Non-Constitutional
As one of the world’s biggest DAOs, Arbitrum DAO could take advantage of the Turbo plan that Snapshot.org (the off-chain voting platform we use for temperature checks) offers. This proposal aims to upgrade Arbitrum DAO’s snapshot space (the one with the arbitrumfoundation.eth ENS name) to Snapshot’s Turbo plan for $6,000 USD per year.
Arbitrum DAO has been a heavy user of snapshot.org ever since AIP-1, by being one of the most active DAOs in that platform, with 5,427,817 total votes cast as of October 24ᵗʰ, 2024, at 12pm UTC.
The Turbo plan of snapshot.org allows DAOs to take advantage of a set of advanced features, that are relevant to Arbitrum DAO right now, such as:
All these features would allow the Arbitrum DAO to be more effective in its governance efforts. Also, by being a Turbo customer, there is an opportunity for Arbitrum DAO to ask custom features that the snapshot team would be happy to look into and prioritize.
The main reasons to upgrade to snapshot.org Turbo plan are two fold.
There have been several instances where some proposals text in Arbitrum DAO had to be cut from their original size in the forum, to fit the current 10,000 character limit on the snapshot.org temperature check proposal, which hinders the legibility of proposals in the medium where they are being voted on, and might cause confusion for the voters, as to what is being voted on.
Currently, snapshot.org homepage doesn’t show Arbitrum DAO as a featured DAO, because Arbitrum DAO’s snapshot space does not have the gold badge that would come with the Turbo plan. Once Arbitrum DAO upgrades to the Turbo plan, Arbitrum DAO’s snapshot space would be showing in the top section of the snapshot.org homepage.
The snapshot.org Turbo plan is the obvious next step for Arbitrum DAO which relies heavily on offchain proposals for its governance processes. Since its inception, Arbitrum DAO has published 330 offchain proposals on its snapshot.org space with an average of roughly 16448 casted votes per proposal, as of the 24ᵗʰ of October 2024, at 12pm UTC. That’s almost 10,000 votes casted per day, since AIP-1.
The additional features the Turbo plan provides can be fully used by Arbitrum DAO and are fairly needed. Also, with additional discoverability in snapshot.org homepage and search results, Arbitrum DAO will be front and center for DAO governance enthusiasts who have not yet looked into and participated in Arbitrum DAOs governance.
This proposal aims to get consent and alignment from Arbitrum DAO members, so that the Arbitrum Foundation will pay from their budget and upgrade Arbitrum DAOs snapshot.org space, controlled by the Arbitrum Foundation owned arbitrumfoundation.eth ENS name, to the snapshot.org Turbo plan.
The main step to implement this proposal is for the Arbitrum Foundation to transfer the equivalent of $6,000 USD in ARB to a snapshot.org controlled wallet. Snapshot.org team has confirmed that they can accept payment in ARB on Arbitrum One. After the payment is received, the arbitrumfoundation.eth snapshot space will be upgraded to the Turbo plan.
Then, as a second and optional step of the implementation, the Arbitrum Foundation (who controls the arbitrumfoundation.eth ENS name and therefore has admin rights over the Arbitrum DAO’s snapshot space) can also customize the snapshot space and create a subdomain like https://snapshot.arbitrum.foundation to host the whitelabel version of the Arbitrum DAO snapshot space.
This proposal will be up for discussion here in the forum and gathering feedback until the 31ˢᵗ of October. If it gathers enough support from delegates, by way of commenting here in this forum thread, the Arbitrum Foundation should proceed with the payment and implementation of this proposal.
$6,000 USD equivalent in ARB, per year.
Non-Constitutional
As one of the world’s biggest DAOs, Arbitrum DAO could take advantage of the Turbo plan that Snapshot.org (the off-chain voting platform we use for temperature checks) offers. This proposal aims to upgrade Arbitrum DAO’s snapshot space (the one with the arbitrumfoundation.eth ENS name) to Snapshot’s Turbo plan for $6,000 USD per year.
Arbitrum DAO has been a heavy user of snapshot.org ever since AIP-1, by being one of the most active DAOs in that platform, with 5,427,817 total votes cast as of October 24ᵗʰ, 2024, at 12pm UTC.
