @coinflip (GMX), @GFXlabs, @karelvuong, @WintermuteGovernance, 3 Advisors @CastleCapital, @SEEDGov, @JoJo, and the PM @Matt_StableLab has been meeting and will continue to meet bi-weekly to discuss lessons learned from the ongoing incentives plans and develop a plan for a long-term incentive framework, as per our mandate in the LTIPP proposal.
Thanks @Sinkas for putting together this proposal. We largely agree with the sentiment and substance of the proposal.
Reasons to Support:
Thanks @Sinkas for putting together this proposal. We largely agree with the sentiment and substance of the proposal.
Reasons to Support:
A Few Worries:
When the Arbitrum Incentives Working Group was paused, there was interest from multiple parties to continue the working group meeting with rotating leadership. However, we also agree with @DisruptionJoe that this role is best serviced by a paid and directly accountable individual.
Hello @Sinkas
As advisors in LTIPP and STIP Bridge, we support 100% this proposal.
Hello @Sinkas
As advisors in LTIPP and STIP Bridge, we support 100% this proposal.
We have seen protocols that have managed to retain users and even grow post-incentives, others that without incentives don't seem to get traction, and some that have even distributed ARB among a few. The important thing is that as a result of these experiences, we can establish clear guidelines both for assigning incentives and for measuring the performance of a campaign. Just to mention one thing, during LTIPP priority was given to protocols that distribute incentives directly to users. While this makes sense in most cases, some protocols may well generate benefits to the ecosystem without necessarily distributing ARBs directly to their users. An example of this is the Bridges, most of which ended up being guided to propose to subsidize gas, when in reality there are sometimes slippage or solver costs that are significantly higher for the user. This is why the next program needs a clear, broad, and flexible framework to avoid force distribution mechanisms with little impact. It is also important to establish appropriate monitoring so that timely action can be taken, without which we are limited to taking action when it is too late.
While it is true that incentives are important for the growth of protocols and the ecosystem, this should not imply that the DAO must continually spend funds without obtaining a conclusion (positive or not) from those expenditures.
Even though significant progress has been made with LTIPP, we not only see this ‘detox’ as an opportunity to regroup and launch a robust program that brings together all the lessons learned so far, but will also allow us to assess the retention of both capital and users in sufficient time so that we can conclude whether a protocol or the ecosystem itself grows organically or not after incentives.
SEEDGov is willing to be part of the working group and urges other interested parties to do the same.
Things have changed over the past few months, and the need for an incentive program that accounts for all the data that we have collected through the past programs has become apparent.
I appreciate the L2Beat governance team for putting this proposal together. This is a highly controversial topic, and it's not easy to be the ones to stick your neck out. After all, who doesn't like incentives?
Even as someone who spends 100% of their working time dedicated to the Arbitrum DAO, I have admittedly not had the chance to read all of the incentive program analysis materials. Setting aside a dedicated period of time (as suggested in this proposal) to evaluate the efficacy of incentives via a working group is an idea I strongly support. I am 100% in favor of a perpetual incentives program, but it is imperative that we throughouly analyze what has and hasn't worked over the past 3 incentive programs so we implement an optimal design.
I am excited to partake in these working group calls and look forward to what we can collectively come up with. It may hurt a little bit in the short term, but I feel confident we will look back in hindsight and be thankful for the brief pause being proposed here.
The following reflects the views of L2BEAT’s governance team, composed of @krst and @Sinkas, and it’s based on the combined research, fact-checking, and ideation of the two.
First of all, we want to thank everyone who has taken the time to read our proposal and provide feedback or express their opinion. To us, an important aspect of the proposal itself is to drive constructive discussion and get as many stakeholders as possible involved in creating a perpetual incentive program.
While we understand the narrative that could emerge should such a proposal go to Snapshot and become ‘formal’, we do not think that the perception will be as negative. If anything, the narrative could be that ‘Arbitrum is working on a perpetual incentives program based on the lessons learned from incentives programs so far’.
Furthermore, the reason we want this to be a Snapshot proposal and not just a type of verbal agreement is that we want it to act as a commitment from delegates and other contributors to participate in the discussion and relevant working group.
