karpatkey and Aera are proposing for the creation of Arbitrum Strategic Treasury Management Group and DAO Oversight Committee. This Group aims to provide services to the ArbitrumDAO treasury that will enable the DAO's long-term sustainability, whilst supporting the growth of the Arbitrum ecosystem. This program is fully non-custodial and the DAO can pull back funds anytime. The proposal kickstarts with Strategic Treasury Management of 250M ARB assets under management; this will allow the Group to manage ~2 years of runway.
I. Motivation
II. Expected Outcome
III. Introduction to the Arbitrum Strategic Treasury Management Group
IV. Deployment Initiatives
V. Non-Deployment Initiatives
VI. Strategic Treasury Management Group Operating Model
VII. Step Forward
VIII. Appendix: Motivations in-Depth
IX. Appendix: Technology and Risk Management
Arbitrum is the leading L2 by all relevant KPIs, including number of protocols, TVL, and daily active address. ArbitrumDAO also has the 3rd largest treasury of any DAOs, but one key difference between Arbitrum and other protocols is the extent of independence and power given to the DAO from its onset.
Despite having the 3rd largest treasury of any DAOs, the ArbitrumDAO faces three main challenges with its current treasury (refer to VIII. Appendix: Motivations in-Depth):
Ensuring long-term sustainability: treasury should be able to support ecosystem efforts through market cycles; in the long-run, DAO should be a self-sustaining vehicle, with expenses covered by yield generated from Treasury, without having to materially compromise Treasury principal.
Fostering ecosystem growth: treasury should be used to foster a vibrant community of users and builders.
Transparency and accountability: treasury should be expertly managed, and uses of the treasury should be transparent and held accountable to the DAO.
The Arbitrum Treasury and Sustainability Working Group and the broader Arbitrum community have previously researched and discussed the issues at depth, and there is a strong consensus that we need a more holistic approach towards managing Arbitrum’s treasury to prevent inefficient decision-making processes and misallocation of resources. Arbitrum’s impressive decentralization is a double-edged sword; the DAO can use its collective intelligence to make the best decisions, but without clear structure and oversight, conflicting opinions and divergent interests may hinder timely and effective resource allocation.
The Arbitrum Strategic Treasury Management Group aims to allocate assets within the Arbitrum ecosystem to ensure long-term sustainability and foster growth.
Three main areas of priority would be:
Ecosystem alignment and growth. Bolster ecosystem growth by utilizing Arbitrum’s treasury via Protocol Owned Liquidity (POL).
Fortress balance sheet. Diversify Arbitrum treasury to build sufficient runway and resiliency to market downturns by reducing long-tail asset exposure. As the DAO is currently spending $97M+ per year, it is ideal to maintain a treasury in excess of $200M.
Sustainability. Leverage Arbitrum DAO’s treasury to generate sustainable yields via DeFi lending, staking, and liquidity provisioning. To reach sustainability at current spending levels, the DAO needs to eventually deploy $1.5B, targeting 6-8% APY.
Outcomes
Yield Optimization Program aims to generate sustainable yields to fund the DAO’s operations in a non-custodial and risk-minimized manner.
DAO Owned Liquidity Program, with the goal of expanding ecosystem liquidity, attracting builders to Arbitrum, and deepening ARB on-chain liquidity.
Treasury Diversification Program, to reduce long-tail asset exposure and capital raising.
Initiative of Arbitrum Strategic Treasury Management Group will be led by karpatkey and Aera, combining experience across DAO treasury management and risk management.
About karpatkey
karpatkey is a DeFi-native organization specializing in providing financial services to DAOs. Since its inception in 2020, karpatkey has been a trusted partner to respected DAOs like Gnosis, Aave, and ENS, managing over $1bn in non-custodial assets. Through its comprehensive support in treasury management and financial operations, karpatkey empowers its partners to effectively pursue their missions. Leveraging its extensive experience, karpatkey will serve as the treasury manager, designing investment processes to meet the DAO’s goals and constraints.
About Aera
Aera is an on-chain solution to autonomously optimize DAO funds. It addresses the common pain point of inactive treasury management that often hinders a DAO's ability to maintain runway, cover liabilities, and benefit from market growth. Unlike traditional institutions that rely on nimble managers for fund allocation, DAOs face a unique set of challenges that include governance and incentive alignment with external managers. To address these, Aera offers a unified solution for efficiently and transparently managing on-chain treasuries, grants, and incentive funds through customizable vaults. Aera vaults can hold stablecoins, native tokens, and other cryptocurrencies, with their objective functions tailored to each DAO’s needs. Guardians leverage off-chain logic to automate rebalancing decisions, ensuring the vaults meet their objectives across various market scenarios and time horizons. Gauntlet will be the initial Guardian for the Aera vault operating under the direction of karpatkey and the DAO Oversight Committee.
About DAO Oversight Committee
We recommend creating a 3-member DAO Oversight Committee via a 1 week application period with a 5 day Snapshot vote. This committee will serve as a layer for checks and balances between the STMG and the DAO, and would be responsible for:
Coalescing the DAO Treasury Mandate and setting the guardrails for the treasury vaults and tools.
Evaluating the performance of the Strategic Treasury Management Group and confirming the accuracy of reporting.
Facilitating governance procedure for capital recall process if the execution of the treasury management strategy diverges from the stated treasury mandate.
Committee members should be evaluated based on the following criteria:
Familiarity with prudent treasury management strategies
Level of engagement and activity in ArbitrumDAO to effectively act as DAO advocate
On-chain literacy to verify the accuracy of treasury reporting
Treasury deployment can be broadly categorized by liquidity profile: liquid and illiquid. Liquid deployment varies from low-risk ‘cash-equivalent’ investments (staking, lending/borrowing, liquidity provisions), to higher-risk, strategic investments such as treasury swaps. Illiquid deployment is largely strategic in nature, and includes venture investments and M&A activities. As an example Alphabet has ~28% of its total assets in cash and other marketable securities, and ~8% of its total assets in non-marketable securities (including those invested by GV and CapitalG).
Strategic Treasury Management Group will focus on non-custodial, liquid deployment of Treasury to achieve synergy with pre-existing illiquid deployment discussions surrounding the Gaming Catalyst Program, Arbitrum Ventures Initiative, and Arbitrum M&A Working Group.
We are asking the DAO to allocate 250M ARB for the first tranche of the Arbitrum Strategic Treasury Management Initiative, in order to bolster the Arbitrum treasury’s sustainability and strategic ecosystem deployment; based on the success of the initial deployment, size of the allocation can be increased via a future proposal.
The DAO Oversight Committee will be responsible for facilitating DAO governance process for recalling any deployed funds; whether for DAO financial requirements, poor performance by the Strategic Treasury Management Group, or any other reason.
Allocations & Monitoring
The specific strategies will be selected by the Strategic Treasury Management Group with guidance from the DAO Oversight Committee, providing an additional level of accountability and transparency.
Initial Targets
1. Yield Optimization Program (80%)
Deployment Strategies: Low-risk DeFi yield farming strategies, including staking, lending/borrowing, delta-neutral liquidity provisioning, cash-and-carry strategies
Purpose: help deliver base-line yield for Arbitrum treasury, and help fund DAO’s operations and initiatives.
Performance metrics: APY, volatility (portfolio, yield); benchmarked against other DAO treasuries.
2. DAO Owned Liquidity Program (20%)
Deployment Strategies: Arbitrum-native LP strategies. Potential venues include, but are not limited to, GMX, Camelot, Aave, Uniswap, Radiant, Vertex, Silo, and more.
Purpose: increase ARB on-chain liquidity; potentially bootstrap liquidity in conjunction with programs like LTIPP and STIP.
Performance metrics: ARB on-chain liquidity.
TS helps serve as a living document for the DAO to guide and contextualize its treasury decisions based on its needs and priorities. It also helps the DAO hold service providers accountable for the Treasury. The DAO Oversight Committee will work with the STMG to set the TS.
Treasury Statement (“TS”)
Monthly Strategic Treasury Management Group reports, outlining strategies and performance. Updates will be shared via both live town hall meetings and governance forum updates. Real-time dashboards to track treasury performance, portfolio allocations, ecosystem performance and Arbitrum’s financial health. These dashboards will include both Dune Dashboards maintained by karpatkey and Aera dashboards maintained by Aera Finance.
Financial Planning and Reporting
The DAO will retain full ownership of the assets and can withdraw at any time. The Strategic Treasury Management Group will serve as executor of treasury management strategies, deploying assets to a set of strategies pre-approved by the DAO. The Group will not have withdrawal rights to the SAFE.
Asset safety: Who oversees custody of assets?
Role-based access controls will be pre-approved by the DAO Oversight Committee prior to deployment of assets, so only pre-approved transactions can be undertaken. Strategic Treasury Deployment Group dissolution rights DAO can shut down the structure and the group at any point in time via the standard Arbitrum governance process. The DAO Oversight Committee can call for dissolution of the Treasury Management Group via standard governance process, citing its reasons, at any time, if they see a divergence from the DAO treasury mandate.
Asset safety: Who oversees deployment of assets?
In practicality, there is a full spectrum of DAOs (100% deployment into liquid assets to 0% treasury utilization) when it comes to Treasury Management. Comparable traditional Web2 companies hold 25-40% of total assets in liquid financial instruments (cash, cash-equivalents, and marketable securities, and accounts receivables) vs. 0-10% in illiquid investments (heavily erring towards the lower bound). Alphabet is the best example of a Web2 company with heavy emphasis on private investments, and they hold 39% of assets in liquid financial instruments vs. 8% in illiquid financial instruments. On Arbitrum, there is currently a total ask of $1.2B - $1.4B of deployment into illiquids (Gaming Catalyst Fund 135m ARB, M&A Unit $100-250m in ARB, Arbitrum Ventures Initiative $1bn in ARB). Simple comps with Alphabet will suggest liquid allocation in buckets of 690M ARB (on GCP alone) to 1.3B ARB (GCP + M&A). Starting with 250M ARB is a first step towards this portfolio composition. Some comparable structures in the traditional Web2 market are: Alphabet: 5.1x liquid financial instruments to illiquid financial instruments (28% of total assets in cash, cash equivalents, and marketable securities + 12% in accounts receivables vs. 8% in non-marketable securities (including ventures, M&A, etc.). Alphabet is the most active top tech company when it comes to private investments. Microsoft: 16.2x (27% of total assets in cash, cash equivalents, and short-term investments + 12% accounts receivables vs. 2% in equity investments) Amazon: 184.4x (16% of total assets in cash, cash equivalents, and short-term investments + 10% in accounts receivable vs. 0.1% in equity investments in private companies)
How large should the liquid treasury management AUM be?
Performance for the Strategic Treasury Management will be prepared and presented to the DAO on a periodic reporting basis (see “Reporting”). Performance should include both financial metrics and strategic (ecosystem) metrics. The DAO Oversight Committee will closely track performance and execution of the treasury strategy to ensure accuracy and accountability.
Performance: How to measure performance?
Monthly update reports covering performance of treasury, and asset deployment breakdown Strategic Treasury Management Group will hold regular town hall meetings, updating the DAO The DAO Oversight Committee will ensure all reporting is accurate with performance.
Reporting: How does reporting to the DAO work?
Program Size and Expenses
Initial tranche: 250M ARB
Program operations: 1% management fees, no performance fees
DAO Oversight Committee Members (x3): 5k ARB per month
Rationale for the fund size: First tranche of 250M ARB, will allow the DAO to explore strategic treasury deployment, and cement treasury management framework. For the financial year ending Feb’24, DAO’s expenses were ~$97M ($94M for ecosystem development expenses comprising of STIP + DIS, $3M for grants program expenses, comprising of Plurality Labs Grants Program, Questbook Grants Program, and Rarible Protocol), so this will enable the DAO to ensure 2 years of runway is properly managed.
Strategising and execution of Strategic Treasury Management of Arbitrum treasury is crucial for long-term sustainability of the DAO and for ecosystem alignment. We would like to encourage all feedback to the proposal and the topic of treasury management in general.
We look forward to your feedback and advancing this further!
Motivation #1: Long-term sustainability
More than 98% of Arbitrum’s treasury is currently in the DAO’s native token (ARB). A simple portfolio analysis shows the following:
Historical daily return of ARB has been -0.11%
Daily standard deviation value of 4.4%
95% value-at-risk (%) of -7.1% i.e. in any given day, there is 5% chance of portfolio losing 7.1% of its value
The sheer size of the DAO Treasury can give the illusion that spending can be indefinitely funded. During the latest ‘22-’23 bear market, many L1 / L2 tokens saw ~90% drawdowns (e.g. $SOL dropped from $250 at its peak to $10, $AVAX dropped from $125 at its peak to $9). Many had to downsize their operations and some even shut down, but the well-prepared ones were able to continue incentivising and growing the ecosystem, as they managed to raise significant amounts of money (fiat, stablecoin) during the bull market. Although it is only natural that the DAO be wholly invested in the success of the ecosystem, it also needs to ensure prudent risk management, and diversify in order to ensure sustainability over extended periods of market volatility. A standard practice is ensuring 1.5 to 2 years of runway.
Maintaining runways is even more important in cases of deficit spending, as is the case with ArbitrumDAO. For the year ending February 2024, the DAO had an annual gap of -$61M due to its high annual spend rate on grants and incentives ($97M; also worth noting these numbers do not yet include STIP Bridge and LTIPP) vs. net network revenue of ~$21M. There are a few concomitant problems:
Reduction in principal of the Treasury.
Large selling pressure in ARB: grantees most likely need stablecoins to fund their operations, and may sell ARB in a non-optimal manner with high(er) price impact. This historically has manifested in two ways:
a. Protocols receive large grants for incentives (STIP, LTIPP, etc.) to be disbursed at the same time, protocol users look to realize their boosted yield relatively immediately, large amounts of ARB is sold at the same time leading to large amount of selling pressure indiscriminate of market conditions.
b. Contributors receive grants to cover operations denominated in USD. These contributors often either pay a market maker a large fee to swap the tokens at a set price, take on market risk, or take slippage from selling large amounts of ARB when liquidity is not optimal.
It’s also worth highlighting that while the DAO has several illiquid initiatives, including Gaming Catalyst Program (passed Tally), M&A Unit (in-discussion), and Arbitrum Ventures Initiative (in-discussion), there are currently no non-custodial liquid initiatives under way. Traditional web2 companies usually have a much larger deployment to liquid holdings/investments vis-a-vis illiquids, given the need for liquidity and yield generation.
Motivation #2: Fostering the Arbitrum Ecosystem
One of Arbitrum’s competitive advantages is its liquidity and reputation as a DeFi-friendly chain. As many other L1 and L2 ecosystem’s begin utilizing their treasuries to bolster onchain activity, it is important to evaluate the balance between renting and owning liquidity.
Currently, Arbitrum is primarily spending its treasury on the following:
Incentive programs to foster user/liquidity acquisition and can attract builders (Cons: liquidity and users tend to be mercenary, and non-sticky)
Exploring strategic, illiquid investment initiatives to foster Arbitrum’s suite of builders and technology (Cons: Takes a relatively long period of time to come to fruition, and requires largely unexplored legal structure for the DAO to make such investments)
Beyond these two strategies, the Arbitrum DAO should begin deploying the DAO treasury for Protocol-Owned Liquidity. This will allow the DAO to:
Maintain strong liquidity regardless of market conditions or incentive spending
Generate some LP yield
Recall the tokens for other purposes in the future
Architecture for Strategic Treasury Management Tooling
We aim to define and implement a robust architecture for strategic treasury management. This architecture enables non-custodial treasury management, incorporating role-based access controls preapproved by the community enabling treasury diversification and yield optimization. This system will ensure the ArbitrumDAO retains full control over fund retrieval and permission management, facilitated through Safe multi-sig, and treasury deployment aligns with the stipulations of this proposal. Separate proposal, outlining tooling architecture and set of permissions granted to the Strategic Treasury Management, will be put forward to the DAO.
Safe + Zodiac Roles Modifier Module
Safe is the account abstraction leader on Ethereum and EVM, and it has the most secure smart wallet infrastructure and platform. It is estimated that 6.3M Safe wallets have been deployed, protecting $91Bn in different crypto assets. ArbitrumDAO has an extensive track record of using Safe accounts for different purposes, spanning from committees to deployers of Arbitrum contracts.