The Turbo plan of snapshot.org allows DAOs to take advantage of a set of advanced features, that are relevant to Arbitrum DAO right now, such as:
All these features would allow the Arbitrum DAO to be more effective in its governance efforts. Also, by being a Turbo customer, there is an opportunity for Arbitrum DAO to ask custom features that the snapshot team would be happy to look into and prioritize.
The main reasons to upgrade to snapshot.org Turbo plan are two fold.
There have been several instances where some proposals text in Arbitrum DAO had to be cut from their original size in the forum, to fit the current 10,000 character limit on the snapshot.org temperature check proposal, which hinders the legibility of proposals in the medium where they are being voted on, and might cause confusion for the voters, as to what is being voted on.
Currently, snapshot.org homepage doesn’t show Arbitrum DAO as a featured DAO, because Arbitrum DAO’s snapshot space does not have the gold badge that would come with the Turbo plan. Once Arbitrum DAO upgrades to the Turbo plan, Arbitrum DAO’s snapshot space would be showing in the top section of the snapshot.org homepage.
The snapshot.org Turbo plan is the obvious next step for Arbitrum DAO which relies heavily on offchain proposals for its governance processes. Since its inception, Arbitrum DAO has published 330 offchain proposals on its snapshot.org space with an average of roughly 16448 casted votes per proposal, as of the 24ᵗʰ of October 2024, at 12pm UTC. That’s almost 10,000 votes casted per day, since AIP-1.
The additional features the Turbo plan provides can be fully used by Arbitrum DAO and are fairly needed. Also, with additional discoverability in snapshot.org homepage and search results, Arbitrum DAO will be front and center for DAO governance enthusiasts who have not yet looked into and participated in Arbitrum DAOs governance.
This proposal aims to get consent and alignment from Arbitrum DAO members, so that the Arbitrum Foundation will pay from their budget and upgrade Arbitrum DAOs snapshot.org space, controlled by the Arbitrum Foundation owned arbitrumfoundation.eth ENS name, to the snapshot.org Turbo plan.
The main step to implement this proposal is for the Arbitrum Foundation to transfer the equivalent of $6,000 USD in ARB to a snapshot.org controlled wallet. Snapshot.org team has confirmed that they can accept payment in ARB on Arbitrum One. After the payment is received, the arbitrumfoundation.eth snapshot space will be upgraded to the Turbo plan.
Then, as a second and optional step of the implementation, the Arbitrum Foundation (who controls the arbitrumfoundation.eth ENS name and therefore has admin rights over the Arbitrum DAO’s snapshot space) can also customize the snapshot space and create a subdomain like https://snapshot.arbitrum.foundation to host the whitelabel version of the Arbitrum DAO snapshot space.
This proposal will be up for discussion here in the forum and gathering feedback until the 31ˢᵗ of October. If it gathers enough support from delegates, by way of commenting here in this forum thread, the Arbitrum Foundation should proceed with the payment and implementation of this proposal.
$6,000 USD equivalent in ARB, per year.
Technically if you want you could enforce that voters have at least a certain amount of ARB token to be able to vote, you could do that with a voting validation strategy or a voting strategy.
Technically if you want you could enforce that voters have at least a certain amount of ARB token to be able to vote, you could do that with a voting validation strategy or a voting strategy.
hey, it should be ready in a week or so
hey, it should be ready in a week or so
We don't flag votes or accounts we only flag proposals where we found a malicious link.
AF should cover this.
We don't flag votes or accounts we only flag proposals where we found a malicious link.
AF should cover this.
Hi here! I'm Fabien, the founder of Snapshot. We're proud to support Arbitrum's governance and appreciate your interest in our Turbo plan. I'm available and happy to answer any questions you might have about the Turbo plan.
Hi here! I'm Fabien, the founder of Snapshot. We're proud to support Arbitrum's governance and appreciate your interest in our Turbo plan. I'm available and happy to answer any questions you might have about the Turbo plan.
As mentioned above, this is something that the Foundation would be doing out its own discretion, for the benefit of the DAO, so there is no need to go to Snapshot.