The timeline is indeed arbitrary and doesn’t guarantee anything other than that we’ll have a predetermined window of time to focus on moving the needle toward creating a perpetual incentives program. Given that the whole proposal is mostly a social agreement, the timeline can be shorter or longer as needed. The reason we proposed 3 months is that it takes approximately that much to realistically move something in a meaningful way through the governance process.
As noted in the original post, there have already been multiple efforts to collect, analyze, and publish takeaways from the different incentive programs so far. Our opinion of what the working group should do now is to focus on discussing those takeaways and distilling the insights into an actionable program.
Quick clarification, in the context of the detox, do we mean that this proposal includes any additional non-constitutional incentive proposal that may be posted during the period + the renewal of existing ones?
Correct, the detox is about any and all incentive programs/proposals, be it new ones, or the renewal of existing ones.
However, it is worth considering gathering a team of delegates to discuss now, rather than waiting until September 17th.
The goal, as stated in the proposal, is to put together the working group if and when this proposal passes. We’re planning on going to Snapshot on Thursday 1st of August, which means that if the proposal garners the necessary support, we’ll start gathering the working group on August 8th - more than a month before LTIPP/STIP-Bridge end.
“better” doesn’t mean anything if we don’t know the specific metric; at the cost of pounding the table, I am really looking for the vision article and temp check from @Entropy; will help us not only in properly sizing future programs and structures, but also to understand how an incentive program can be a facilitator of any vision we decide to have
The proposed break from incentives will give us an opportunity to take things like that into account when creating a future perpetual program. With quantitative data now in hand, we can shift our discussion on interpretation of that data from a qualitative standpoint.
We’d be happy for the existing incentives working group to lead this discussion, but it seems that it has become inactive after the last incentive programs (LTIPP/STIP-Bridge) were introduced. A testament to that is that they didn’t engage with our post sharing our thoughts on a perpetual incentives program. Furthermore, even if they are active, they do not seem to interface as much as we feel is needed with the DAO. Instead, if the group is indeed active, they operate behind closed doors.
As far as the ARDC is concerned, there’s simply not enough time to undertake leading the conversation around the creation of a perpetual incentives program, given that the ARDC’s mandate concludes at the start of October (if not sooner because of the situation around funding). The ARDC has carried out a lot of research that the working group can refer to, and perhaps it can remain involved until it concludes.
In the spirit of transparency, we would be happy to start hosting more public calls and encourage feedback from delegates interested in helping with incentives. However, our workstream should continue to drive the design of the next incentives program.
Our idea for reviving the working group was that we’d facilitate its kickstart, and then someone else would take the lead while we remain involved in our capacity as delegates. Our main concern is making the working group open & transparent, and enabling more people to get involved in different relevant areas.
We're more than happy to discuss this proposal further during our Arbitrum Office Hours this Thursday 1st of August at 3pm UTC in this link.
Hello, my cents:
This is a really needed time to reflect about the previous programs and dive into the data. However, I see some comments questioning the detox duration.
IWould be possible to create the snapshot with different options, so we can gauge which one is preferred? These are also arbitrary numbers, but bearing in mind that one month would be too short, I suggest having:
2 months 3 months 4 months No Detox
That way, there is an option for those wanting a shorter or a longer period. And make it sure that after this period, there is a proposal, even if it is: No changes in the current setup (steps 6 and 7 of your proposal). Not really a fan of extending it without an additional vote.
The LTIPP workstream, which consists of the 5 Council members @404DAO, @coinflip (GMX), @GFXlabs, @karelvuong, @WintermuteGovernance, 3 Advisors @CastleCapital, @SEEDGov, @JoJo, and the PM @Matt_StableLab has been meeting and will continue to meet bi-weekly to discuss lessons learned from the ongoing incentives plans and develop a plan for a long-term incentive framework, as per our mandate in the LTIPP proposal.
We acknowledge the change in conditions in the DAO regarding what delegates would like to see concerning the scope and timing of future incentive programs. This post will serve to update the community on where we currently stand and what we believe needs to happen in the DAO before future incentive programs can commence.
While we believe that general incentives are important, a one-size-fits-all incentive program has proven limited in flexibility, duration, and effectiveness. For this reason, we believe the focus of future programs should shift towards multiple smaller objective-based incentive programs running concurrently within the larger incentive infrastructure.
We believe this will bring the following benefits:
This modularity might also translate into different incentive programs and further internal differentiations of rules and mechanisms based, for example, on the protocol's maturity, past achieved results, and other metrics.