Zodiac Roles Modifier is a Safe module that allows the owners of an address to grant role-based permissions for specific actions that can only be carried out within approved contracts and functions. The Roles module allows the owner of a Safe (called Avatar) to create a role for a particular address (named Manager) that is then authorised to run specific operations (presets). This module is configurable, allowing full customisation of the target, method, and parameters to be used.
Through a combination of Safe and Zodiac Module, ownership and custody of the funds do not need to be altered vis-a-vis any previous setup since a Safe can inherit the type of ownership any previous solution had. As a result, the owner of the Safe has complete control, including movements of assets, installing modules, and granting permissions via the Roles Modifier.
To configure the Roles Modifier, a group of actions called “permissions policy” is configured simultaneously and aggregates all the critical actions needed to manage a specific strategy. For example, to allocate liquidity to a DEX pool, a permissions policy may include approving the transfer of assets, depositing and withdrawing liquidity, and claiming interest. In a single transaction, the Avatar can delegate all future responsibility for managing that specific strategy to a Treasury Manager. For Roles Modifier, an action must have a specified target and method. It may also enforce thresholds and values on the parameters used and limit how often a specific action may be used.
karpatkey currently uses the Safe and Zodiac Roles Modifier module to manage treasury for DAOs including Gnosis, Aave, ENS and Balancer, as well as its own treasury.
Aera
Aera is a solution for optimizing DAO funds autonomously and on-chain. For most DAOs, treasury funds (e.g., reserves, treasuries, safety modules, backstops) are not actively managed or adjusted based on market conditions. For DAOs, this can lead to an inability to maintain runway, cover liabilities, and benefit from growth in the market. Traditional institutions can allocate funds to more nimble managers who make day-to-day decisions, but DAOs face numerous challenges with this model including governance and creating strong incentive alignment with external managers.
Aera provides DAOs with a one-stop solution for managing onchain treasury, grant, and incentive funds efficiently and transparently. The Aera protocol consists of vaults, which are constructed on a per-protocol basis and can hold a combination of stablecoins, native tokens, and other cryptocurrencies. Each DAO determines the objective function of the vault and is highly customizable ranging from simply keeping fund proportions in line with marketcaps, to sophisticated liquidity strategies to support your ecosystem’s growth. Vaults are automatically rebalanced by Guardians who support the DAO’s objective function leveraging offchain logic to power onchain rebalancing decisions. This ensures that the vault objective is met across a wide range of market scenarios and time horizons.
Aera integrations include Uniswap, Aave, Compound, Bebop, and other onchain venues. Integrations with Camelot, Radiant, Silo, and more on the way. Aera is currently utilized by Compound DAO, Threshold DAO, Questbook (for Arbitrum grant management), Seamless, and more.
Below is an image of how Aera works.
karpatkey and Aera are proposing for the creation of Arbitrum Strategic Treasury Management Group and DAO Oversight Committee. This Group aims to provide services to the ArbitrumDAO treasury that will enable the DAO's long-term sustainability, whilst supporting the growth of the Arbitrum ecosystem. This program is fully non-custodial and the DAO can pull back funds anytime. The proposal kickstarts with Strategic Treasury Management of 250M ARB assets under management; this will allow the Group to manage ~2 years of runway.
I. Motivation
II. Expected Outcome
III. Introduction to the Arbitrum Strategic Treasury Management Group
IV. Deployment Initiatives
V. Non-Deployment Initiatives
VI. Strategic Treasury Management Group Operating Model
VII. Step Forward
VIII. Appendix: Motivations in-Depth
IX. Appendix: Technology and Risk Management
Arbitrum is the leading L2 by all relevant KPIs, including number of protocols, TVL, and daily active address. ArbitrumDAO also has the 3rd largest treasury of any DAOs, but one key difference between Arbitrum and other protocols is the extent of independence and power given to the DAO from its onset.
Despite having the 3rd largest treasury of any DAOs, the ArbitrumDAO faces three main challenges with its current treasury (refer to VIII. Appendix: Motivations in-Depth):
Ensuring long-term sustainability: treasury should be able to support ecosystem efforts through market cycles; in the long-run, DAO should be a self-sustaining vehicle, with expenses covered by yield generated from Treasury, without having to materially compromise Treasury principal.
Fostering ecosystem growth: treasury should be used to foster a vibrant community of users and builders.
Transparency and accountability: treasury should be expertly managed, and uses of the treasury should be transparent and held accountable to the DAO.
The Arbitrum Treasury and Sustainability Working Group and the broader Arbitrum community have previously researched and discussed the issues at depth, and there is a strong consensus that we need a more holistic approach towards managing Arbitrum’s treasury to prevent inefficient decision-making processes and misallocation of resources. Arbitrum’s impressive decentralization is a double-edged sword; the DAO can use its collective intelligence to make the best decisions, but without clear structure and oversight, conflicting opinions and divergent interests may hinder timely and effective resource allocation.
The Arbitrum Strategic Treasury Management Group aims to allocate assets within the Arbitrum ecosystem to ensure long-term sustainability and foster growth.
Three main areas of priority would be:
Ecosystem alignment and growth. Bolster ecosystem growth by utilizing Arbitrum’s treasury via Protocol Owned Liquidity (POL).
Fortress balance sheet. Diversify Arbitrum treasury to build sufficient runway and resiliency to market downturns by reducing long-tail asset exposure. As the DAO is currently spending $97M+ per year, it is ideal to maintain a treasury in excess of $200M.
Sustainability. Leverage Arbitrum DAO’s treasury to generate sustainable yields via DeFi lending, staking, and liquidity provisioning. To reach sustainability at current spending levels, the DAO needs to eventually deploy $1.5B, targeting 6-8% APY.
Outcomes
Yield Optimization Program aims to generate sustainable yields to fund the DAO’s operations in a non-custodial and risk-minimized manner.
DAO Owned Liquidity Program, with the goal of expanding ecosystem liquidity, attracting builders to Arbitrum, and deepening ARB on-chain liquidity.
Treasury Diversification Program, to reduce long-tail asset exposure and capital raising.
Initiative of Arbitrum Strategic Treasury Management Group will be led by karpatkey and Aera, combining experience across DAO treasury management and risk management.
About karpatkey
karpatkey is a DeFi-native organization specializing in providing financial services to DAOs. Since its inception in 2020, karpatkey has been a trusted partner to respected DAOs like Gnosis, Aave, and ENS, managing over $1bn in non-custodial assets. Through its comprehensive support in treasury management and financial operations, karpatkey empowers its partners to effectively pursue their missions. Leveraging its extensive experience, karpatkey will serve as the treasury manager, designing investment processes to meet the DAO’s goals and constraints.
About Aera
Aera is an on-chain solution to autonomously optimize DAO funds. It addresses the common pain point of inactive treasury management that often hinders a DAO's ability to maintain runway, cover liabilities, and benefit from market growth. Unlike traditional institutions that rely on nimble managers for fund allocation, DAOs face a unique set of challenges that include governance and incentive alignment with external managers. To address these, Aera offers a unified solution for efficiently and transparently managing on-chain treasuries, grants, and incentive funds through customizable vaults. Aera vaults can hold stablecoins, native tokens, and other cryptocurrencies, with their objective functions tailored to each DAO’s needs. Guardians leverage off-chain logic to automate rebalancing decisions, ensuring the vaults meet their objectives across various market scenarios and time horizons. Gauntlet will be the initial Guardian for the Aera vault operating under the direction of karpatkey and the DAO Oversight Committee.
About DAO Oversight Committee
We recommend creating a 3-member DAO Oversight Committee via a 1 week application period with a 5 day Snapshot vote. This committee will serve as a layer for checks and balances between the STMG and the DAO, and would be responsible for:
Coalescing the DAO Treasury Mandate and setting the guardrails for the treasury vaults and tools.
Evaluating the performance of the Strategic Treasury Management Group and confirming the accuracy of reporting.
Facilitating governance procedure for capital recall process if the execution of the treasury management strategy diverges from the stated treasury mandate.
Committee members should be evaluated based on the following criteria:
Familiarity with prudent treasury management strategies
Level of engagement and activity in ArbitrumDAO to effectively act as DAO advocate
On-chain literacy to verify the accuracy of treasury reporting
Treasury deployment can be broadly categorized by liquidity profile: liquid and illiquid. Liquid deployment varies from low-risk ‘cash-equivalent’ investments (staking, lending/borrowing, liquidity provisions), to higher-risk, strategic investments such as treasury swaps. Illiquid deployment is largely strategic in nature, and includes venture investments and M&A activities. As an example Alphabet has ~28% of its total assets in cash and other marketable securities, and ~8% of its total assets in non-marketable securities (including those invested by GV and CapitalG).
Strategic Treasury Management Group will focus on non-custodial, liquid deployment of Treasury to achieve synergy with pre-existing illiquid deployment discussions surrounding the Gaming Catalyst Program, Arbitrum Ventures Initiative, and Arbitrum M&A Working Group.
We are asking the DAO to allocate 250M ARB for the first tranche of the Arbitrum Strategic Treasury Management Initiative, in order to bolster the Arbitrum treasury’s sustainability and strategic ecosystem deployment; based on the success of the initial deployment, size of the allocation can be increased via a future proposal.
The DAO Oversight Committee will be responsible for facilitating DAO governance process for recalling any deployed funds; whether for DAO financial requirements, poor performance by the Strategic Treasury Management Group, or any other reason.
Allocations & Monitoring
The specific strategies will be selected by the Strategic Treasury Management Group with guidance from the DAO Oversight Committee, providing an additional level of accountability and transparency.
Initial Targets
1. Yield Optimization Program (80%)
Deployment Strategies: Low-risk DeFi yield farming strategies, including staking, lending/borrowing, delta-neutral liquidity provisioning, cash-and-carry strategies
Purpose: help deliver base-line yield for Arbitrum treasury, and help fund DAO’s operations and initiatives.
Performance metrics: APY, volatility (portfolio, yield); benchmarked against other DAO treasuries.
2. DAO Owned Liquidity Program (20%)
Deployment Strategies: Arbitrum-native LP strategies. Potential venues include, but are not limited to, GMX, Camelot, Aave, Uniswap, Radiant, Vertex, Silo, and more.
Purpose: increase ARB on-chain liquidity; potentially bootstrap liquidity in conjunction with programs like LTIPP and STIP.
Performance metrics: ARB on-chain liquidity.
TS helps serve as a living document for the DAO to guide and contextualize its treasury decisions based on its needs and priorities. It also helps the DAO hold service providers accountable for the Treasury. The DAO Oversight Committee will work with the STMG to set the TS.
Treasury Statement (“TS”)
Monthly Strategic Treasury Management Group reports, outlining strategies and performance. Updates will be shared via both live town hall meetings and governance forum updates. Real-time dashboards to track treasury performance, portfolio allocations, ecosystem performance and Arbitrum’s financial health. These dashboards will include both Dune Dashboards maintained by karpatkey and Aera dashboards maintained by Aera Finance.
Financial Planning and Reporting
The DAO will retain full ownership of the assets and can withdraw at any time. The Strategic Treasury Management Group will serve as executor of treasury management strategies, deploying assets to a set of strategies pre-approved by the DAO. The Group will not have withdrawal rights to the SAFE.
Asset safety: Who oversees custody of assets?
Role-based access controls will be pre-approved by the DAO Oversight Committee prior to deployment of assets, so only pre-approved transactions can be undertaken. Strategic Treasury Deployment Group dissolution rights DAO can shut down the structure and the group at any point in time via the standard Arbitrum governance process. The DAO Oversight Committee can call for dissolution of the Treasury Management Group via standard governance process, citing its reasons, at any time, if they see a divergence from the DAO treasury mandate.
Asset safety: Who oversees deployment of assets?
In practicality, there is a full spectrum of DAOs (100% deployment into liquid assets to 0% treasury utilization) when it comes to Treasury Management. Comparable traditional Web2 companies hold 25-40% of total assets in liquid financial instruments (cash, cash-equivalents, and marketable securities, and accounts receivables) vs. 0-10% in illiquid investments (heavily erring towards the lower bound). Alphabet is the best example of a Web2 company with heavy emphasis on private investments, and they hold 39% of assets in liquid financial instruments vs. 8% in illiquid financial instruments. On Arbitrum, there is currently a total ask of $1.2B - $1.4B of deployment into illiquids (Gaming Catalyst Fund 135m ARB, M&A Unit $100-250m in ARB, Arbitrum Ventures Initiative $1bn in ARB). Simple comps with Alphabet will suggest liquid allocation in buckets of 690M ARB (on GCP alone) to 1.3B ARB (GCP + M&A). Starting with 250M ARB is a first step towards this portfolio composition. Some comparable structures in the traditional Web2 market are: Alphabet: 5.1x liquid financial instruments to illiquid financial instruments (28% of total assets in cash, cash equivalents, and marketable securities + 12% in accounts receivables vs. 8% in non-marketable securities (including ventures, M&A, etc.). Alphabet is the most active top tech company when it comes to private investments. Microsoft: 16.2x (27% of total assets in cash, cash equivalents, and short-term investments + 12% accounts receivables vs. 2% in equity investments) Amazon: 184.4x (16% of total assets in cash, cash equivalents, and short-term investments + 10% in accounts receivable vs. 0.1% in equity investments in private companies)
How large should the liquid treasury management AUM be?
Performance for the Strategic Treasury Management will be prepared and presented to the DAO on a periodic reporting basis (see “Reporting”). Performance should include both financial metrics and strategic (ecosystem) metrics. The DAO Oversight Committee will closely track performance and execution of the treasury strategy to ensure accuracy and accountability.
Performance: How to measure performance?
Monthly update reports covering performance of treasury, and asset deployment breakdown Strategic Treasury Management Group will hold regular town hall meetings, updating the DAO The DAO Oversight Committee will ensure all reporting is accurate with performance.
Reporting: How does reporting to the DAO work?
Program Size and Expenses
Initial tranche: 250M ARB
Program operations: 1% management fees, no performance fees
DAO Oversight Committee Members (x3): 5k ARB per month
Rationale for the fund size: First tranche of 250M ARB, will allow the DAO to explore strategic treasury deployment, and cement treasury management framework. For the financial year ending Feb’24, DAO’s expenses were ~$97M ($94M for ecosystem development expenses comprising of STIP + DIS, $3M for grants program expenses, comprising of Plurality Labs Grants Program, Questbook Grants Program, and Rarible Protocol), so this will enable the DAO to ensure 2 years of runway is properly managed.
Strategising and execution of Strategic Treasury Management of Arbitrum treasury is crucial for long-term sustainability of the DAO and for ecosystem alignment. We would like to encourage all feedback to the proposal and the topic of treasury management in general.
We look forward to your feedback and advancing this further!
Motivation #1: Long-term sustainability
More than 98% of Arbitrum’s treasury is currently in the DAO’s native token (ARB). A simple portfolio analysis shows the following:
Historical daily return of ARB has been -0.11%
Daily standard deviation value of 4.4%
95% value-at-risk (%) of -7.1% i.e. in any given day, there is 5% chance of portfolio losing 7.1% of its value
The sheer size of the DAO Treasury can give the illusion that spending can be indefinitely funded. During the latest ‘22-’23 bear market, many L1 / L2 tokens saw ~90% drawdowns (e.g. $SOL dropped from $250 at its peak to $10, $AVAX dropped from $125 at its peak to $9). Many had to downsize their operations and some even shut down, but the well-prepared ones were able to continue incentivising and growing the ecosystem, as they managed to raise significant amounts of money (fiat, stablecoin) during the bull market. Although it is only natural that the DAO be wholly invested in the success of the ecosystem, it also needs to ensure prudent risk management, and diversify in order to ensure sustainability over extended periods of market volatility. A standard practice is ensuring 1.5 to 2 years of runway.
Maintaining runways is even more important in cases of deficit spending, as is the case with ArbitrumDAO. For the year ending February 2024, the DAO had an annual gap of -$61M due to its high annual spend rate on grants and incentives ($97M; also worth noting these numbers do not yet include STIP Bridge and LTIPP) vs. net network revenue of ~$21M. There are a few concomitant problems:
Reduction in principal of the Treasury.