To clarify, the constitution does not mention that Arbitrum Foundation is responsible for all subscriptions. Rather, the AF handles certain subscriptions in a neutral, supportive role to benefit the ArbitrumDAO
As mentioned above, this is something that the Foundation would be doing out its own discretion, for the benefit of the DAO, so there is no need to go to Snapshot.
To clarify, the constitution does not mention that Arbitrum Foundation is responsible for all subscriptions. Rather, the AF handles certain subscriptions in a neutral, supportive role to benefit the ArbitrumDAO
This is an easy yes, we're in support.
This is an easy yes, we're in support.
Yes, this is something that the AF can cover, especially if the sentiment from the DAO is that it wants this upgrade.
Yes, this is something that the AF can cover, especially if the sentiment from the DAO is that it wants this upgrade.
I agree with this proposal, as others have commented, the cost is minimal and it would not only bring Arbitrum to the top of the page but it would also validate it socially. Just like being validated on X!
If the AF doesn't cover it, I agree with this. It's not much.
Cheers to all!
For such a small amount of money for DAO (and in fact it will be Foundation), these are good advantages.
As for the length of the text - after all, writing 40,000 characters in Snapshot is too much. It is enough to provide a link to the forum, and in the voting text provide the main part, what is proposed to vote for. Most will not be able to read so much text.
No brainer, cost are negligible, benefit is well explained. One of the rarer spendings in the DAO im fully supportive of.
@Arbitrum given the positive sentiment in this thread, could you confirm that the Arbitrum Foundation will commit to execute and fund this proposal in a reasonable amount of time? let’s say, a maximum of 3 weeks from today?
I agree with this proposal, as others have commented, the cost is minimal and it would not only bring Arbitrum to the top of the page but it would also validate it socially. Just like being validated on X!
If the AF doesn't cover it, I agree with this. It's not much.
Cheers to all!
For such a small amount of money for DAO (and in fact it will be Foundation), these are good advantages.
As for the length of the text - after all, writing 40,000 characters in Snapshot is too much. It is enough to provide a link to the forum, and in the voting text provide the main part, what is proposed to vote for. Most will not be able to read so much text.
No brainer, cost are negligible, benefit is well explained. One of the rarer spendings in the DAO im fully supportive of.
@Arbitrum given the positive sentiment in this thread, could you confirm that the Arbitrum Foundation will commit to execute and fund this proposal in a reasonable amount of time? let’s say, a maximum of 3 weeks from today?
makes sense to me. The 10k character limit is a pain
@Arbitrum @raam @cliffton.eth could any of you give an expectation of when this would be done by the Arbitrum Foundation? Thank you!
makes sense to me. The 10k character limit is a pain
@Arbitrum @raam @cliffton.eth could any of you give an expectation of when this would be done by the Arbitrum Foundation? Thank you!
the vote reason character limit is much bigger (1000 characters instead of 100) in the new snapshot version available at snapshot.box
I'm supporting this proposal, the cost is minimum compared to the benefits we'd be receiving. The AF should cover the cost, if not, we should def cover it.
It's much needed, and the upgrade is a great opportunity to greatly improve governance. Arbitrum DAO has been a big user of the Snapshot platform, with millions of votes cast, and naturally more features are needed. By spending $6,000 on an upgrade, we can get more useful features such as longer proposal text, higher visibility on the front page, a dedicated proxy management page, a customizable interface, and more. This will not only improve governance efficiency, but also make Arbitrum DAO more professional and give members a better experience. The ability to be shown as a Gold DAO on the homepage should highlight ARB's industry status.
Suggestion to add user feedback mechanism: We can also consider collecting feedback from members on the Turbo program on a regular basis, to see which features are more popular or need to be optimized, which can help to continuously improve the governance experience!
Sounds like this won't be going to snapshot, so signaling support here. The word count alone is worth the extra premium, and even if there wasn't much tangible benefit I think it's important to support entities like this that are immensely integral to the DAO if the cost is reasonable. As we ultimately heavily rely on something like Snapshot to be a viable product long-term
Agreed. the Arbitrum DAO is very active, with a good number of users participating in each poll, but the current Snapshot limit does make the voting process less than smooth. Upgrading to the Turbo program would not only increase the character limit of the proposal, but it would also make Arbitrum DAO more visible on the Snapshot page, which would help to attract more attention from new users.