The DAO has never decided what specific goals we are trying to achieve with incentives other than generally growing the Arbitrum Ecosystem. This has made it hard to measure the program's success and for the council to decide what kind of applicants they should accept. For an overarching incentives framework, we believe it is imperative to have clear objectives so that we can integrate KPIs throughout the program to measure whether we are achieving our goals. This ties in with the definition of Vision, Mission, and Strategy that @Entropy is working on and that we are eager to assess in the optic of having incentive programs as a powerful driver of the above.
Since previous incentive programs lacked clear objectives, it can be hard to identify ineffective or malicious actors. In addition to implementing clear KPIs, we envision the establishment of an oversight mechanism to continually evaluate the program's progress and identify which parts are failing to meet their milestones so adjustments can be made. To accomplish this, we must have live dashboards from the beginning of the incentives and a clear mandate for how we will use this data to alter the incentives framework.
Additionally, a watchdog, on-chain sleuth role is needed to identify any misuse of funds in real-time and present any findings to an oversight council so we can stop these streams as issues arise.
Marketing has never been a part of the program. This led to reduced visibility and awareness of the program from both users and protocols and has stifled our ability to attract new users. The recent addition of the "Rewards" page on the official Arbitrum Portal is a good step towards driving greater awareness. However, we can surely do better to bring more attention to users and protocols. The marketing aspect has to be baked into the proposal to guarantee we have a legitimate marketing strategy bringing users to these incentives.
As a DAO, we need to decide what our goals for the future are. Are we trying to attract the most users, the largest users, new protocols, or existing protocols on other chains? The DAO must reach a consensus on what we are trying to accomplish. This can be achieved either by a team like Entropy or via the DAO as a whole. However, we must have a concrete vision to design a program that works toward this vision accurately. If the DAO cannot produce a complete vision in time for the next program, we must at least have clear objectives the DAO would like to accomplish via incentives so that those overseeing the creation of programs and distribution can properly focus efforts. This will also help us establish clear KPIs and milestones to measure success and hold the incentives program accountable more effectively.
Since the last program, the DAO has added the ARDC and is discussing other infrastructure, such as the OpCo. We must figure out how these new additions can best support an incentives program so we can leverage this already-funded talent to support the incentives program with research, analytics, and accountability.
The LTIPP allowed protocols to experiment more with incentive designs and included the advisor role to help protocols implement exciting new incentive plans. Research into the success of these new designs will be published shortly by OpenBlock and the LTIPP bounties. Additionally, qualitative surveys regarding protocols’ experiences were a part of the STIP.B application. Analyzing this data will be crucial for designing a future program so we can provide recommendations for protocols regarding which mechanisms have been effective in the past.
We are open to the idea of a detox as we recognize several things must happen before the next program is ready. However, we are unsure if a hard cap on when the following incentive program can start is necessary.
The LTIPP workstream plans to continue designing the basis of a framework for the next incentives program. We want to create the basic structure in the short term so that when additional data and clarity on the topics we mentioned earlier come in, we can easily integrate the findings into the new modular framework.
In the spirit of transparency, we would be happy to start hosting more public calls and encourage feedback from delegates interested in helping with incentives. However, our workstream should continue to drive the design of the next incentives program. Our workstream was elected by the DAO to focus on incentives and is made up of some of the most active members of the community. Working closely with the 100+ active incentives plans has taught us firsthand all the struggles and intricacies required to tackle a large-scale incentives program. Due to this intimate knowledge, we are in the best position to provide the DAO with a clear plan for the future of incentives on Arbitrum.
The end mission for this workstream is to present the DAO with a robust long-term incentive framework that it can implement and benefit from for the foreseeable future.
Things have changed over the past few months, and the need for an incentive program that accounts for all the data that we have collected through the past programs has become apparent.
Totally agree. This need for standardized reviews for accountability ACROSS programs is often missed in our pluralist grants proposals. Many see it as an unnecessary expense because running a single program or a centralized program does not require this process. While liquidity incentive programs have been funded from outsode the ThankArb and Questbook ecosystem allocation programs, it is no different in regard to this need.
L2BEAT does not wish to lead the working group, and we’d instead prefer to facilitate its creation and then step back and participate in it as delegates by providing our feedback and opinions. We do commit, however, to remaining active in the working group and helping drive the discussion forward.