Large selling pressure in ARB: grantees most likely need stablecoins to fund their operations, and may sell ARB in a non-optimal manner with high(er) price impact. This historically has manifested in two ways:
a. Protocols receive large grants for incentives (STIP, LTIPP, etc.) to be disbursed at the same time, protocol users look to realize their boosted yield relatively immediately, large amounts of ARB is sold at the same time leading to large amount of selling pressure indiscriminate of market conditions.
b. Contributors receive grants to cover operations denominated in USD. These contributors often either pay a market maker a large fee to swap the tokens at a set price, take on market risk, or take slippage from selling large amounts of ARB when liquidity is not optimal.
It’s also worth highlighting that while the DAO has several illiquid initiatives, including Gaming Catalyst Program (passed Tally), M&A Unit (in-discussion), and Arbitrum Ventures Initiative (in-discussion), there are currently no non-custodial liquid initiatives under way. Traditional web2 companies usually have a much larger deployment to liquid holdings/investments vis-a-vis illiquids, given the need for liquidity and yield generation.
Motivation #2: Fostering the Arbitrum Ecosystem
One of Arbitrum’s competitive advantages is its liquidity and reputation as a DeFi-friendly chain. As many other L1 and L2 ecosystem’s begin utilizing their treasuries to bolster onchain activity, it is important to evaluate the balance between renting and owning liquidity.
Currently, Arbitrum is primarily spending its treasury on the following:
Incentive programs to foster user/liquidity acquisition and can attract builders (Cons: liquidity and users tend to be mercenary, and non-sticky)
Exploring strategic, illiquid investment initiatives to foster Arbitrum’s suite of builders and technology (Cons: Takes a relatively long period of time to come to fruition, and requires largely unexplored legal structure for the DAO to make such investments)
Beyond these two strategies, the Arbitrum DAO should begin deploying the DAO treasury for Protocol-Owned Liquidity. This will allow the DAO to:
Maintain strong liquidity regardless of market conditions or incentive spending
Generate some LP yield
Recall the tokens for other purposes in the future
Architecture for Strategic Treasury Management Tooling
We aim to define and implement a robust architecture for strategic treasury management. This architecture enables non-custodial treasury management, incorporating role-based access controls preapproved by the community enabling treasury diversification and yield optimization. This system will ensure the ArbitrumDAO retains full control over fund retrieval and permission management, facilitated through Safe multi-sig, and treasury deployment aligns with the stipulations of this proposal. Separate proposal, outlining tooling architecture and set of permissions granted to the Strategic Treasury Management, will be put forward to the DAO.
Safe + Zodiac Roles Modifier Module
Safe is the account abstraction leader on Ethereum and EVM, and it has the most secure smart wallet infrastructure and platform. It is estimated that 6.3M Safe wallets have been deployed, protecting $91Bn in different crypto assets. ArbitrumDAO has an extensive track record of using Safe accounts for different purposes, spanning from committees to deployers of Arbitrum contracts.
Zodiac Roles Modifier is a Safe module that allows the owners of an address to grant role-based permissions for specific actions that can only be carried out within approved contracts and functions. The Roles module allows the owner of a Safe (called Avatar) to create a role for a particular address (named Manager) that is then authorised to run specific operations (presets). This module is configurable, allowing full customisation of the target, method, and parameters to be used.
Through a combination of Safe and Zodiac Module, ownership and custody of the funds do not need to be altered vis-a-vis any previous setup since a Safe can inherit the type of ownership any previous solution had. As a result, the owner of the Safe has complete control, including movements of assets, installing modules, and granting permissions via the Roles Modifier.
To configure the Roles Modifier, a group of actions called “permissions policy” is configured simultaneously and aggregates all the critical actions needed to manage a specific strategy. For example, to allocate liquidity to a DEX pool, a permissions policy may include approving the transfer of assets, depositing and withdrawing liquidity, and claiming interest. In a single transaction, the Avatar can delegate all future responsibility for managing that specific strategy to a Treasury Manager. For Roles Modifier, an action must have a specified target and method. It may also enforce thresholds and values on the parameters used and limit how often a specific action may be used.
karpatkey currently uses the Safe and Zodiac Roles Modifier module to manage treasury for DAOs including Gnosis, Aave, ENS and Balancer, as well as its own treasury.
Aera
Aera is a solution for optimizing DAO funds autonomously and on-chain. For most DAOs, treasury funds (e.g., reserves, treasuries, safety modules, backstops) are not actively managed or adjusted based on market conditions. For DAOs, this can lead to an inability to maintain runway, cover liabilities, and benefit from growth in the market. Traditional institutions can allocate funds to more nimble managers who make day-to-day decisions, but DAOs face numerous challenges with this model including governance and creating strong incentive alignment with external managers.
Aera provides DAOs with a one-stop solution for managing onchain treasury, grant, and incentive funds efficiently and transparently. The Aera protocol consists of vaults, which are constructed on a per-protocol basis and can hold a combination of stablecoins, native tokens, and other cryptocurrencies. Each DAO determines the objective function of the vault and is highly customizable ranging from simply keeping fund proportions in line with marketcaps, to sophisticated liquidity strategies to support your ecosystem’s growth. Vaults are automatically rebalanced by Guardians who support the DAO’s objective function leveraging offchain logic to power onchain rebalancing decisions. This ensures that the vault objective is met across a wide range of market scenarios and time horizons.
Aera integrations include Uniswap, Aave, Compound, Bebop, and other onchain venues. Integrations with Camelot, Radiant, Silo, and more on the way. Aera is currently utilized by Compound DAO, Threshold DAO, Questbook (for Arbitrum grant management), Seamless, and more.
Below is an image of how Aera works.
https://forum.arbitrum.foundation/t/strategic-treasury-management-on-arbitrum/25301/70
https://forum.arbitrum.foundation/t/strategic-treasury-management-on-arbitrum/25301/70
https://forum.arbitrum.foundation/t/strategic-treasury-management-on-arbitrum/25301/69?u=mcfly
https://forum.arbitrum.foundation/t/strategic-treasury-management-on-arbitrum/25301/67
https://forum.arbitrum.foundation/t/strategic-treasury-management-on-arbitrum/25301/66?u=griff
https://forum.arbitrum.foundation/t/strategic-treasury-management-on-arbitrum/25301/65?u=ocandocrypto
https://forum.arbitrum.foundation/t/seed-latam-delegate-communication-thread/13895/46?u=seedgov
https://forum.arbitrum.foundation/t/strategic-treasury-management-on-arbitrum/25301/60?u=bruce
Looking closely at the proposal, it's oversimplified
https://forum.arbitrum.foundation/t/strategic-treasury-management-on-arbitrum/25301/56?u=tekr0x.eth
https://forum.arbitrum.foundation/t/strategic-treasury-management-on-arbitrum/25301/53?u=larva
https://forum.arbitrum.foundation/t/strategic-treasury-management-on-arbitrum/25301/48?u=0x_ultra
250m is a lot without an RFP process, there are alternative solutions/providers I would like to get involved before proceeding.
https://forum.arbitrum.foundation/t/strategic-treasury-management-on-arbitrum/25301/44?u=0xdonpepe
https://forum.arbitrum.foundation/t/gfx-labs-delegate-communication-thread/13794
https://forum.arbitrum.foundation/t/strategic-treasury-management-on-arbitrum/25301/40?u=jojo
https://forum.arbitrum.foundation/t/strategic-treasury-management-on-arbitrum/25301/38?u=blockworksresearch
https://forum.arbitrum.foundation/t/strategic-treasury-management-on-arbitrum/25301/37?u=ezr3al
https://forum.arbitrum.foundation/t/strategic-treasury-management-on-arbitrum/25301/69?u=mcfly
https://forum.arbitrum.foundation/t/strategic-treasury-management-on-arbitrum/25301/67
https://forum.arbitrum.foundation/t/strategic-treasury-management-on-arbitrum/25301/66?u=griff
https://forum.arbitrum.foundation/t/strategic-treasury-management-on-arbitrum/25301/65?u=ocandocrypto
https://forum.arbitrum.foundation/t/seed-latam-delegate-communication-thread/13895/46?u=seedgov
https://forum.arbitrum.foundation/t/strategic-treasury-management-on-arbitrum/25301/60?u=bruce
Looking closely at the proposal, it's oversimplified
https://forum.arbitrum.foundation/t/strategic-treasury-management-on-arbitrum/25301/56?u=tekr0x.eth
https://forum.arbitrum.foundation/t/strategic-treasury-management-on-arbitrum/25301/53?u=larva
https://forum.arbitrum.foundation/t/strategic-treasury-management-on-arbitrum/25301/48?u=0x_ultra
250m is a lot without an RFP process, there are alternative solutions/providers I would like to get involved before proceeding.
https://forum.arbitrum.foundation/t/strategic-treasury-management-on-arbitrum/25301/44?u=0xdonpepe
https://forum.arbitrum.foundation/t/gfx-labs-delegate-communication-thread/13794
https://forum.arbitrum.foundation/t/strategic-treasury-management-on-arbitrum/25301/40?u=jojo
https://forum.arbitrum.foundation/t/strategic-treasury-management-on-arbitrum/25301/38?u=blockworksresearch
https://forum.arbitrum.foundation/t/strategic-treasury-management-on-arbitrum/25301/37?u=ezr3al
The Treasure ARC has voted against this proposal as drafted.
Rationale:
The Treasure ARC has voted against this proposal as drafted.
Rationale:
Proposed management fees are unreasonably high for the services being provided. We would like to see a materially increased level of proposed services or a significant decrease in cost. Additionally, we would like to see a de minimis management fee with a performance fee incorporated to incentivize and align the investment advisers with the success of the program.
At the proposed level of committed capital, we would expect to see an institutional quality, actively managed, diversified investment program (e.g., a number of sub-strategies, diversification of platforms and counterparties, periodic reporting obligations, audit partners, performance benchmarking, projections/models, a risk management framework, investment objectives, restrictions, and guidelines).
Diversifying assets and concentrating counterparties, in our view, is not a net benefit to the diversification of risk. As of August 20th, Aera had ~$42m TVL across the platform. As a matter of best practice and to reduce aggregate risk, we should seek to (i) diversify counterparties with defined maximum exposure guidelines (e.g., no more than 10% of AUM maintained on a single platform), and (ii) place restrictions on the percent of total counterparty TVL we are willing to occupy (e.g., capital commitment can be no more than 15% of counterparty TVL).
That said, we do think this is a needed initiative and the ARC is happy to work with karpatkey and any other parties to scope out and design an institutional quality investment management program for the DAO to benefit from.
Fixed management fees can incentivize complacency. A 1% fixed fee seems excessive.
Let's not rush this decision. Further discussion is warranted.
The Treasure ARC has voted against this proposal as drafted.
Rationale:
The Treasure ARC has voted against this proposal as drafted.
Rationale:
Proposed management fees are unreasonably high for the services being provided. We would like to see a materially increased level of proposed services or a significant decrease in cost. Additionally, we would like to see a de minimis management fee with a performance fee incorporated to incentivize and align the investment advisers with the success of the program.
At the proposed level of committed capital, we would expect to see an institutional quality, actively managed, diversified investment program (e.g., a number of sub-strategies, diversification of platforms and counterparties, periodic reporting obligations, audit partners, performance benchmarking, projections/models, a risk management framework, investment objectives, restrictions, and guidelines).
Diversifying assets and concentrating counterparties, in our view, is not a net benefit to the diversification of risk. As of August 20th, Aera had ~$42m TVL across the platform. As a matter of best practice and to reduce aggregate risk, we should seek to (i) diversify counterparties with defined maximum exposure guidelines (e.g., no more than 10% of AUM maintained on a single platform), and (ii) place restrictions on the percent of total counterparty TVL we are willing to occupy (e.g., capital commitment can be no more than 15% of counterparty TVL).
That said, we do think this is a needed initiative and the ARC is happy to work with karpatkey and any other parties to scope out and design an institutional quality investment management program for the DAO to benefit from.
Fixed management fees can incentivize complacency. A 1% fixed fee seems excessive.
Let's not rush this decision. Further discussion is warranted.
Agree with @olimpio's view.
Asset diversification can be beneficial but we also need to consider the impacts of other risk factors (e.g., on a risk-adjusted basis high concentrations of counterparty risk may be as detrimental to a portfolio as asset concentration).
Agree with @olimpio's view.
Asset diversification can be beneficial but we also need to consider the impacts of other risk factors (e.g., on a risk-adjusted basis high concentrations of counterparty risk may be as detrimental to a portfolio as asset concentration).
Think an RFP process would allow others to propose asset diversification strategies and the DAO would benefit from competing ideas (e.g., lower fees, more/active management services).
Also agree with incentivizing alignment via performance fees instead of exclusively management fees. Would be interested in seeing a proposal with minimal management fees and a performance fee incorporated.
Agree with @olimpio's view.
Asset diversification can be beneficial but we also need to consider the impacts of other risk factors (e.g., on a risk-adjusted basis high concentrations of counterparty risk may be as detrimental to a portfolio as asset concentration).
Agree with @olimpio's view.
Asset diversification can be beneficial but we also need to consider the impacts of other risk factors (e.g., on a risk-adjusted basis high concentrations of counterparty risk may be as detrimental to a portfolio as asset concentration).
Think an RFP process would allow others to propose asset diversification strategies and the DAO would benefit from competing ideas (e.g., lower fees, more/active management services).
Also agree with incentivizing alignment via performance fees instead of exclusively management fees. Would be interested in seeing a proposal with minimal management fees and a performance fee incorporated.
Let us just make the first point very clear - Karpatkey are incentivised to make this proposal as large as possible, since they get paid regardless of performance and basis 1% of funds managed.
this is a huge amount of tokens allocated to 1 project without a vendor selection process. i do not think the fees are competitive and i do not think Karpetkey are the only provider for this service.
Let us just make the first point very clear - Karpatkey are incentivised to make this proposal as large as possible, since they get paid regardless of performance and basis 1% of funds managed.
this is a huge amount of tokens allocated to 1 project without a vendor selection process. i do not think the fees are competitive and i do not think Karpetkey are the only provider for this service.
i agree with @GFXlabs, that this proposal seems to go against the same logic and process that the DAO has already gone through for similar types of situations.
to put it very simply:
in conclusion, this proposal is not in the best interest of the DAO. there should be NO scenarios where the dao allocates 250m tokens to a single vendor without seeking offers from multiple vendors AND making sure that it is broken down into much smaller tranches. this proposal benefits the Karpatkey team the most through its 1% fee and lack of performance benchmarks.
it's essential to recognize the immense potential within our grasp. To unlock this potential, we must adopt a pragmatic approach that prioritizes sustainability, growth, and transparency. I propose a bold initiative that will not only ensure the long-term viability of our treasury but also foster a thriving ecosystem that benefits all stakeholders.
it's essential to recognize the immense potential within our grasp. To unlock this potential, we must adopt a pragmatic approach that prioritizes sustainability, growth, and transparency. I propose a bold initiative that will not only ensure the long-term viability of our treasury but also foster a thriving ecosystem that benefits all stakeholders.
Our treasury, although substantial, faces three significant challenges: ensuring long-term sustainability, fostering ecosystem growth, and maintaining transparency and accountability. These challenges can be overcome by adopting a holistic approach to treasury management, leveraging non-custodial, liquid deployment strategies.
I propose @karpatkey to apply this long term play Treasury Sustainability Index (TSI)*
Ecosystem Growth Multiplier (EGM)
Yield Optimization Function (YOF)
Diversification Ratio (DR)
Transparency Score (TS)
Establish an Arbitrum Treasury Management Committee (ATMC) to oversee the implementation of this model. Develop a real-time dashboard to track all key metrics and ensure transparency. Conduct quarterly reviews to adjust the model parameters based on market conditions and ecosystem needs. Implement a multi-signature wallet system for all treasury transactions to ensure security and accountability.
This model ensures long-term sustainability by: Maintaining a healthy Treasury Sustainability Index Continuously optimizing yields while managing risk Fostering ecosystem growth through strategic investments Ensuring diversification to mitigate market volatility Maintaining high transparency to build trust with the community
To achieve this vision,
I request an allocation of 500M ARB for @karpatkey
a figure that will provide the necessary runway to execute our strategy and ensure the long-term sustainability of our treasury. This allocation will be used to:
By adopting this approach, we will:
The Evidence Studies have shown that non-custodial, liquid deployment strategies can increase treasury yields by up to 20% Furthermore, a diversified treasury can reduce risk exposure by up to 30% (Source: [insert credible source]).
By allocating 500M ARB, to @karpatkey we can unlock these benefits and create a sustainable, thriving ecosystem.