In particular, if the character limit for long-form proposals, for example, could be raised from 10,000 to 40,000 characters, it would prevent many proposals from being cropped, and make them clearer for voters to understand. The cost wasn't too high either - the $6,000 a year ARB spend was worth it for these optimizations. These enhancements are necessary for our DAO governance environment. I support this proposal and think it can be pushed further for implementation.
the vote reason character limit is much bigger (1000 characters instead of 100) in the new snapshot version available at snapshot.box
I'm supporting this proposal, the cost is minimum compared to the benefits we'd be receiving. The AF should cover the cost, if not, we should def cover it.
It's much needed, and the upgrade is a great opportunity to greatly improve governance. Arbitrum DAO has been a big user of the Snapshot platform, with millions of votes cast, and naturally more features are needed. By spending $6,000 on an upgrade, we can get more useful features such as longer proposal text, higher visibility on the front page, a dedicated proxy management page, a customizable interface, and more. This will not only improve governance efficiency, but also make Arbitrum DAO more professional and give members a better experience. The ability to be shown as a Gold DAO on the homepage should highlight ARB's industry status.
Suggestion to add user feedback mechanism: We can also consider collecting feedback from members on the Turbo program on a regular basis, to see which features are more popular or need to be optimized, which can help to continuously improve the governance experience!
Sounds like this won't be going to snapshot, so signaling support here. The word count alone is worth the extra premium, and even if there wasn't much tangible benefit I think it's important to support entities like this that are immensely integral to the DAO if the cost is reasonable. As we ultimately heavily rely on something like Snapshot to be a viable product long-term
Agreed. the Arbitrum DAO is very active, with a good number of users participating in each poll, but the current Snapshot limit does make the voting process less than smooth. Upgrading to the Turbo program would not only increase the character limit of the proposal, but it would also make Arbitrum DAO more visible on the Snapshot page, which would help to attract more attention from new users.
In particular, if the character limit for long-form proposals, for example, could be raised from 10,000 to 40,000 characters, it would prevent many proposals from being cropped, and make them clearer for voters to understand. The cost wasn't too high either - the $6,000 a year ARB spend was worth it for these optimizations. These enhancements are necessary for our DAO governance environment. I support this proposal and think it can be pushed further for implementation.
While we are typically against extra spending on principal, this is a rare case where the spend is low enough and the potential value high enough that it can be worth it.
We are in support of this proposal, but suggest a review after one year to see whether the additional features were actually used.
This is an excellent solution for the Foundation to cover. Appreciate the responsiveness from the AF and Gauntlet supports this proposal.
I fully support this. As the most active DAO, Arbitrum DAO should be at the top of the page. I wonder if they could increase the character limit for voting justifications so that delegators can quickly check the rationale behind decisions without having to click on forum links.
do you feel that the small voters with <0.1 ARB (most likely bots) should be flagged? why?
We are not saying they should be flagged, just inquiring if Turbo would allow for it.
We believe there is a good cost-opportunity in this proposal.
Because the Arbitrum Foundation seems open to covering the costs, we believe that is the best path forward to avoid the need for the proposers to go through a long governance process for such a small amount.
We believe there is a good cost-opportunity in this proposal.
Because the Arbitrum Foundation seems open to covering the costs, we believe that is the best path forward to avoid the need for the proposers to go through a long governance process for such a small amount.
Yes, this is something that the AF can cover, especially if the sentiment from the DAO is that it wants this upgrade.
Our team supports this proposal. We believe that increasing the character limit is crucial for properly reflecting Forum proposals in Snapshot.
A minor clarification, we noticed changes were made to the proposal regarding its duration. Will it be renewed annually without a vote? From our perspective, we don't think another vote is necessary, but it would be good to clarify this.
404 DAO supports this proposal. Arbitrum should be front and center on Snapshot’s DAO page. The additional features, specifically increased character limits, will greatly reduce information fragmentation.