I believe it is effective to pay the person who organizes and catherds through this process. Facillitation is a skill and finding the best outcomes depends on it being done well.
Perhaps you include a 20k ARB payment for 3 months of facilitation. This could be sent to ThankARB and paid weekly with decentralized validation.
Overall, thanks for this proposal. It isn't easy to push against the current.
We believe that it's somewhat overdue that we have some sort of reevaluation period to let all of our findings on incentives sink in before we pursue other ventures. Especially after finding actors that have misused funds. And given the findings, we think that there might be room to give more explicit recommendations for incentive distribution. It also might be time to revisit what we get out of these incentive schemes beyond user acquisition. 3 months seems to be an ideal amount of time where within we can ideate on what greater structures need to be put in place for program accountability, alongside new compliance rules for incentives issuance based on research.
I support reviewing and improving the grant program into a permanent program.
Your motivation, it seems to me, is correct.
However, it is worth considering gathering a team of delegates to discuss now, rather than waiting until September 17th.
I support reviewing and improving the grant program into a permanent program.
Your motivation, it seems to me, is correct.
However, it is worth considering gathering a team of delegates to discuss now, rather than waiting until September 17th.
I am ready to take an active part in this group of delegates in working on a permanent incentive program.
I appreciate the L2Beat governance team for putting this proposal together. This is a highly controversial topic, and it's not easy to be the ones to stick your neck out. After all, who doesn't like incentives?
Even as someone who spends 100% of their working time dedicated to the Arbitrum DAO, I have admittedly not had the chance to read all of the incentive program analysis materials. Setting aside a dedicated period of time (as suggested in this proposal) to evaluate the efficacy of incentives via a working group is an idea I strongly support. I am 100% in favor of a perpetual incentives program, but it is imperative that we throughouly analyze what has and hasn't worked over the past 3 incentive programs so we implement an optimal design.
I am excited to partake in these working group calls and look forward to what we can collectively come up with. It may hurt a little bit in the short term, but I feel confident we will look back in hindsight and be thankful for the brief pause being proposed here.
The following reflects the views of L2BEAT’s governance team, composed of @krst and @Sinkas, and it’s based on the combined research, fact-checking, and ideation of the two.
First of all, we want to thank everyone who has taken the time to read our proposal and provide feedback or express their opinion. To us, an important aspect of the proposal itself is to drive constructive discussion and get as many stakeholders as possible involved in creating a perpetual incentive program.
While we understand the narrative that could emerge should such a proposal go to Snapshot and become ‘formal’, we do not think that the perception will be as negative. If anything, the narrative could be that ‘Arbitrum is working on a perpetual incentives program based on the lessons learned from incentives programs so far’.
Furthermore, the reason we want this to be a Snapshot proposal and not just a type of verbal agreement is that we want it to act as a commitment from delegates and other contributors to participate in the discussion and relevant working group.
The timeline is indeed arbitrary and doesn’t guarantee anything other than that we’ll have a predetermined window of time to focus on moving the needle toward creating a perpetual incentives program. Given that the whole proposal is mostly a social agreement, the timeline can be shorter or longer as needed. The reason we proposed 3 months is that it takes approximately that much to realistically move something in a meaningful way through the governance process.
As noted in the original post, there have already been multiple efforts to collect, analyze, and publish takeaways from the different incentive programs so far. Our opinion of what the working group should do now is to focus on discussing those takeaways and distilling the insights into an actionable program.
Quick clarification, in the context of the detox, do we mean that this proposal includes any additional non-constitutional incentive proposal that may be posted during the period + the renewal of existing ones?
Correct, the detox is about any and all incentive programs/proposals, be it new ones, or the renewal of existing ones.
However, it is worth considering gathering a team of delegates to discuss now, rather than waiting until September 17th.
The goal, as stated in the proposal, is to put together the working group if and when this proposal passes. We’re planning on going to Snapshot on Thursday 1st of August, which means that if the proposal garners the necessary support, we’ll start gathering the working group on August 8th - more than a month before LTIPP/STIP-Bridge end.
“better” doesn’t mean anything if we don’t know the specific metric; at the cost of pounding the table, I am really looking for the vision article and temp check from @Entropy; will help us not only in properly sizing future programs and structures, but also to understand how an incentive program can be a facilitator of any vision we decide to have
The proposed break from incentives will give us an opportunity to take things like that into account when creating a future perpetual program. With quantitative data now in hand, we can shift our discussion on interpretation of that data from a qualitative standpoint.