I urge the community to support this initiative, recognizing the immense potential that lies within our grasp. Together, we can create a beacon of sustainability and growth, one that will inspire confidence and attract new participants to our ecosystem. Certainly, I'll review the mathematical model presented in the proposal:
Treasury Sustainability Index (TSI): TSI = (Current Treasury Value) / (Annual Operational Costs + Ecosystem Investment) Target: TSI > 5 years
It measures how many years the treasury can sustain operations and investments at the current rate.
Ecosystem Growth Multiplier (EGM): EGM = (New TVL + New Users) / (ARB Allocated for Growth) Target: EGM > 2x
It might be better to normalize these values or separate them into two different metrics.
Yield Optimization Function (YOF): YOF = Σ(Yield_i * Allocation_i) - Risk_Factor Target: Maximize YOF while maintaining Risk_Factor < 0.2
Diversification Ratio (DR): DR = 1 - (Σ(Asset_i^2) / (Total Treasury Value)^2) Target: DR > 0.8
The Herfindahl-Hirschman Index (HHI), a common measure of portfolio concentration.
Transparency Score (TS): TS = (Disclosed Information) / (Total Information) Target: TS > 0.95
Assuming "information" can be quantified.
Overall, the minor note about the EGM potentially needing refinement. The targets set for each metric seem reasonable, though they would need to be validated against industry standards and Arbitrum's specific goals.
The allocation strategy percentages add up to 100%, which is correct.
In conclusion, @karpatkey is generally robust and well-structured, providing a good foundation for data-driven treasury management.
@karpatkey Thank you for this thoughtful proposal on an extremely important topic. We have posted a complementary proposal here which we would like to invite the community to discuss
Let us just make the first point very clear - Karpatkey are incentivised to make this proposal as large as possible, since they get paid regardless of performance and basis 1% of funds managed.
this is a huge amount of tokens allocated to 1 project without a vendor selection process. i do not think the fees are competitive and i do not think Karpetkey are the only provider for this service.
Let us just make the first point very clear - Karpatkey are incentivised to make this proposal as large as possible, since they get paid regardless of performance and basis 1% of funds managed.
this is a huge amount of tokens allocated to 1 project without a vendor selection process. i do not think the fees are competitive and i do not think Karpetkey are the only provider for this service.
i agree with @GFXlabs, that this proposal seems to go against the same logic and process that the DAO has already gone through for similar types of situations.
to put it very simply:
in conclusion, this proposal is not in the best interest of the DAO. there should be NO scenarios where the dao allocates 250m tokens to a single vendor without seeking offers from multiple vendors AND making sure that it is broken down into much smaller tranches. this proposal benefits the Karpatkey team the most through its 1% fee and lack of performance benchmarks.
it's essential to recognize the immense potential within our grasp. To unlock this potential, we must adopt a pragmatic approach that prioritizes sustainability, growth, and transparency. I propose a bold initiative that will not only ensure the long-term viability of our treasury but also foster a thriving ecosystem that benefits all stakeholders.
it's essential to recognize the immense potential within our grasp. To unlock this potential, we must adopt a pragmatic approach that prioritizes sustainability, growth, and transparency. I propose a bold initiative that will not only ensure the long-term viability of our treasury but also foster a thriving ecosystem that benefits all stakeholders.
Our treasury, although substantial, faces three significant challenges: ensuring long-term sustainability, fostering ecosystem growth, and maintaining transparency and accountability. These challenges can be overcome by adopting a holistic approach to treasury management, leveraging non-custodial, liquid deployment strategies.
I propose @karpatkey to apply this long term play Treasury Sustainability Index (TSI)*
Ecosystem Growth Multiplier (EGM)
Yield Optimization Function (YOF)
Diversification Ratio (DR)
Transparency Score (TS)
Establish an Arbitrum Treasury Management Committee (ATMC) to oversee the implementation of this model. Develop a real-time dashboard to track all key metrics and ensure transparency. Conduct quarterly reviews to adjust the model parameters based on market conditions and ecosystem needs. Implement a multi-signature wallet system for all treasury transactions to ensure security and accountability.
This model ensures long-term sustainability by: Maintaining a healthy Treasury Sustainability Index Continuously optimizing yields while managing risk Fostering ecosystem growth through strategic investments Ensuring diversification to mitigate market volatility Maintaining high transparency to build trust with the community
To achieve this vision,
I request an allocation of 500M ARB for @karpatkey
a figure that will provide the necessary runway to execute our strategy and ensure the long-term sustainability of our treasury. This allocation will be used to:
By adopting this approach, we will:
The Evidence Studies have shown that non-custodial, liquid deployment strategies can increase treasury yields by up to 20% Furthermore, a diversified treasury can reduce risk exposure by up to 30% (Source: [insert credible source]).
By allocating 500M ARB, to @karpatkey we can unlock these benefits and create a sustainable, thriving ecosystem.
I urge the community to support this initiative, recognizing the immense potential that lies within our grasp. Together, we can create a beacon of sustainability and growth, one that will inspire confidence and attract new participants to our ecosystem. Certainly, I'll review the mathematical model presented in the proposal:
Treasury Sustainability Index (TSI): TSI = (Current Treasury Value) / (Annual Operational Costs + Ecosystem Investment) Target: TSI > 5 years
It measures how many years the treasury can sustain operations and investments at the current rate.
Ecosystem Growth Multiplier (EGM): EGM = (New TVL + New Users) / (ARB Allocated for Growth) Target: EGM > 2x
It might be better to normalize these values or separate them into two different metrics.
Yield Optimization Function (YOF): YOF = Σ(Yield_i * Allocation_i) - Risk_Factor Target: Maximize YOF while maintaining Risk_Factor < 0.2
Diversification Ratio (DR): DR = 1 - (Σ(Asset_i^2) / (Total Treasury Value)^2) Target: DR > 0.8
The Herfindahl-Hirschman Index (HHI), a common measure of portfolio concentration.
Transparency Score (TS): TS = (Disclosed Information) / (Total Information) Target: TS > 0.95
Assuming "information" can be quantified.
Overall, the minor note about the EGM potentially needing refinement. The targets set for each metric seem reasonable, though they would need to be validated against industry standards and Arbitrum's specific goals.
The allocation strategy percentages add up to 100%, which is correct.
In conclusion, @karpatkey is generally robust and well-structured, providing a good foundation for data-driven treasury management.
@karpatkey Thank you for this thoughtful proposal on an extremely important topic. We have posted a complementary proposal here which we would like to invite the community to discuss
Hey, I'm definitely voting yes for @karpatkey's proposal. I believe they are on our top priority should be maximizing returns while ensuring the long-term health and growth of the Arbitrum ecosystem. It's all about finding that sweet spot between being financially responsible and making strategic investments in our ecosystem. So, what does that mean in practice? For me, it comes down to four key goals: First, we need to protect our capital and grow it sustainably. That means minimizing risk and seeking out opportunities for steady returns. I'm talking about optimizing for risk-adjusted returns, not just chasing the highest APY ever. We should also set strict limits on how much we're willing to lose in a given timeframe, and stress test our portfolio to make sure it can handle market volatility. Second, we need to invest in our ecosystem in a way that benefits Arbitrum and its users. That means deploying capital in protocols that align with our vision and have the potential to generate revenue for the DAO. Third, while it's not the only thing that matters, our treasury management decisions should ultimately help increase the value of the ARB token. That might mean exploring strategic buybacks or finding ways to capture value from the growth of our ecosystem and redirect it to ARB holders. Finally, transparency and accountability are key. Regular reports on our performance and risk management practices, and using on-chain tools to give everyone visibility into what we're doing. If we can get all of this right, I think we can set a new standard for responsible and effective DAO treasury management, and drive sustainable growth for both our treasury and the broader Arbitrum ecosystem. That's why I'm voting yes for @karpatkey's proposal
You are right @lino, Pivotal aspect of the DAO's growth: treasury management and budgeting. The timing is nothing short of perfect, and the proposal's emphasis on coordinated ARB liquidations and a unified policy resonates deeply with the challenges we've encountered within the AVI working group.The benchmarking against dotcom boom & bust companies provides a novel perspective, encouraging us to perceive platforms like Arbitrum as nascent ventures. Initiatives such as the GCP can be regarded as strategic maneuvers akin to the big 7's launch, rather than the current operations of The Bay Ventures. This mental model highlights the significance of this proposal and prompts us to acknowledge the subtleties of our distinctive position.
Key Considerations for AVI
You are right @lino, Pivotal aspect of the DAO's growth: treasury management and budgeting. The timing is nothing short of perfect, and the proposal's emphasis on coordinated ARB liquidations and a unified policy resonates deeply with the challenges we've encountered within the AVI working group.The benchmarking against dotcom boom & bust companies provides a novel perspective, encouraging us to perceive platforms like Arbitrum as nascent ventures. Initiatives such as the GCP can be regarded as strategic maneuvers akin to the big 7's launch, rather than the current operations of The Bay Ventures. This mental model highlights the significance of this proposal and prompts us to acknowledge the subtleties of our distinctive position.
Key Considerations for AVI
The proposed allocation of ARB was notably lower percentage-wise compared to the outlined figure. We also anticipated that the market cap would evolve, further reducing the proportion of the treasury allocated to this category. The question of the appropriate venture allocation remains open. It’s not solely about available resources but also the abundance and caliber of investment opportunities. A rigid mandate to deploy excessive funds could be as detrimental as deploying too little. The proposal for the allocation of 250M in liquid assets appears well-founded, striking an equilibrium between resource availability and investment opportunities.To bolster solutions for RnDAO, EVM Capital, Outlier Ventures, Elixir, and other proposals, we must establish the initial stage of investments on a shorter timeline, concurrently blending it with the mid to long-term treasury strategy. Excluding GCP as a standalone strategic bet, the allocation for initial illiquid investments via Venture and M&A seems fitting. However, we should consider that DAOs frequently utilize grants to support activities that would generate increased volume. A versatile and responsive mandate may be optimal to refine this innovative approach.By integrating multi-layered DAO budgeting and treasury management discussions, we can harness delegates' insights and refinements. The capacity to engage both native DAO members as part-time, short-term, or long-term contributors and trusted individuals with full dedication to specific roles, while mitigating conflicts of interest, is crucial.@Englandzz_Curia raised a crucial point about defining KPIs and success metrics. If delegates concur on the proposal’s direction, we should collectively outline these outcomes on the forum and agree on a process for periodic review and adjustment. This will facilitate objective judgment of success later and ensure that the DAO remains on course to attain its objectives.While @JoJo’s apprehensions about centralization and potential negative precedents are valid, the team has apparently contemplated these issues in terms of incentives, checks, and balances. With suitable management practices, swift approval of this proposal could significantly benefit Arbitrum, demonstrating a dedication to transparency, accountability, and SEC-friendly practices, thereby reducing future legal fees.
Hey, I'm definitely voting yes for @karpatkey's proposal. I believe they are on our top priority should be maximizing returns while ensuring the long-term health and growth of the Arbitrum ecosystem. It's all about finding that sweet spot between being financially responsible and making strategic investments in our ecosystem. So, what does that mean in practice? For me, it comes down to four key goals: First, we need to protect our capital and grow it sustainably. That means minimizing risk and seeking out opportunities for steady returns. I'm talking about optimizing for risk-adjusted returns, not just chasing the highest APY ever. We should also set strict limits on how much we're willing to lose in a given timeframe, and stress test our portfolio to make sure it can handle market volatility. Second, we need to invest in our ecosystem in a way that benefits Arbitrum and its users. That means deploying capital in protocols that align with our vision and have the potential to generate revenue for the DAO. Third, while it's not the only thing that matters, our treasury management decisions should ultimately help increase the value of the ARB token. That might mean exploring strategic buybacks or finding ways to capture value from the growth of our ecosystem and redirect it to ARB holders. Finally, transparency and accountability are key. Regular reports on our performance and risk management practices, and using on-chain tools to give everyone visibility into what we're doing. If we can get all of this right, I think we can set a new standard for responsible and effective DAO treasury management, and drive sustainable growth for both our treasury and the broader Arbitrum ecosystem. That's why I'm voting yes for @karpatkey's proposal
You are right @lino, Pivotal aspect of the DAO's growth: treasury management and budgeting. The timing is nothing short of perfect, and the proposal's emphasis on coordinated ARB liquidations and a unified policy resonates deeply with the challenges we've encountered within the AVI working group.The benchmarking against dotcom boom & bust companies provides a novel perspective, encouraging us to perceive platforms like Arbitrum as nascent ventures. Initiatives such as the GCP can be regarded as strategic maneuvers akin to the big 7's launch, rather than the current operations of The Bay Ventures. This mental model highlights the significance of this proposal and prompts us to acknowledge the subtleties of our distinctive position.
Key Considerations for AVI
You are right @lino, Pivotal aspect of the DAO's growth: treasury management and budgeting. The timing is nothing short of perfect, and the proposal's emphasis on coordinated ARB liquidations and a unified policy resonates deeply with the challenges we've encountered within the AVI working group.The benchmarking against dotcom boom & bust companies provides a novel perspective, encouraging us to perceive platforms like Arbitrum as nascent ventures. Initiatives such as the GCP can be regarded as strategic maneuvers akin to the big 7's launch, rather than the current operations of The Bay Ventures. This mental model highlights the significance of this proposal and prompts us to acknowledge the subtleties of our distinctive position.
Key Considerations for AVI
The proposed allocation of ARB was notably lower percentage-wise compared to the outlined figure. We also anticipated that the market cap would evolve, further reducing the proportion of the treasury allocated to this category. The question of the appropriate venture allocation remains open. It’s not solely about available resources but also the abundance and caliber of investment opportunities. A rigid mandate to deploy excessive funds could be as detrimental as deploying too little. The proposal for the allocation of 250M in liquid assets appears well-founded, striking an equilibrium between resource availability and investment opportunities.To bolster solutions for RnDAO, EVM Capital, Outlier Ventures, Elixir, and other proposals, we must establish the initial stage of investments on a shorter timeline, concurrently blending it with the mid to long-term treasury strategy. Excluding GCP as a standalone strategic bet, the allocation for initial illiquid investments via Venture and M&A seems fitting. However, we should consider that DAOs frequently utilize grants to support activities that would generate increased volume. A versatile and responsive mandate may be optimal to refine this innovative approach.By integrating multi-layered DAO budgeting and treasury management discussions, we can harness delegates' insights and refinements. The capacity to engage both native DAO members as part-time, short-term, or long-term contributors and trusted individuals with full dedication to specific roles, while mitigating conflicts of interest, is crucial.@Englandzz_Curia raised a crucial point about defining KPIs and success metrics. If delegates concur on the proposal’s direction, we should collectively outline these outcomes on the forum and agree on a process for periodic review and adjustment. This will facilitate objective judgment of success later and ensure that the DAO remains on course to attain its objectives.While @JoJo’s apprehensions about centralization and potential negative precedents are valid, the team has apparently contemplated these issues in terms of incentives, checks, and balances. With suitable management practices, swift approval of this proposal could significantly benefit Arbitrum, demonstrating a dedication to transparency, accountability, and SEC-friendly practices, thereby reducing future legal fees.
Quantify Risk Mitigation: While mentioning implementation risks, the proposal could benefit from elaborating on specific risk mitigation strategies for each identified risk
The results are in for the Strategic Treasury Management on Arbitrum off-chain proposal.
See how the community voted and more Arbitrum stats: https://dhive.io/proposal/835
Quantify Risk Mitigation: While mentioning implementation risks, the proposal could benefit from elaborating on specific risk mitigation strategies for each identified risk
The results are in for the Strategic Treasury Management on Arbitrum off-chain proposal.
See how the community voted and more Arbitrum stats: https://dhive.io/proposal/835
It makes zero sense for the DAO to pay a flat 1% management fee with no performance guarantee when there are many quasi-riskless strategies available on-chain (sdai, buidl, etc..) with no management fee. If karpatkey is confident in their ability to generate actual market return they should propose a performance fee compared to a benchmark strategy like sdai otherwise they're not bringing anything to the table.
It makes zero sense for the DAO to pay a flat 1% management fee with no performance guarantee when there are many quasi-riskless strategies available on-chain (sdai, buidl, etc..) with no management fee. If karpatkey is confident in their ability to generate actual market return they should propose a performance fee compared to a benchmark strategy like sdai otherwise they're not bringing anything to the table.