We have a question for @fabien regarding Turbo’s spam flagging - we noticed in most all proposals there are currently many “small” token holders voting with <0.1 ARB, are these the accounts that would be flagged?
I remember having a conversation with someone regarding this on X so really excited you put this up here @paulofonseca.
With AF looking to cover the costs upon community backing, DAOplomats is fully in support of this initiative. And just as @0x_ultra said, we should be at the top of the page ⬆️
I support it. There's no reason we shouldn't pay for this, as it's one of the main tools used by governance, and the cost is not significant.
yes, I updated the proposal to show that the Arbitrum Foundation should pay for this, under the clause stated here https://docs.arbitrum.foundation/what-foundation
So basically, if there is enough support showed here on the Forum, the Arbitrum Foundation should pay for this subscription, and renew it every year.
We support the AF offer to fund the upgrade
I support this proposal. I believe it's a relatively low-cost expense that holds significant value, as it's a tool we use daily. Being on this plan will also help maintain our positioning on the platform (Snapshot).
I believw the benefits are worth the costs. It would be amazing if the AF unlocked this for us!
I believe it's far better value received than spent. Wonder why we didn't activate it earlier, thanks @paulofonseca for brining it up.
We definitely support this.
I support this proposal
Yes, this is something that the AF can cover, especially if the sentiment from the DAO is that it wants this upgrade.
Just a note that L2BEAT supports this as a delegate.
While we are typically against extra spending on principal, this is a rare case where the spend is low enough and the potential value high enough that it can be worth it.
We are in support of this proposal, but suggest a review after one year to see whether the additional features were actually used.
This is an excellent solution for the Foundation to cover. Appreciate the responsiveness from the AF and Gauntlet supports this proposal.
I fully support this. As the most active DAO, Arbitrum DAO should be at the top of the page. I wonder if they could increase the character limit for voting justifications so that delegators can quickly check the rationale behind decisions without having to click on forum links.
do you feel that the small voters with <0.1 ARB (most likely bots) should be flagged? why?
We are not saying they should be flagged, just inquiring if Turbo would allow for it.
We believe there is a good cost-opportunity in this proposal.
Because the Arbitrum Foundation seems open to covering the costs, we believe that is the best path forward to avoid the need for the proposers to go through a long governance process for such a small amount.
We believe there is a good cost-opportunity in this proposal.
Because the Arbitrum Foundation seems open to covering the costs, we believe that is the best path forward to avoid the need for the proposers to go through a long governance process for such a small amount.
Yes, this is something that the AF can cover, especially if the sentiment from the DAO is that it wants this upgrade.
Our team supports this proposal. We believe that increasing the character limit is crucial for properly reflecting Forum proposals in Snapshot.
A minor clarification, we noticed changes were made to the proposal regarding its duration. Will it be renewed annually without a vote? From our perspective, we don't think another vote is necessary, but it would be good to clarify this.
404 DAO supports this proposal. Arbitrum should be front and center on Snapshot’s DAO page. The additional features, specifically increased character limits, will greatly reduce information fragmentation.
We have a question for @fabien regarding Turbo’s spam flagging - we noticed in most all proposals there are currently many “small” token holders voting with <0.1 ARB, are these the accounts that would be flagged?
I remember having a conversation with someone regarding this on X so really excited you put this up here @paulofonseca.
With AF looking to cover the costs upon community backing, DAOplomats is fully in support of this initiative. And just as @0x_ultra said, we should be at the top of the page ⬆️
I support it. There's no reason we shouldn't pay for this, as it's one of the main tools used by governance, and the cost is not significant.
yes, I updated the proposal to show that the Arbitrum Foundation should pay for this, under the clause stated here https://docs.arbitrum.foundation/what-foundation
So basically, if there is enough support showed here on the Forum, the Arbitrum Foundation should pay for this subscription, and renew it every year.
We support the AF offer to fund the upgrade
I support this proposal. I believe it's a relatively low-cost expense that holds significant value, as it's a tool we use daily. Being on this plan will also help maintain our positioning on the platform (Snapshot).
I believw the benefits are worth the costs. It would be amazing if the AF unlocked this for us!
I believe it's far better value received than spent. Wonder why we didn't activate it earlier, thanks @paulofonseca for brining it up.