We’d be happy for the existing incentives working group to lead this discussion, but it seems that it has become inactive after the last incentive programs (LTIPP/STIP-Bridge) were introduced. A testament to that is that they didn’t engage with our post sharing our thoughts on a perpetual incentives program. Furthermore, even if they are active, they do not seem to interface as much as we feel is needed with the DAO. Instead, if the group is indeed active, they operate behind closed doors.
As far as the ARDC is concerned, there’s simply not enough time to undertake leading the conversation around the creation of a perpetual incentives program, given that the ARDC’s mandate concludes at the start of October (if not sooner because of the situation around funding). The ARDC has carried out a lot of research that the working group can refer to, and perhaps it can remain involved until it concludes.
In the spirit of transparency, we would be happy to start hosting more public calls and encourage feedback from delegates interested in helping with incentives. However, our workstream should continue to drive the design of the next incentives program.
Our idea for reviving the working group was that we’d facilitate its kickstart, and then someone else would take the lead while we remain involved in our capacity as delegates. Our main concern is making the working group open & transparent, and enabling more people to get involved in different relevant areas.
We're more than happy to discuss this proposal further during our Arbitrum Office Hours this Thursday 1st of August at 3pm UTC in this link.
Hello, my cents:
This is a really needed time to reflect about the previous programs and dive into the data. However, I see some comments questioning the detox duration.
IWould be possible to create the snapshot with different options, so we can gauge which one is preferred? These are also arbitrary numbers, but bearing in mind that one month would be too short, I suggest having:
2 months 3 months 4 months No Detox
That way, there is an option for those wanting a shorter or a longer period. And make it sure that after this period, there is a proposal, even if it is: No changes in the current setup (steps 6 and 7 of your proposal). Not really a fan of extending it without an additional vote.
The LTIPP workstream, which consists of the 5 Council members @404DAO, @coinflip (GMX), @GFXlabs, @karelvuong, @WintermuteGovernance, 3 Advisors @CastleCapital, @SEEDGov, @JoJo, and the PM @Matt_StableLab has been meeting and will continue to meet bi-weekly to discuss lessons learned from the ongoing incentives plans and develop a plan for a long-term incentive framework, as per our mandate in the LTIPP proposal.
We acknowledge the change in conditions in the DAO regarding what delegates would like to see concerning the scope and timing of future incentive programs. This post will serve to update the community on where we currently stand and what we believe needs to happen in the DAO before future incentive programs can commence.
While we believe that general incentives are important, a one-size-fits-all incentive program has proven limited in flexibility, duration, and effectiveness. For this reason, we believe the focus of future programs should shift towards multiple smaller objective-based incentive programs running concurrently within the larger incentive infrastructure.
We believe this will bring the following benefits:
This modularity might also translate into different incentive programs and further internal differentiations of rules and mechanisms based, for example, on the protocol's maturity, past achieved results, and other metrics.
The DAO has never decided what specific goals we are trying to achieve with incentives other than generally growing the Arbitrum Ecosystem. This has made it hard to measure the program's success and for the council to decide what kind of applicants they should accept. For an overarching incentives framework, we believe it is imperative to have clear objectives so that we can integrate KPIs throughout the program to measure whether we are achieving our goals. This ties in with the definition of Vision, Mission, and Strategy that @Entropy is working on and that we are eager to assess in the optic of having incentive programs as a powerful driver of the above.
Since previous incentive programs lacked clear objectives, it can be hard to identify ineffective or malicious actors. In addition to implementing clear KPIs, we envision the establishment of an oversight mechanism to continually evaluate the program's progress and identify which parts are failing to meet their milestones so adjustments can be made. To accomplish this, we must have live dashboards from the beginning of the incentives and a clear mandate for how we will use this data to alter the incentives framework.
Additionally, a watchdog, on-chain sleuth role is needed to identify any misuse of funds in real-time and present any findings to an oversight council so we can stop these streams as issues arise.
Marketing has never been a part of the program. This led to reduced visibility and awareness of the program from both users and protocols and has stifled our ability to attract new users. The recent addition of the "Rewards" page on the official Arbitrum Portal is a good step towards driving greater awareness. However, we can surely do better to bring more attention to users and protocols. The marketing aspect has to be baked into the proposal to guarantee we have a legitimate marketing strategy bringing users to these incentives.