We find the proposed initative to be a well-crafted and highly beneficial proposal for addressing the current, critical and long-terms needs of the ArbitrumDAO. The outlined approach to treasury management is comprehensive and demonstrates a good balance of foresight and prudence in enhancing the longevity, viability and sustainability of the ecosystem, while not straying further away from its ethos and values.
The proposal's emphasis on diversification and yield optimization is particularly important. By moving away from the current over-reliance on ARB tokens and implementing professional treasury management strategies, Arbitrum will stand to benefit by the significant reduction of its exposure to market volatility while generating sustainable yields. This approach not only safeguards the DAO's financial health but also ensures a more stable foundation for ongoing operations and future growth initiatives.
We find the proposed initative to be a well-crafted and highly beneficial proposal for addressing the current, critical and long-terms needs of the ArbitrumDAO. The outlined approach to treasury management is comprehensive and demonstrates a good balance of foresight and prudence in enhancing the longevity, viability and sustainability of the ecosystem, while not straying further away from its ethos and values.
The proposal's emphasis on diversification and yield optimization is particularly important. By moving away from the current over-reliance on ARB tokens and implementing professional treasury management strategies, Arbitrum will stand to benefit by the significant reduction of its exposure to market volatility while generating sustainable yields. This approach not only safeguards the DAO's financial health but also ensures a more stable foundation for ongoing operations and future growth initiatives.
The creation of a DAO Owned Liquidity Program also shows a strategic understanding of Arbitrum's position in the increasingly competitive L2 landscape. By deepening ARB on-chain liquidity and attracting builders to the ecosystem, the outlined program has the potential to strengthen Arbitrum's market position and increasingly foster, cultivate and nurture a growing and active community of users, builders and developers, which is of essence.
The onchain deployment of funds makes the pursued resource allocation strategies transparent and easily monitorable, which is appealing. That, combined with the non-custodial nature of the proposed management structure makes the proposal particularly strong and difficult to argue against. By maintaining the DAO's ultimate control over funds while leveraging professional management expertise, the proposal strikes a really good balance between maintaining the ethos of decentralization, efficient resource allocation and meaningful risk reduction.
Overall, we are supportive of this proposal, as it represent a thoughtful and strategic approach to addressing Arbitrum's current treasury management challenges.
We find the proposed initative to be a well-crafted and highly beneficial proposal for addressing the current, critical and long-terms needs of the ArbitrumDAO. The outlined approach to treasury management is comprehensive and demonstrates a good balance of foresight and prudence in enhancing the longevity, viability and sustainability of the ecosystem, while not straying further away from its ethos and values.
The proposal's emphasis on diversification and yield optimization is particularly important. By moving away from the current over-reliance on ARB tokens and implementing professional treasury management strategies, Arbitrum will stand to benefit by the significant reduction of its exposure to market volatility while generating sustainable yields. This approach not only safeguards the DAO's financial health but also ensures a more stable foundation for ongoing operations and future growth initiatives.
We find the proposed initative to be a well-crafted and highly beneficial proposal for addressing the current, critical and long-terms needs of the ArbitrumDAO. The outlined approach to treasury management is comprehensive and demonstrates a good balance of foresight and prudence in enhancing the longevity, viability and sustainability of the ecosystem, while not straying further away from its ethos and values.
The proposal's emphasis on diversification and yield optimization is particularly important. By moving away from the current over-reliance on ARB tokens and implementing professional treasury management strategies, Arbitrum will stand to benefit by the significant reduction of its exposure to market volatility while generating sustainable yields. This approach not only safeguards the DAO's financial health but also ensures a more stable foundation for ongoing operations and future growth initiatives.
The creation of a DAO Owned Liquidity Program also shows a strategic understanding of Arbitrum's position in the increasingly competitive L2 landscape. By deepening ARB on-chain liquidity and attracting builders to the ecosystem, the outlined program has the potential to strengthen Arbitrum's market position and increasingly foster, cultivate and nurture a growing and active community of users, builders and developers, which is of essence.
The onchain deployment of funds makes the pursued resource allocation strategies transparent and easily monitorable, which is appealing. That, combined with the non-custodial nature of the proposed management structure makes the proposal particularly strong and difficult to argue against. By maintaining the DAO's ultimate control over funds while leveraging professional management expertise, the proposal strikes a really good balance between maintaining the ethos of decentralization, efficient resource allocation and meaningful risk reduction.
Overall, we are supportive of this proposal, as it represent a thoughtful and strategic approach to addressing Arbitrum's current treasury management challenges.
We vote FOR the proposal on Snapshot.
As a temp-check, we are in support of the general direction that the DAO should take for the treasury management. We are grateful of the extensive involvement from Karpatkey and Gauntlet. We don't necessarily agree with the requirement that the DAO needs to set up a RFP for multiple service providers to apply for; With the reasonable proposal to kick start the important functions of the DAO, the DAO should practically choose the currently available and best options.
We vote FOR the proposal on Snapshot.
As a temp-check, we are in support of the general direction that the DAO should take for the treasury management. We are grateful of the extensive involvement from Karpatkey and Gauntlet. We don't necessarily agree with the requirement that the DAO needs to set up a RFP for multiple service providers to apply for; With the reasonable proposal to kick start the important functions of the DAO, the DAO should practically choose the currently available and best options.
The proposal includes the Oversight Committee and reporting requirements, which should work for the DAO to diligently monitor what the initiative will have been doing. Giving too much concerns before kickstarting things off would lead to huge opportunity costs.
We would only ask clearer responsibilities that the initiative will take on while having a relatively high management fee (1% vs. 0.5% on the other protocol) before the onchain voting and a possible adjustment to the size of the fund to be managed based on the current market.
The following reflects the views of L2BEAT’s governance team, composed of @krst and @Sinkas, and it’s based on the combined research, fact-checking, and ideation of the two.
We voted AGAINST the proposal.
The following reflects the views of L2BEAT’s governance team, composed of @krst and @Sinkas, and it’s based on the combined research, fact-checking, and ideation of the two.
We voted AGAINST the proposal.
First, we want to express our appreciation for Karpatkey's time and effort in developing this proposal and for the delegates who interacted with it so far. We want to clarify that, at this time, we’re not voting against this proposal because of its merit but instead because we’re not entirely convinced of the concept of treasury diversification overall.
There are a couple of reasons why we have reservations about any treasury management endeavor:
As mentioned in the very beginning, we are not voting against this particular proposer or the specific plan outlined in this proposal. We are rather not convinced that treasury diversification just for the sake of treasury diversification should be the priority of the DAO right now. We feel that if our token price takes a significant hit, it won’t matter much if we have $100M in stables in treasury - we will have a much bigger issue defending the protocol itself.
We believe it’s essential to first have a DAO-wide conversation about treasury management, its purpose, and the amount of ARB we should allocate towards it. Only then will we be happy to consider the details of individual proposals and strategies.
DAOplomats voted against this proposal on Snapshot.
Treasury management is an important discussion, and we believe the DAO should implement it in some way. However, just as we have done in the past, we would love to see a sort of RFP process baked into these kinds of proposals.
Looking forward to voting in favor of an RFP along these lines in the future.
Voted FOR on Snapshot. I agree that we could consider other proposals or vendors but the group here is professional, and the proposal is well done.
This may be worth doing a bit more discovery given the feedback from the DAO, but this is clearly needed. What format, how much, and who does it is a major question we should resolve.
Below are the reflections of the UADP:
A proposal such as this should have taken place prior to others that pulled significant funds from the treasury, like the gaming catalyst initiative. It doesn’t make much sense to issue such a large quantity of ARB to such a risky program. This proposal, however, is for the sake of “diversifying” the treasury into more stable assets, which is important when it comes to funding various DAO-related initiatives. In order to cover the DAO’s runway, we should be pulling at least some of the funds from a reserve of stable assets, instead of fully issuing ARB tokens. And that leads to another important point—we are issuing ARB tokens here, not really pulling from a massive balance sheet. We might as well discount or write down most of the treasury. With a “diversification” proposal, we actually begin bolstering the balance sheet. It’s already clear that the revenue that the dao makes today has been earmarked for initiatives like bootstrapping BOLD, which means operating revenue isn’t simply enough to cover expenses. We have to therefore rely on issuing native tokens.
Below are the reflections of the UADP:
A proposal such as this should have taken place prior to others that pulled significant funds from the treasury, like the gaming catalyst initiative. It doesn’t make much sense to issue such a large quantity of ARB to such a risky program. This proposal, however, is for the sake of “diversifying” the treasury into more stable assets, which is important when it comes to funding various DAO-related initiatives. In order to cover the DAO’s runway, we should be pulling at least some of the funds from a reserve of stable assets, instead of fully issuing ARB tokens. And that leads to another important point—we are issuing ARB tokens here, not really pulling from a massive balance sheet. We might as well discount or write down most of the treasury. With a “diversification” proposal, we actually begin bolstering the balance sheet. It’s already clear that the revenue that the dao makes today has been earmarked for initiatives like bootstrapping BOLD, which means operating revenue isn’t simply enough to cover expenses. We have to therefore rely on issuing native tokens.
The real issue here has been a lack of proper procedure laid out months ago by the DAO for approving large investment programs. One of the unsatisfactory precedents has been the first-come-first-serve model. For many programs, an entity proposing a large program has self-selected themselves into managing that program. This is the primary reason why we are abstaining from this proposal. There should be an RFP process for all of these large treasury management and investment proposals. It’s a reckless argument to suggest that–everyone’s been self-electing themselves, so we’ll do the same.
Since the directionality of this proposal is well-founded, we aren’t voting against this proposal. The main contention that we hold is the process by which the counterparties in the proposal are self-elected. We hold a great deal of respect for Karpatkey and Gauntlet, and they may very well be the managers selected for this type of proposal. But an RFP matters.
We believe that this proposal is not only necessary but also overdue, so we appreciate its submission. The current state of Arbitrum's price highlights the need for sustainable solutions, and this proposal offers a promising approach. Additionally, it's clear that diversifying assets is essential.
However, like some other delegates, we would prefer to see more competition for the control and use of such a large amount, as this would ultimately benefit the community. While @karpatkey has an excellent track record, we believe having multiple options and allowing different proposals to compete would lead to the most optimal outcome. Even in such a scenario, it’s evident that @karpatkey would remain one of the top candidates. Additionally, although we agree with the need for such a large-scale initiative, the amount proposed is indeed substantial, leading to notably high fees.
We believe that this proposal is not only necessary but also overdue, so we appreciate its submission. The current state of Arbitrum's price highlights the need for sustainable solutions, and this proposal offers a promising approach. Additionally, it's clear that diversifying assets is essential.
However, like some other delegates, we would prefer to see more competition for the control and use of such a large amount, as this would ultimately benefit the community. While @karpatkey has an excellent track record, we believe having multiple options and allowing different proposals to compete would lead to the most optimal outcome. Even in such a scenario, it’s evident that @karpatkey would remain one of the top candidates. Additionally, although we agree with the need for such a large-scale initiative, the amount proposed is indeed substantial, leading to notably high fees.
In summary, while we agree that this proposal touches on crucial aspects for the DAO, we voted "against" at this stage to allow time for refining the solutions and ensuring we select the best option. Nonetheless, we strongly believe that this issue needs to be addressed urgently, without further delay in the process.
I decided to vote “Abstain” on this proposal.
As echoed by previous delegates, we all agree that diversifying the treasury is crucial, and we believe that Karpatkey is an excellent provider with an impeccable track record.
I decided to vote “Abstain” on this proposal.
As echoed by previous delegates, we all agree that diversifying the treasury is crucial, and we believe that Karpatkey is an excellent provider with an impeccable track record.
However, this proposal lacks the necessary details and clear objectives. Given the importance and risk involved, it’s essential to have a proposal that includes the minimum required details for execution.
While I support experimentation, it’s key to have at least a discussion with delegate feedback and a detailed plan before moving forward.
Therefore, I’ll abstain from voting on this proposal.
gm, I have voted against this proposal.
While I have massive respect for the Karpatkey team and they have achieved, I don’t think we should concentrate into 1 organization all those funds.
Instead, we should create smaller RFP - as outlined by others - with clear KPIs and accountability systems.
We're voting AGAINST this proposal. While treasury diversification is crucial, the lack of a competitive selection process and performance-based fee structure raises concerns. A more flexible approach with multiple options for capital allocation and fee structures would better serve the DAO's interests. Future proposals should incorporate community feedback and align incentives more closely with the DAO's goals.
I believe very, very strongly the DAO needing to have some type of Treasury Management going forward. So I'm very much aligned with this proposal. I also trust the team that is proposing this to do a great job and would have my support.
However, I have to agree with others that given the size and importance of something like this, it needs to go through some type of RFP. Which I'd urge to start soon as I think this has already been delayed for too long to begin with.
I have to vote against the proposal.
I love the move to diversify the treasury, and Karpatkey has done a great job for many DAOs that I engage with, however, for things like this, the DAO needs to have a competitive processes so we get the best offers competing against each other, just like what we did for the RWA
I have to vote against the proposal.
I love the move to diversify the treasury, and Karpatkey has done a great job for many DAOs that I engage with, however, for things like this, the DAO needs to have a competitive processes so we get the best offers competing against each other, just like what we did for the RWA
This is just the way to do these things. STEP is a perfect example of a nice competitive system that was created to diversify the treasury before, and Karpatkey has seen that process first hand, so I'm sure that if this doesn't pass they can make a competitive proposal in the future STEP proposal... Coming soon: https://forum.arbitrum.foundation/t/step-ii-steering-committee/26074
We vote FOR the proposal on Snapshot.
As a temp-check, we are in support of the general direction that the DAO should take for the treasury management. We are grateful of the extensive involvement from Karpatkey and Gauntlet. We don't necessarily agree with the requirement that the DAO needs to set up a RFP for multiple service providers to apply for; With the reasonable proposal to kick start the important functions of the DAO, the DAO should practically choose the currently available and best options.
We vote FOR the proposal on Snapshot.
As a temp-check, we are in support of the general direction that the DAO should take for the treasury management. We are grateful of the extensive involvement from Karpatkey and Gauntlet. We don't necessarily agree with the requirement that the DAO needs to set up a RFP for multiple service providers to apply for; With the reasonable proposal to kick start the important functions of the DAO, the DAO should practically choose the currently available and best options.
The proposal includes the Oversight Committee and reporting requirements, which should work for the DAO to diligently monitor what the initiative will have been doing. Giving too much concerns before kickstarting things off would lead to huge opportunity costs.
We would only ask clearer responsibilities that the initiative will take on while having a relatively high management fee (1% vs. 0.5% on the other protocol) before the onchain voting and a possible adjustment to the size of the fund to be managed based on the current market.
The following reflects the views of L2BEAT’s governance team, composed of @krst and @Sinkas, and it’s based on the combined research, fact-checking, and ideation of the two.
We voted AGAINST the proposal.
The following reflects the views of L2BEAT’s governance team, composed of @krst and @Sinkas, and it’s based on the combined research, fact-checking, and ideation of the two.
We voted AGAINST the proposal.
First, we want to express our appreciation for Karpatkey's time and effort in developing this proposal and for the delegates who interacted with it so far. We want to clarify that, at this time, we’re not voting against this proposal because of its merit but instead because we’re not entirely convinced of the concept of treasury diversification overall.
There are a couple of reasons why we have reservations about any treasury management endeavor:
As mentioned in the very beginning, we are not voting against this particular proposer or the specific plan outlined in this proposal. We are rather not convinced that treasury diversification just for the sake of treasury diversification should be the priority of the DAO right now. We feel that if our token price takes a significant hit, it won’t matter much if we have $100M in stables in treasury - we will have a much bigger issue defending the protocol itself.
We believe it’s essential to first have a DAO-wide conversation about treasury management, its purpose, and the amount of ARB we should allocate towards it. Only then will we be happy to consider the details of individual proposals and strategies.
DAOplomats voted against this proposal on Snapshot.
Treasury management is an important discussion, and we believe the DAO should implement it in some way. However, just as we have done in the past, we would love to see a sort of RFP process baked into these kinds of proposals.
Looking forward to voting in favor of an RFP along these lines in the future.
Voted FOR on Snapshot. I agree that we could consider other proposals or vendors but the group here is professional, and the proposal is well done.
This may be worth doing a bit more discovery given the feedback from the DAO, but this is clearly needed. What format, how much, and who does it is a major question we should resolve.