We definitely support this.
I support this proposal
Yes, this is something that the AF can cover, especially if the sentiment from the DAO is that it wants this upgrade.
Just a note that L2BEAT supports this as a delegate.
yes, I updated the proposal to show that the Arbitrum Foundation should pay for this, under the clause stated here https://docs.arbitrum.foundation/what-foundation
So basically, if there is enough support showed here on the Forum, the Arbitrum Foundation should pay for this subscription, and renew it every year.
So until Thursday next week, on the 1st of November, we should collect comments in this thread, showing support, and then the Arbitrum Foundation can just execute it then, or we can put this up for a temperature check vote on snapshot, and then then Arbitrum Foundation can execute it with the legitimacy of a favorable offchain vote result.
@raam do you think there is a need to take this to an offchain vote on snapshot?
Thank you for this proposal, @paulofonseca. I support it as it brings a lot of value to the DAO and its members for a small cost.
I really want to see Arbitrum DAO right at the top when I open Snapshot, instead of having to scroll down every time. But like @DisruptionJoe said, I don’t think something this small needs to go through a full DAO proposal, especially since the amount of funding is minimal and should already be covered by Arbitrum DAO’s basic operational budget. We just need to give the relevant team a heads-up that it’s time to get this done—just like how we added the gold badge to Arbitrum X, let's upgrade Arbitrum DAO’s Snapshot space too.
Entropy also supports this path forward.
All I want for Christmas is 40k characters. Seeing that the foundation owns the relationship to snapshot/Tally - I think this is best funded by the foundation at the request of delegates rather than taking it through the fully Tally process.
Hey all! Thank you for the replies!
Just edited the proposal to show that this payment and implementation should come from the Arbitrum Foundation.
In the meantime, please show your support for this proposal as a comment here in this forum thread.
No brainer, especially if the constitution states the foundation as being party responsible for subscriptions.
also think that since they set it up, we should let AF upgrade rather than go through a DAO vote
thanks to @coinflip for first noticing that we don't have a gold star unlike other much less active DAOs and to @paulofonseca for doing the research & taking it public with the proposal
Negligible cost for the extra visibility and benefits, we should be at the top of the page!
yes, I updated the proposal to show that the Arbitrum Foundation should pay for this, under the clause stated here https://docs.arbitrum.foundation/what-foundation
So basically, if there is enough support showed here on the Forum, the Arbitrum Foundation should pay for this subscription, and renew it every year.
So until Thursday next week, on the 1st of November, we should collect comments in this thread, showing support, and then the Arbitrum Foundation can just execute it then, or we can put this up for a temperature check vote on snapshot, and then then Arbitrum Foundation can execute it with the legitimacy of a favorable offchain vote result.
@raam do you think there is a need to take this to an offchain vote on snapshot?
Thank you for this proposal, @paulofonseca. I support it as it brings a lot of value to the DAO and its members for a small cost.
I really want to see Arbitrum DAO right at the top when I open Snapshot, instead of having to scroll down every time. But like @DisruptionJoe said, I don’t think something this small needs to go through a full DAO proposal, especially since the amount of funding is minimal and should already be covered by Arbitrum DAO’s basic operational budget. We just need to give the relevant team a heads-up that it’s time to get this done—just like how we added the gold badge to Arbitrum X, let's upgrade Arbitrum DAO’s Snapshot space too.
Entropy also supports this path forward.
All I want for Christmas is 40k characters. Seeing that the foundation owns the relationship to snapshot/Tally - I think this is best funded by the foundation at the request of delegates rather than taking it through the fully Tally process.
Hey all! Thank you for the replies!
Just edited the proposal to show that this payment and implementation should come from the Arbitrum Foundation.
In the meantime, please show your support for this proposal as a comment here in this forum thread.
No brainer, especially if the constitution states the foundation as being party responsible for subscriptions.
also think that since they set it up, we should let AF upgrade rather than go through a DAO vote
thanks to @coinflip for first noticing that we don't have a gold star unlike other much less active DAOs and to @paulofonseca for doing the research & taking it public with the proposal
Negligible cost for the extra visibility and benefits, we should be at the top of the page!