As a DAO, we need to decide what our goals for the future are. Are we trying to attract the most users, the largest users, new protocols, or existing protocols on other chains? The DAO must reach a consensus on what we are trying to accomplish. This can be achieved either by a team like Entropy or via the DAO as a whole. However, we must have a concrete vision to design a program that works toward this vision accurately. If the DAO cannot produce a complete vision in time for the next program, we must at least have clear objectives the DAO would like to accomplish via incentives so that those overseeing the creation of programs and distribution can properly focus efforts. This will also help us establish clear KPIs and milestones to measure success and hold the incentives program accountable more effectively.
Since the last program, the DAO has added the ARDC and is discussing other infrastructure, such as the OpCo. We must figure out how these new additions can best support an incentives program so we can leverage this already-funded talent to support the incentives program with research, analytics, and accountability.
The LTIPP allowed protocols to experiment more with incentive designs and included the advisor role to help protocols implement exciting new incentive plans. Research into the success of these new designs will be published shortly by OpenBlock and the LTIPP bounties. Additionally, qualitative surveys regarding protocols’ experiences were a part of the STIP.B application. Analyzing this data will be crucial for designing a future program so we can provide recommendations for protocols regarding which mechanisms have been effective in the past.
We are open to the idea of a detox as we recognize several things must happen before the next program is ready. However, we are unsure if a hard cap on when the following incentive program can start is necessary.
The LTIPP workstream plans to continue designing the basis of a framework for the next incentives program. We want to create the basic structure in the short term so that when additional data and clarity on the topics we mentioned earlier come in, we can easily integrate the findings into the new modular framework.
In the spirit of transparency, we would be happy to start hosting more public calls and encourage feedback from delegates interested in helping with incentives. However, our workstream should continue to drive the design of the next incentives program. Our workstream was elected by the DAO to focus on incentives and is made up of some of the most active members of the community. Working closely with the 100+ active incentives plans has taught us firsthand all the struggles and intricacies required to tackle a large-scale incentives program. Due to this intimate knowledge, we are in the best position to provide the DAO with a clear plan for the future of incentives on Arbitrum.
The end mission for this workstream is to present the DAO with a robust long-term incentive framework that it can implement and benefit from for the foreseeable future.
Things have changed over the past few months, and the need for an incentive program that accounts for all the data that we have collected through the past programs has become apparent.
Totally agree. This need for standardized reviews for accountability ACROSS programs is often missed in our pluralist grants proposals. Many see it as an unnecessary expense because running a single program or a centralized program does not require this process. While liquidity incentive programs have been funded from outsode the ThankArb and Questbook ecosystem allocation programs, it is no different in regard to this need.
L2BEAT does not wish to lead the working group, and we’d instead prefer to facilitate its creation and then step back and participate in it as delegates by providing our feedback and opinions. We do commit, however, to remaining active in the working group and helping drive the discussion forward.
I believe it is effective to pay the person who organizes and catherds through this process. Facillitation is a skill and finding the best outcomes depends on it being done well.
Perhaps you include a 20k ARB payment for 3 months of facilitation. This could be sent to ThankARB and paid weekly with decentralized validation.
Overall, thanks for this proposal. It isn't easy to push against the current.
We believe that it's somewhat overdue that we have some sort of reevaluation period to let all of our findings on incentives sink in before we pursue other ventures. Especially after finding actors that have misused funds. And given the findings, we think that there might be room to give more explicit recommendations for incentive distribution. It also might be time to revisit what we get out of these incentive schemes beyond user acquisition. 3 months seems to be an ideal amount of time where within we can ideate on what greater structures need to be put in place for program accountability, alongside new compliance rules for incentives issuance based on research.
I support reviewing and improving the grant program into a permanent program.
Your motivation, it seems to me, is correct.
However, it is worth considering gathering a team of delegates to discuss now, rather than waiting until September 17th.
I support reviewing and improving the grant program into a permanent program.
Your motivation, it seems to me, is correct.
However, it is worth considering gathering a team of delegates to discuss now, rather than waiting until September 17th.
I am ready to take an active part in this group of delegates in working on a permanent incentive program.