Below are the reflections of the UADP:
A proposal such as this should have taken place prior to others that pulled significant funds from the treasury, like the gaming catalyst initiative. It doesn’t make much sense to issue such a large quantity of ARB to such a risky program. This proposal, however, is for the sake of “diversifying” the treasury into more stable assets, which is important when it comes to funding various DAO-related initiatives. In order to cover the DAO’s runway, we should be pulling at least some of the funds from a reserve of stable assets, instead of fully issuing ARB tokens. And that leads to another important point—we are issuing ARB tokens here, not really pulling from a massive balance sheet. We might as well discount or write down most of the treasury. With a “diversification” proposal, we actually begin bolstering the balance sheet. It’s already clear that the revenue that the dao makes today has been earmarked for initiatives like bootstrapping BOLD, which means operating revenue isn’t simply enough to cover expenses. We have to therefore rely on issuing native tokens.
Below are the reflections of the UADP:
A proposal such as this should have taken place prior to others that pulled significant funds from the treasury, like the gaming catalyst initiative. It doesn’t make much sense to issue such a large quantity of ARB to such a risky program. This proposal, however, is for the sake of “diversifying” the treasury into more stable assets, which is important when it comes to funding various DAO-related initiatives. In order to cover the DAO’s runway, we should be pulling at least some of the funds from a reserve of stable assets, instead of fully issuing ARB tokens. And that leads to another important point—we are issuing ARB tokens here, not really pulling from a massive balance sheet. We might as well discount or write down most of the treasury. With a “diversification” proposal, we actually begin bolstering the balance sheet. It’s already clear that the revenue that the dao makes today has been earmarked for initiatives like bootstrapping BOLD, which means operating revenue isn’t simply enough to cover expenses. We have to therefore rely on issuing native tokens.
The real issue here has been a lack of proper procedure laid out months ago by the DAO for approving large investment programs. One of the unsatisfactory precedents has been the first-come-first-serve model. For many programs, an entity proposing a large program has self-selected themselves into managing that program. This is the primary reason why we are abstaining from this proposal. There should be an RFP process for all of these large treasury management and investment proposals. It’s a reckless argument to suggest that–everyone’s been self-electing themselves, so we’ll do the same.
Since the directionality of this proposal is well-founded, we aren’t voting against this proposal. The main contention that we hold is the process by which the counterparties in the proposal are self-elected. We hold a great deal of respect for Karpatkey and Gauntlet, and they may very well be the managers selected for this type of proposal. But an RFP matters.
We believe that this proposal is not only necessary but also overdue, so we appreciate its submission. The current state of Arbitrum's price highlights the need for sustainable solutions, and this proposal offers a promising approach. Additionally, it's clear that diversifying assets is essential.
However, like some other delegates, we would prefer to see more competition for the control and use of such a large amount, as this would ultimately benefit the community. While @karpatkey has an excellent track record, we believe having multiple options and allowing different proposals to compete would lead to the most optimal outcome. Even in such a scenario, it’s evident that @karpatkey would remain one of the top candidates. Additionally, although we agree with the need for such a large-scale initiative, the amount proposed is indeed substantial, leading to notably high fees.
We believe that this proposal is not only necessary but also overdue, so we appreciate its submission. The current state of Arbitrum's price highlights the need for sustainable solutions, and this proposal offers a promising approach. Additionally, it's clear that diversifying assets is essential.
However, like some other delegates, we would prefer to see more competition for the control and use of such a large amount, as this would ultimately benefit the community. While @karpatkey has an excellent track record, we believe having multiple options and allowing different proposals to compete would lead to the most optimal outcome. Even in such a scenario, it’s evident that @karpatkey would remain one of the top candidates. Additionally, although we agree with the need for such a large-scale initiative, the amount proposed is indeed substantial, leading to notably high fees.
In summary, while we agree that this proposal touches on crucial aspects for the DAO, we voted "against" at this stage to allow time for refining the solutions and ensuring we select the best option. Nonetheless, we strongly believe that this issue needs to be addressed urgently, without further delay in the process.
I decided to vote “Abstain” on this proposal.
As echoed by previous delegates, we all agree that diversifying the treasury is crucial, and we believe that Karpatkey is an excellent provider with an impeccable track record.
I decided to vote “Abstain” on this proposal.
As echoed by previous delegates, we all agree that diversifying the treasury is crucial, and we believe that Karpatkey is an excellent provider with an impeccable track record.
However, this proposal lacks the necessary details and clear objectives. Given the importance and risk involved, it’s essential to have a proposal that includes the minimum required details for execution.
While I support experimentation, it’s key to have at least a discussion with delegate feedback and a detailed plan before moving forward.
Therefore, I’ll abstain from voting on this proposal.
gm, I have voted against this proposal.
While I have massive respect for the Karpatkey team and they have achieved, I don’t think we should concentrate into 1 organization all those funds.
Instead, we should create smaller RFP - as outlined by others - with clear KPIs and accountability systems.
We're voting AGAINST this proposal. While treasury diversification is crucial, the lack of a competitive selection process and performance-based fee structure raises concerns. A more flexible approach with multiple options for capital allocation and fee structures would better serve the DAO's interests. Future proposals should incorporate community feedback and align incentives more closely with the DAO's goals.
I believe very, very strongly the DAO needing to have some type of Treasury Management going forward. So I'm very much aligned with this proposal. I also trust the team that is proposing this to do a great job and would have my support.
However, I have to agree with others that given the size and importance of something like this, it needs to go through some type of RFP. Which I'd urge to start soon as I think this has already been delayed for too long to begin with.
I have to vote against the proposal.
I love the move to diversify the treasury, and Karpatkey has done a great job for many DAOs that I engage with, however, for things like this, the DAO needs to have a competitive processes so we get the best offers competing against each other, just like what we did for the RWA
I have to vote against the proposal.
I love the move to diversify the treasury, and Karpatkey has done a great job for many DAOs that I engage with, however, for things like this, the DAO needs to have a competitive processes so we get the best offers competing against each other, just like what we did for the RWA
This is just the way to do these things. STEP is a perfect example of a nice competitive system that was created to diversify the treasury before, and Karpatkey has seen that process first hand, so I'm sure that if this doesn't pass they can make a competitive proposal in the future STEP proposal... Coming soon: https://forum.arbitrum.foundation/t/step-ii-steering-committee/26074
I believe very, very strongly the DAO needing to have some type of Treasury Management going forward. So I'm very much aligned with this proposal. I also trust the team that is proposing this to do a great job and would have my support.
However, I have to agree with others that given the size and importance of something like this, it needs to go through some type of RFP. Which I'd urge to start soon as I think this has already been delayed for too long to begin with.
Due to the RFP issue, I will be voting "No" however I strongly caveat that with for the broad concept I'm an absolute "For" this being put into place in some capacity going forward.
While we believe that diversifying the DAO’s treasury is a prudent move, we have decided to vote against this proposal for several reasons.
While the proposal has merit, it appears somewhat siloed from existing initiatives. There are already ongoing programs, such as the STEP and RWA Innovation Grants (RWAIG), and it’s unclear how this proposal integrates with or complements those efforts. A more cohesive approach would ensure that all treasury diversification efforts align and work towards common goals.
While we believe that diversifying the DAO’s treasury is a prudent move, we have decided to vote against this proposal for several reasons.
While the proposal has merit, it appears somewhat siloed from existing initiatives. There are already ongoing programs, such as the STEP and RWA Innovation Grants (RWAIG), and it’s unclear how this proposal integrates with or complements those efforts. A more cohesive approach would ensure that all treasury diversification efforts align and work towards common goals.
Secondly, we believe the DAO needs greater oversight and control of the onboarding process for treasury management. We would prefer to see multiple vendors involved in a Request for Quotation (RFQ) process, allowing the DAO to evaluate various options and select the best fit. Additionally, we favor performance-based fees over management fees to align incentives better and ensure that the DAO receives value commensurate with the cost.
Lastly, while we trust and respect Karpatkey, we cannot support this proposal in its current form due to the concerns outlined above. We hope that future efforts will address these issues and present a more integrated and transparent approach to treasury management.
After consideration, the @SEEDgov delegation has decided to vote “AGAINST” on this proposal at the Snapshot vote.
After consideration, the @SEEDgov delegation has decided to vote “AGAINST” on this proposal at the Snapshot vote.
As mentioned in our initial response, at SEEDGov we believe the proposal is well-directed, and we acknowledge Karpatkey's extensive experience in Treasury Management. We agree that the DAO needs to diversify its assets, rebalance the mix of its holdings—by increasing liquidity and reducing non-liquid investments—and we particularly understand the urgency of addressing ARB's liquidity depth issues.
However, there are several concerns that prevent us from supporting the proposal in its current form:
We’re voting for this initiative because it’s an important step in diversifying Arbitrum’s treasury and reducing the risk tied to ARB. While we acknowledge the benefits of a broader competitive process and prefer performance-based fees, we trust Karpatkey’s expertise and believe it’s necessary to move forward now. We support this proposal and look forward to its development, with the potential for future improvements through community input.
I voted FOR this proposal at the temp check stage for the following reasons:
I voted FOR this proposal at the temp check stage for the following reasons:
I'm comfortable moving forward at this stage, but would want to see a greater diversity of vendors and a broader process to approve additional funds in the future.
Voting in fovor! Implementing the Arbitrum Strategic Treasury Management Group is a crucial step towards ensuring the long-term sustainability of the DAO. By allocating 250M ARB to be managed by karpatkey, we can foster ecosystem growth and maintain transparency and accountability through well-structured treasury management practices. This initiative will not only strengthen Arbitrum's financial foundation but also help in attracting builders and users, further solidifying the ecosystem's position in the market.
Diversifying the ARB treasury is needed and a good idea to explore. I agree with most comments outlining the benefits of such a diversification. A proposal of this size and impact should be put to a broader vote to have other vendors compete instead of going directly to a vote for a specific company. Having a competition between different organizations will, in the worst case scenario, enhance this very same proposal we have here, or in the best case bring new ones that have more appealing terms. (for example, fees).
Also, I don't think having management fees instead of performance fees aligns vendor<>DAO incentives. We should propose performance fees instead of management fees. Voted against at this stage
Implementing the Arbitrum Strategic Treasury Management Group is a proactive approach to ensuring the DAO's long-term sustainability and growth. Allocating 250M ARB to a specialized group using advanced non-custodial tools, the proposal enhances transparency, accountability, and effective resource management.
I'm really happy to see this proposal on Snapshot! I think that diversifying Arbitrum's treasury is what is needed now and on the long-term too. Working on a solid strategy to manage the treasury is essential to prevent useful resources to be wasted, this is why I'm voting in favor.
We've had very great experiences with all parties involved here, however, seeing the forum and community response, regardless of how we feel, it's probably best to rerun the vote with a $ amount and vender selection RFP.
Going forward, is it worth fleshing out how any such service provider proposal to the DAO is handled? Should we have a vender selection process for all vote? Any vote over $1m? $10m? It feels like the DAO historically has been more of a "go getter" DAO where teams that take on an initiative usually propose a vote directly for their services and not the RFP process that a lot of DAOs have indoctrinated in. This has allowed for both good and bad outcomes, but going forward, this might be worth hashing out when and where a RFP is expected.
One thing I would like to see is the integration of this proposal with the rest of the DAO’s initiatives. I see the role of treasury manager, not for a specific allocation, but for the DAO, establishing north stars with particular mandates.
I voted against it: I believe treasury management should not be managed by smaller groups/teams but should be a collective mission. I would however support the proposal to manage part of the treasury (like 10%) and see results after some time. If successful we could later agree to increase it.
We will be voting AGAINST this proposal.
While we are actually quite supportive of the proposal and our experience with Karpatkey and Gauntlet across other DAOs has been very positive, we agree with other delegates that such an initiative should go through a more structured process to determine 1) the allocation size and 2) vendor selection.
Diversifying DAO assets is indeed important, but I don't consider it an urgent matter. ARB can effectively serve as the base asset for Arbitrum DAO. Moreover, 250M is an excessively large amount, and the 1% management fee is too high. This could lead to new issues, such as the management team focusing on their own income rather than the DAO's interests. Therefore, I am inclined to oppose this proposal for now.
I believe very, very strongly the DAO needing to have some type of Treasury Management going forward. So I'm very much aligned with this proposal. I also trust the team that is proposing this to do a great job and would have my support.
However, I have to agree with others that given the size and importance of something like this, it needs to go through some type of RFP. Which I'd urge to start soon as I think this has already been delayed for too long to begin with.
Due to the RFP issue, I will be voting "No" however I strongly caveat that with for the broad concept I'm an absolute "For" this being put into place in some capacity going forward.
While we believe that diversifying the DAO’s treasury is a prudent move, we have decided to vote against this proposal for several reasons.
While the proposal has merit, it appears somewhat siloed from existing initiatives. There are already ongoing programs, such as the STEP and RWA Innovation Grants (RWAIG), and it’s unclear how this proposal integrates with or complements those efforts. A more cohesive approach would ensure that all treasury diversification efforts align and work towards common goals.
While we believe that diversifying the DAO’s treasury is a prudent move, we have decided to vote against this proposal for several reasons.
While the proposal has merit, it appears somewhat siloed from existing initiatives. There are already ongoing programs, such as the STEP and RWA Innovation Grants (RWAIG), and it’s unclear how this proposal integrates with or complements those efforts. A more cohesive approach would ensure that all treasury diversification efforts align and work towards common goals.
Secondly, we believe the DAO needs greater oversight and control of the onboarding process for treasury management. We would prefer to see multiple vendors involved in a Request for Quotation (RFQ) process, allowing the DAO to evaluate various options and select the best fit. Additionally, we favor performance-based fees over management fees to align incentives better and ensure that the DAO receives value commensurate with the cost.
Lastly, while we trust and respect Karpatkey, we cannot support this proposal in its current form due to the concerns outlined above. We hope that future efforts will address these issues and present a more integrated and transparent approach to treasury management.
After consideration, the @SEEDgov delegation has decided to vote “AGAINST” on this proposal at the Snapshot vote.
After consideration, the @SEEDgov delegation has decided to vote “AGAINST” on this proposal at the Snapshot vote.
As mentioned in our initial response, at SEEDGov we believe the proposal is well-directed, and we acknowledge Karpatkey's extensive experience in Treasury Management. We agree that the DAO needs to diversify its assets, rebalance the mix of its holdings—by increasing liquidity and reducing non-liquid investments—and we particularly understand the urgency of addressing ARB's liquidity depth issues.
However, there are several concerns that prevent us from supporting the proposal in its current form:
We’re voting for this initiative because it’s an important step in diversifying Arbitrum’s treasury and reducing the risk tied to ARB. While we acknowledge the benefits of a broader competitive process and prefer performance-based fees, we trust Karpatkey’s expertise and believe it’s necessary to move forward now. We support this proposal and look forward to its development, with the potential for future improvements through community input.
I voted FOR this proposal at the temp check stage for the following reasons:
I voted FOR this proposal at the temp check stage for the following reasons:
I'm comfortable moving forward at this stage, but would want to see a greater diversity of vendors and a broader process to approve additional funds in the future.
Voting in fovor! Implementing the Arbitrum Strategic Treasury Management Group is a crucial step towards ensuring the long-term sustainability of the DAO. By allocating 250M ARB to be managed by karpatkey, we can foster ecosystem growth and maintain transparency and accountability through well-structured treasury management practices. This initiative will not only strengthen Arbitrum's financial foundation but also help in attracting builders and users, further solidifying the ecosystem's position in the market.
Diversifying the ARB treasury is needed and a good idea to explore. I agree with most comments outlining the benefits of such a diversification. A proposal of this size and impact should be put to a broader vote to have other vendors compete instead of going directly to a vote for a specific company. Having a competition between different organizations will, in the worst case scenario, enhance this very same proposal we have here, or in the best case bring new ones that have more appealing terms. (for example, fees).
Also, I don't think having management fees instead of performance fees aligns vendor<>DAO incentives. We should propose performance fees instead of management fees. Voted against at this stage
Implementing the Arbitrum Strategic Treasury Management Group is a proactive approach to ensuring the DAO's long-term sustainability and growth. Allocating 250M ARB to a specialized group using advanced non-custodial tools, the proposal enhances transparency, accountability, and effective resource management.
I'm really happy to see this proposal on Snapshot! I think that diversifying Arbitrum's treasury is what is needed now and on the long-term too. Working on a solid strategy to manage the treasury is essential to prevent useful resources to be wasted, this is why I'm voting in favor.
We've had very great experiences with all parties involved here, however, seeing the forum and community response, regardless of how we feel, it's probably best to rerun the vote with a $ amount and vender selection RFP.
Going forward, is it worth fleshing out how any such service provider proposal to the DAO is handled? Should we have a vender selection process for all vote? Any vote over $1m? $10m? It feels like the DAO historically has been more of a "go getter" DAO where teams that take on an initiative usually propose a vote directly for their services and not the RFP process that a lot of DAOs have indoctrinated in. This has allowed for both good and bad outcomes, but going forward, this might be worth hashing out when and where a RFP is expected.
One thing I would like to see is the integration of this proposal with the rest of the DAO’s initiatives. I see the role of treasury manager, not for a specific allocation, but for the DAO, establishing north stars with particular mandates.
I voted against it: I believe treasury management should not be managed by smaller groups/teams but should be a collective mission. I would however support the proposal to manage part of the treasury (like 10%) and see results after some time. If successful we could later agree to increase it.
We will be voting AGAINST this proposal.
While we are actually quite supportive of the proposal and our experience with Karpatkey and Gauntlet across other DAOs has been very positive, we agree with other delegates that such an initiative should go through a more structured process to determine 1) the allocation size and 2) vendor selection.
Diversifying DAO assets is indeed important, but I don't consider it an urgent matter. ARB can effectively serve as the base asset for Arbitrum DAO. Moreover, 250M is an excessively large amount, and the 1% management fee is too high. This could lead to new issues, such as the management team focusing on their own income rather than the DAO's interests. Therefore, I am inclined to oppose this proposal for now.
One thing I would like to see is the integration of this proposal with the rest of the DAO’s initiatives. I see the role of treasury manager, not for a specific allocation, but for the DAO, establishing north stars with particular mandates.
For the reasons outlined in my comment in July, I'm voting AGAINST this proposal. Although I agree with the need to diversify the treasury and believe that @karpatkey is an excellent provider, I want to reiterate that the DAO requires a comprehensive plan that considers all expenses. We should avoid continuing to fund isolated proposals with different objectives and goals.
One thing I would like to see is the integration of this proposal with the rest of the DAO’s initiatives. I see the role of treasury manager, not for a specific allocation, but for the DAO, establishing north stars with particular mandates.
For the reasons outlined in my comment in July, I'm voting AGAINST this proposal. Although I agree with the need to diversify the treasury and believe that @karpatkey is an excellent provider, I want to reiterate that the DAO requires a comprehensive plan that considers all expenses. We should avoid continuing to fund isolated proposals with different objectives and goals.
Thank you for the additional context. Is there a specific example where the asset management is likely similar to what would be done for Arbitrum? Highlighting relevant experience and benchmark to judge against would be helpful to get an idea of what to expect. Obviously you’d need to beat a benchmark by at least 1% to justify the fee here.
More broadly, do you agree this should be withdrawn and resubmitted as part of a competitive process?
Thank you for the additional context. Is there a specific example where the asset management is likely similar to what would be done for Arbitrum? Highlighting relevant experience and benchmark to judge against would be helpful to get an idea of what to expect. Obviously you’d need to beat a benchmark by at least 1% to justify the fee here.
More broadly, do you agree this should be withdrawn and resubmitted as part of a competitive process?
It feels like we skipped several steps with this going straight to a poll. It would never have passed muster for STEP to just have one issuer submit directly to governance for a large allocation and no one specifically assigned to diligence the details or compare to alternatives.
Investment mandate will largely dictate the investment strategy and returns. ENS Endowment is designed as an ultra-conservative vehicle with a long-term horizon (perpetuity), and it is specifically mandated that all investments be deployed entirely on-chain. In terms of the mandate of the Endowment, the allocation is split into 2 primary categories: 1/ ETH-neutral assets, which are meant to remain neutral against ETH, and 2/ stable-neutral assets, which should stay neutral against stablecoins. While conservative stablecoin investments have recently been yielding above the T-Bill rate, conservative ETH investments are not on those levels, which has, in turn, impacted the overall APR. Additionally, since we've been managing the Endowment for nearly two years, there was a significant period where stablecoin yields were much lower than T-Bill rates, which has negatively impacted the historical performance figures. Another very important consideration (constraint) is with regards to how various protocols align ideologically with ENS DAO.
For a more comprehensive view of our performance, I encourage everyone to look at the other DAOs we manage. In many cases, our mandate goes beyond simplistic treasury management. For each DAO we partner with, we develop a financial strategy tailored to its unique needs. For example, with Gnosis DAO, we strategically use funds to enhance on-chain liquidity, design incentives and buyback programs, foster partnerships, execute OTC deals, and more. We aim to bring this to Arbitrum DAO, helping it to thrive. As outlined in our proposal, our mandate is not just about achieving conservative yields but also about driving broader growth and success for the DAO.
Investment mandate will largely dictate the investment strategy and returns. ENS Endowment is designed as an ultra-conservative vehicle with a long-term horizon (perpetuity), and it is specifically mandated that all investments be deployed entirely on-chain. In terms of the mandate of the Endowment, the allocation is split into 2 primary categories: 1/ ETH-neutral assets, which are meant to remain neutral against ETH, and 2/ stable-neutral assets, which should stay neutral against stablecoins. While conservative stablecoin investments have recently been yielding above the T-Bill rate, conservative ETH investments are not on those levels, which has, in turn, impacted the overall APR. Additionally, since we've been managing the Endowment for nearly two years, there was a significant period where stablecoin yields were much lower than T-Bill rates, which has negatively impacted the historical performance figures. Another very important consideration (constraint) is with regards to how various protocols align ideologically with ENS DAO.
For a more comprehensive view of our performance, I encourage everyone to look at the other DAOs we manage. In many cases, our mandate goes beyond simplistic treasury management. For each DAO we partner with, we develop a financial strategy tailored to its unique needs. For example, with Gnosis DAO, we strategically use funds to enhance on-chain liquidity, design incentives and buyback programs, foster partnerships, execute OTC deals, and more. We aim to bring this to Arbitrum DAO, helping it to thrive. As outlined in our proposal, our mandate is not just about achieving conservative yields but also about driving broader growth and success for the DAO.
Another thing we would like to highlight is that there would be a comprehensive mandate and IPS together with the ASTMG, which will clearly delineate objective benchmarks. The DAO Oversight Committee will judge the ASTMG’s performance against the benchmarks, and communicate this with the DAO should there be concerns with regards to underperformance, or misalignment of interests.
I voted "FOR" this proposal on snapshot because it’s a smart way to ensure Arbitrum's long-term sustainability while boosting ecosystem growth. The inclusion of a DAO Oversight Committee ensures accountability and keeps everything aligned with the community's interests.
We’d all agree that the scope of an L1, L2 is more extensive compared to a single dApp, and demands thinking on multiple verticals. Treasury management for Arbitrum requires a more nuanced and complex approach, balancing yield generation, capital preservation, and ecosystem alignments (via POL); thus the proposed 1% management fee
We’d all agree that the scope of an L1, L2 is more extensive compared to a single dApp, and demands thinking on multiple verticals. Treasury management for Arbitrum requires a more nuanced and complex approach, balancing yield generation, capital preservation, and ecosystem alignments (via POL); thus the proposed 1% management fee
I read this explanation and I don't think it's correct. The point is that the issue is not complexity, since you will use the funds of the treasury like any other treasury. And the amount of 1% gives you 2.5 million ARB. And I think this is too much.
the proposed treasury management is not a simple return optimisation, but deployment that balance between risk & return and ecosystem alignment, we came to the conclusion that fixed management fees
Here I also disagree with you. You will have no incentive to increase the profitability of the DAO. I would like you to reduce your salary to 0.5% and add profit to yourself from competent diversification. This is what I would support.
I am writing all this because I really like the idea itself, but it would be a shame if the proposal doesn’t pass because of the management’s inflated salaries.
Can @karpatkey provide some historical performance data, benchmarked against passive investments like tbills and S&P 500 index funds? Assuming the DAO wants to sell 250m ARB, those would be investments that need to be beaten, inclusive of fees.
The ENS endowment appears to have underperformed even tbills, and at considerably more risk
Can @karpatkey provide some historical performance data, benchmarked against passive investments like tbills and S&P 500 index funds? Assuming the DAO wants to sell 250m ARB, those would be investments that need to be beaten, inclusive of fees.
The ENS endowment appears to have underperformed even tbills, and at considerably more risk
More broadly, let’s slow this down and have a diligence process at least on par with STEP. It would be strange to do more diligence on Tbill products, which have mostly lower risks, at least in the underlying, than on a very large onchain asset management program.
We think it makes more sense to do what was done in STEP - first decide how much to invest, then solicit competitive offers that can be compared to each other for lower fees, higher expected yield, and lower risk.
Blockworks Research will be voting FOR this proposal on Snapshot.
Recent market action has shown just how volatile and vulnerable the DAO is to such conditions. We need to begin a diversification strategy so that the DAO isn't left in turmoil in another grey swan event. That said, we would like to remind everyone that there will likely be two initiatives for treasury management with the STEP II committee currently in development.
It has to be clear and needs to get in everyones mind that simply spending ARB token from the treasury doesn't make sense in terms of sustainability. These token shouldn't be sold to fund big fundings in the DAO. Rather should the DAO consider using those in DeFi protocols to take out a loan that is secure (high HF) and borrow stablecoins against those ARB. This way you are keeping the ARB and don't futher accelerate the bad price action which comes mostly from unlocks and the DAO spending on anything and everything. The approach needs to be sustainable and in best case yield from those supplies is paying even a little bit.
Im not sure if the proposal is in its best state at the moment thats why I am voting Abstain.
Voring a strong "for" on this initiative.
I asked a good amount of questions above, that were partially answered in the last few weeks, and I also think more details will materialize going into tally as well, but overall i am satisfied about the info provided.
Voring a strong "for" on this initiative.
I asked a good amount of questions above, that were partially answered in the last few weeks, and I also think more details will materialize going into tally as well, but overall i am satisfied about the info provided.
The thing is, we need this in Arbitrum. The step program has been a good start but is not enough; we need treasury diversification, potentially yield generation strategy, in general diminsh the concentration risk tied to arb as a coin. This is a first step (and not a final one) in this direction.
My "for" is a strong vote of confidence for karpatkey: they have done and have been doing this for other daos, succesfully. In my book it means we can see similar results replicated here like what @limes just posted in the discussion, and this is what i am personally looking for in arbitrum.
I also like the team up with Gauntlet. As stated we have used Aera vaults in questbook, and i think moving forward it will become an important tool of every dao that wants to keep having a decentralized approach to asset management.
Looking forward to see this initiative advance, and also personally looking forward to eventually participate in the committee through the election.
Pleasant surprise to wake up & see this proposal on Snapshot, I have voted "FOR"
I spoke with 3 prospective service providers on an endowment creation and would have personally chosen Karpatkey if it was up to me. The Avant Garde proposal lacked specifics on numbers and other details, mostly taking the position of requiring multiple endowment managers. Wave financial has yet to come up with a proposal and also lack the context into ARB DAO which Karpatkey has due to their painstaking work analysing our treasury and serving on the STEP committee.
this amount is a fraction of the total treasury
Our treasury, although substantial
With regards to composition and compensation of the DAO Oversight Committee, we received some feedback that it would be beneficial to 1. Increase the number of Committee members, and 2. Standardise compensation structure in line with existing DAO programmes.
We’d like to point out a few differences between GCP’s Council and ASTMG’s DAO Oversight Committee. GCP Council sought for representation from a wider array of domain expertise (VC, gaming growth/BD, governance, operations, player engagement, etc.), and thus 5-member made sense. For ASTMG DAO Oversight Committee, as @JoJo pointed out, its task could potentially be more suited for a cohort of 3 persons than 5, given they would require in-depth involvement with ASTMG and the DAO. As such, we are biased for lower number, higher involvement composition (and concomitantly higher compensation per member). A relatively small group of high calibre individuals would enable the Committee to effectively fulfill its functions as 1. An accountability layer for the ASTMG, 2. Liaison between the DAO and the ASTMG. The 3-member committee would ideally comprise of at least 2 members with strong finance / treasury management expertise, and at least 1 member with very strong DAO context; although in an ideal scenario, the members will have both strong domain expertise and relevant DAO contexts.
@coltron, it’s great to see the level of detail put into this and thanks for guiding us through on the ground - we do appreciate the alignment on these topics!
Having digged into the current (challenging) treasury situation, I believe the priorities are set correctly: securing the DAO’s financial stability, discussing ARB liquidity and pricing, and improving the efficiency of our fund distribution. Furthermore, the initial vision for the treasury and the division between liquid and illiquid initiatives makes sense, and we've taken this view as a part of treasury vision in the M&A pilot phase. We'd love to see this developed by someone in the DAO, such as running an analysis to attach budgets to these.
There’s been extensive discussions with regards to size of the programme, with varying opinions ranging from 150M ARB to 500M ARB. @PennBlockchain’s response is in line with karpatkey and Aera’s rationale, and we’d like to further elaborate on our rationale.
For the right size of the programme, two main factors were considered: 1/ what is meaningful enough for the DAO from the perspective of diversification, 2/ what size is reasonable based on Arbitrum’s previous diversification efforts. 250M made sense given both considerations, as the size represented (at the time of proposal): 1/ ~2 years of runway based on historical spending of ArbitrumDAO; in line with prudent financial management practices of startups. 2/ ~7.9% of DAO Treasury, and thus a meaningful enough portion of treasury whilst allowing the DAO to still be significantly invested in the success of $ARB. ArbitrumDAO’s previous diversification efforts were also considered, given they reflect DAO appetite for diversification.
potentially agree on the committee being from 3 to 5, and comp from 5k to 3k. I think this could be if any adjusted for tally.
But before applying these changes, we need to understand what will the role be for this very committee.
potentially agree on the committee being from 3 to 5, and comp from 5k to 3k. I think this could be if any adjusted for tally.
But before applying these changes, we need to understand what will the role be for this very committee.
I agree that we want to be uniform around the board, but we also need to be very mindful about effective duties: we are risking to going in the camp at some point to compare apples to bananas, and just pay and assign the same structure to everybody. For example
Evaluating the performance of the Strategic Treasury Management Group and confirming the accuracy of reporting.
Let's wait for further clarifications from @karpatkey on the specific roles and expectations from this committee.
We are in support of this proposal and are in favor of better treasury management going forward, especially given some of the recent risks the DAO has taken elsewhere. However, one portion of feedback we have is that we would like to see the oversight committee expanded from 3 to 5 people, as an increase will ensure broader range of expertise and more robust checks and balances.
Additionally, we propose aligning the compensation of the Oversight Committee members with the pricing seen in other councils with similar workloads. Specifically, we recommend reducing the monthly payment from 5k ARB to 3k ARB per member. This adjustment would ensure that the compensation is fair and relevant to the workload.
GFX supports a focus on sustainable financing of Arbitrum. That being said, it’s difficult to reconcile the need for such large deployment when it is 1) sourced by diluting existing ARB holders, and 2) governance has already authorized investment in highly speculative, complex, illiquid assets in the form of the gaming catalyst fund.
It’s very hard to support the ongoing, substantial dilution of ARB holders at this scale, and we would be more supportive of finding alternative sources of funding, like repurposing the GCP funds, and scaling down the scope of total investment across all programs.
Thank you for the additional context. Is there a specific example where the asset management is likely similar to what would be done for Arbitrum? Highlighting relevant experience and benchmark to judge against would be helpful to get an idea of what to expect. Obviously you’d need to beat a benchmark by at least 1% to justify the fee here.
More broadly, do you agree this should be withdrawn and resubmitted as part of a competitive process?
Thank you for the additional context. Is there a specific example where the asset management is likely similar to what would be done for Arbitrum? Highlighting relevant experience and benchmark to judge against would be helpful to get an idea of what to expect. Obviously you’d need to beat a benchmark by at least 1% to justify the fee here.
More broadly, do you agree this should be withdrawn and resubmitted as part of a competitive process?
It feels like we skipped several steps with this going straight to a poll. It would never have passed muster for STEP to just have one issuer submit directly to governance for a large allocation and no one specifically assigned to diligence the details or compare to alternatives.
Investment mandate will largely dictate the investment strategy and returns. ENS Endowment is designed as an ultra-conservative vehicle with a long-term horizon (perpetuity), and it is specifically mandated that all investments be deployed entirely on-chain. In terms of the mandate of the Endowment, the allocation is split into 2 primary categories: 1/ ETH-neutral assets, which are meant to remain neutral against ETH, and 2/ stable-neutral assets, which should stay neutral against stablecoins. While conservative stablecoin investments have recently been yielding above the T-Bill rate, conservative ETH investments are not on those levels, which has, in turn, impacted the overall APR. Additionally, since we've been managing the Endowment for nearly two years, there was a significant period where stablecoin yields were much lower than T-Bill rates, which has negatively impacted the historical performance figures. Another very important consideration (constraint) is with regards to how various protocols align ideologically with ENS DAO.
For a more comprehensive view of our performance, I encourage everyone to look at the other DAOs we manage. In many cases, our mandate goes beyond simplistic treasury management. For each DAO we partner with, we develop a financial strategy tailored to its unique needs. For example, with Gnosis DAO, we strategically use funds to enhance on-chain liquidity, design incentives and buyback programs, foster partnerships, execute OTC deals, and more. We aim to bring this to Arbitrum DAO, helping it to thrive. As outlined in our proposal, our mandate is not just about achieving conservative yields but also about driving broader growth and success for the DAO.
Investment mandate will largely dictate the investment strategy and returns. ENS Endowment is designed as an ultra-conservative vehicle with a long-term horizon (perpetuity), and it is specifically mandated that all investments be deployed entirely on-chain. In terms of the mandate of the Endowment, the allocation is split into 2 primary categories: 1/ ETH-neutral assets, which are meant to remain neutral against ETH, and 2/ stable-neutral assets, which should stay neutral against stablecoins. While conservative stablecoin investments have recently been yielding above the T-Bill rate, conservative ETH investments are not on those levels, which has, in turn, impacted the overall APR. Additionally, since we've been managing the Endowment for nearly two years, there was a significant period where stablecoin yields were much lower than T-Bill rates, which has negatively impacted the historical performance figures. Another very important consideration (constraint) is with regards to how various protocols align ideologically with ENS DAO.
For a more comprehensive view of our performance, I encourage everyone to look at the other DAOs we manage. In many cases, our mandate goes beyond simplistic treasury management. For each DAO we partner with, we develop a financial strategy tailored to its unique needs. For example, with Gnosis DAO, we strategically use funds to enhance on-chain liquidity, design incentives and buyback programs, foster partnerships, execute OTC deals, and more. We aim to bring this to Arbitrum DAO, helping it to thrive. As outlined in our proposal, our mandate is not just about achieving conservative yields but also about driving broader growth and success for the DAO.
Another thing we would like to highlight is that there would be a comprehensive mandate and IPS together with the ASTMG, which will clearly delineate objective benchmarks. The DAO Oversight Committee will judge the ASTMG’s performance against the benchmarks, and communicate this with the DAO should there be concerns with regards to underperformance, or misalignment of interests.
I voted "FOR" this proposal on snapshot because it’s a smart way to ensure Arbitrum's long-term sustainability while boosting ecosystem growth. The inclusion of a DAO Oversight Committee ensures accountability and keeps everything aligned with the community's interests.
We’d all agree that the scope of an L1, L2 is more extensive compared to a single dApp, and demands thinking on multiple verticals. Treasury management for Arbitrum requires a more nuanced and complex approach, balancing yield generation, capital preservation, and ecosystem alignments (via POL); thus the proposed 1% management fee
We’d all agree that the scope of an L1, L2 is more extensive compared to a single dApp, and demands thinking on multiple verticals. Treasury management for Arbitrum requires a more nuanced and complex approach, balancing yield generation, capital preservation, and ecosystem alignments (via POL); thus the proposed 1% management fee
I read this explanation and I don't think it's correct. The point is that the issue is not complexity, since you will use the funds of the treasury like any other treasury. And the amount of 1% gives you 2.5 million ARB. And I think this is too much.
the proposed treasury management is not a simple return optimisation, but deployment that balance between risk & return and ecosystem alignment, we came to the conclusion that fixed management fees
Here I also disagree with you. You will have no incentive to increase the profitability of the DAO. I would like you to reduce your salary to 0.5% and add profit to yourself from competent diversification. This is what I would support.
I am writing all this because I really like the idea itself, but it would be a shame if the proposal doesn’t pass because of the management’s inflated salaries.
Can @karpatkey provide some historical performance data, benchmarked against passive investments like tbills and S&P 500 index funds? Assuming the DAO wants to sell 250m ARB, those would be investments that need to be beaten, inclusive of fees.
The ENS endowment appears to have underperformed even tbills, and at considerably more risk
Can @karpatkey provide some historical performance data, benchmarked against passive investments like tbills and S&P 500 index funds? Assuming the DAO wants to sell 250m ARB, those would be investments that need to be beaten, inclusive of fees.
The ENS endowment appears to have underperformed even tbills, and at considerably more risk
More broadly, let’s slow this down and have a diligence process at least on par with STEP. It would be strange to do more diligence on Tbill products, which have mostly lower risks, at least in the underlying, than on a very large onchain asset management program.
We think it makes more sense to do what was done in STEP - first decide how much to invest, then solicit competitive offers that can be compared to each other for lower fees, higher expected yield, and lower risk.
Blockworks Research will be voting FOR this proposal on Snapshot.
Recent market action has shown just how volatile and vulnerable the DAO is to such conditions. We need to begin a diversification strategy so that the DAO isn't left in turmoil in another grey swan event. That said, we would like to remind everyone that there will likely be two initiatives for treasury management with the STEP II committee currently in development.
It has to be clear and needs to get in everyones mind that simply spending ARB token from the treasury doesn't make sense in terms of sustainability. These token shouldn't be sold to fund big fundings in the DAO. Rather should the DAO consider using those in DeFi protocols to take out a loan that is secure (high HF) and borrow stablecoins against those ARB. This way you are keeping the ARB and don't futher accelerate the bad price action which comes mostly from unlocks and the DAO spending on anything and everything. The approach needs to be sustainable and in best case yield from those supplies is paying even a little bit.
Im not sure if the proposal is in its best state at the moment thats why I am voting Abstain.
Voring a strong "for" on this initiative.
I asked a good amount of questions above, that were partially answered in the last few weeks, and I also think more details will materialize going into tally as well, but overall i am satisfied about the info provided.
Voring a strong "for" on this initiative.
I asked a good amount of questions above, that were partially answered in the last few weeks, and I also think more details will materialize going into tally as well, but overall i am satisfied about the info provided.
The thing is, we need this in Arbitrum. The step program has been a good start but is not enough; we need treasury diversification, potentially yield generation strategy, in general diminsh the concentration risk tied to arb as a coin. This is a first step (and not a final one) in this direction.
My "for" is a strong vote of confidence for karpatkey: they have done and have been doing this for other daos, succesfully. In my book it means we can see similar results replicated here like what @limes just posted in the discussion, and this is what i am personally looking for in arbitrum.
I also like the team up with Gauntlet. As stated we have used Aera vaults in questbook, and i think moving forward it will become an important tool of every dao that wants to keep having a decentralized approach to asset management.
Looking forward to see this initiative advance, and also personally looking forward to eventually participate in the committee through the election.
Pleasant surprise to wake up & see this proposal on Snapshot, I have voted "FOR"
I spoke with 3 prospective service providers on an endowment creation and would have personally chosen Karpatkey if it was up to me. The Avant Garde proposal lacked specifics on numbers and other details, mostly taking the position of requiring multiple endowment managers. Wave financial has yet to come up with a proposal and also lack the context into ARB DAO which Karpatkey has due to their painstaking work analysing our treasury and serving on the STEP committee.
this amount is a fraction of the total treasury
Our treasury, although substantial
With regards to composition and compensation of the DAO Oversight Committee, we received some feedback that it would be beneficial to 1. Increase the number of Committee members, and 2. Standardise compensation structure in line with existing DAO programmes.
We’d like to point out a few differences between GCP’s Council and ASTMG’s DAO Oversight Committee. GCP Council sought for representation from a wider array of domain expertise (VC, gaming growth/BD, governance, operations, player engagement, etc.), and thus 5-member made sense. For ASTMG DAO Oversight Committee, as @JoJo pointed out, its task could potentially be more suited for a cohort of 3 persons than 5, given they would require in-depth involvement with ASTMG and the DAO. As such, we are biased for lower number, higher involvement composition (and concomitantly higher compensation per member). A relatively small group of high calibre individuals would enable the Committee to effectively fulfill its functions as 1. An accountability layer for the ASTMG, 2. Liaison between the DAO and the ASTMG. The 3-member committee would ideally comprise of at least 2 members with strong finance / treasury management expertise, and at least 1 member with very strong DAO context; although in an ideal scenario, the members will have both strong domain expertise and relevant DAO contexts.
@coltron, it’s great to see the level of detail put into this and thanks for guiding us through on the ground - we do appreciate the alignment on these topics!
Having digged into the current (challenging) treasury situation, I believe the priorities are set correctly: securing the DAO’s financial stability, discussing ARB liquidity and pricing, and improving the efficiency of our fund distribution. Furthermore, the initial vision for the treasury and the division between liquid and illiquid initiatives makes sense, and we've taken this view as a part of treasury vision in the M&A pilot phase. We'd love to see this developed by someone in the DAO, such as running an analysis to attach budgets to these.
There’s been extensive discussions with regards to size of the programme, with varying opinions ranging from 150M ARB to 500M ARB. @PennBlockchain’s response is in line with karpatkey and Aera’s rationale, and we’d like to further elaborate on our rationale.
For the right size of the programme, two main factors were considered: 1/ what is meaningful enough for the DAO from the perspective of diversification, 2/ what size is reasonable based on Arbitrum’s previous diversification efforts. 250M made sense given both considerations, as the size represented (at the time of proposal): 1/ ~2 years of runway based on historical spending of ArbitrumDAO; in line with prudent financial management practices of startups. 2/ ~7.9% of DAO Treasury, and thus a meaningful enough portion of treasury whilst allowing the DAO to still be significantly invested in the success of $ARB. ArbitrumDAO’s previous diversification efforts were also considered, given they reflect DAO appetite for diversification.
potentially agree on the committee being from 3 to 5, and comp from 5k to 3k. I think this could be if any adjusted for tally.
But before applying these changes, we need to understand what will the role be for this very committee.
potentially agree on the committee being from 3 to 5, and comp from 5k to 3k. I think this could be if any adjusted for tally.
But before applying these changes, we need to understand what will the role be for this very committee.
I agree that we want to be uniform around the board, but we also need to be very mindful about effective duties: we are risking to going in the camp at some point to compare apples to bananas, and just pay and assign the same structure to everybody. For example
Evaluating the performance of the Strategic Treasury Management Group and confirming the accuracy of reporting.
Let's wait for further clarifications from @karpatkey on the specific roles and expectations from this committee.
We are in support of this proposal and are in favor of better treasury management going forward, especially given some of the recent risks the DAO has taken elsewhere. However, one portion of feedback we have is that we would like to see the oversight committee expanded from 3 to 5 people, as an increase will ensure broader range of expertise and more robust checks and balances.
Additionally, we propose aligning the compensation of the Oversight Committee members with the pricing seen in other councils with similar workloads. Specifically, we recommend reducing the monthly payment from 5k ARB to 3k ARB per member. This adjustment would ensure that the compensation is fair and relevant to the workload.
GFX supports a focus on sustainable financing of Arbitrum. That being said, it’s difficult to reconcile the need for such large deployment when it is 1) sourced by diluting existing ARB holders, and 2) governance has already authorized investment in highly speculative, complex, illiquid assets in the form of the gaming catalyst fund.
It’s very hard to support the ongoing, substantial dilution of ARB holders at this scale, and we would be more supportive of finding alternative sources of funding, like repurposing the GCP funds, and scaling down the scope of total investment across all programs.
Pleasant surprise to wake up & see this proposal on Snapshot, I have voted "FOR"
I spoke with 3 prospective service providers on an endowment creation and would have personally chosen Karpatkey if it was up to me. The Avant Garde proposal lacked specifics on numbers and other details, mostly taking the position of requiring multiple endowment managers. Wave financial has yet to come up with a proposal and also lack the context into ARB DAO which Karpatkey has due to their painstaking work analysing our treasury and serving on the STEP committee.
Overall i think ARB DAO is moving in the right direction by shifting gears from grant expenditures to diversification. The DAO now has 3 broad and complementary diversification plus ecosystem growth initiatives;
I like that karpatkey has included token swaps and ecosystem growth through liquidity provisioning in their final version. If any delegate feels that the DAO requires an endowment, they should approve the present proposal.
At the risk of sounding like a broken record, we need to stop making references like this, because it's not true. Virgin ARB is not "in the treasury". Spending any of it is the same as minting ARB. This is a common mistake, we all do it, but we all need to stop.
It's not wrong to mint ARB to finance important needs. But it's an exercise in financial illiteracy to perpetuate the fiction that the Arbitrum treasury has $1.6b in it. In fact, it has almost nothing in it, which is exactly why Karpatkey is bringing forward a proposal to mint ARB to finance building a treasury of assets.
Those tokens in the treasury address should be thought of as a maximum amount governance can mint and should never be considered actual assets. Standard accounting practices would have unissued stock not affecting the balance sheet at all. While ARB is not a stock, in this case the mechanics are similar.
So let's put this to bed once and for all. The ARB in the treasury should never be seen as unspent money, only authorization to print ARB up to the amount held in the treasury.
Anyone who has been voting in favor of any spending program on the basis of "look what a small percentage of our assets this is" needs to understand these assets carry a $0 value under most credible accounting regimes. Hopefully most of us who make this slip up in phrasing are just using it as shorthand, but we need to refrain from it in the future so as not to confuse anyone.
With regards to composition and compensation of the DAO Oversight Committee, we received some feedback that it would be beneficial to 1. Increase the number of Committee members, and 2. Standardise compensation structure in line with existing DAO programmes.
We’d like to point out a few differences between GCP’s Council and ASTMG’s DAO Oversight Committee. GCP Council sought for representation from a wider array of domain expertise (VC, gaming growth/BD, governance, operations, player engagement, etc.), and thus 5-member made sense. For ASTMG DAO Oversight Committee, as @JoJo pointed out, its task could potentially be more suited for a cohort of 3 persons than 5, given they would require in-depth involvement with ASTMG and the DAO. As such, we are biased for lower number, higher involvement composition (and concomitantly higher compensation per member). A relatively small group of high calibre individuals would enable the Committee to effectively fulfill its functions as 1. An accountability layer for the ASTMG, 2. Liaison between the DAO and the ASTMG. The 3-member committee would ideally comprise of at least 2 members with strong finance / treasury management expertise, and at least 1 member with very strong DAO context; although in an ideal scenario, the members will have both strong domain expertise and relevant DAO contexts.
We’d also like to take this opportunity to further expound upon the role of the DAO Oversight Committee on top of what was presented in the proposal.
As the DAO Oversight Committee is an extremely crucial part of ASTMG, we’ll work on iterating and further expounding upon its structure and roles & responsibilities, liaising with delegates such as @BlockworksResearch that have deep expertise in the subject matter.
@coltron, it’s great to see the level of detail put into this and thanks for guiding us through on the ground - we do appreciate the alignment on these topics!
Having digged into the current (challenging) treasury situation, I believe the priorities are set correctly: securing the DAO’s financial stability, discussing ARB liquidity and pricing, and improving the efficiency of our fund distribution. Furthermore, the initial vision for the treasury and the division between liquid and illiquid initiatives makes sense, and we've taken this view as a part of treasury vision in the M&A pilot phase. We'd love to see this developed by someone in the DAO, such as running an analysis to attach budgets to these.
I’m looking forward to seeing the next steps from you and Aera! Always happy to provide feedback if needed.
We are in support of this proposal and are in favor of better treasury management going forward, especially given some of the recent risks the DAO has taken elsewhere. However, one portion of feedback we have is that we would like to see the oversight committee expanded from 3 to 5 people, as an increase will ensure broader range of expertise and more robust checks and balances.
Additionally, we propose aligning the compensation of the Oversight Committee members with the pricing seen in other councils with similar workloads. Specifically, we recommend reducing the monthly payment from 5k ARB to 3k ARB per member. This adjustment would ensure that the compensation is fair and relevant to the workload.
We may need to open a conversation on DAO prioritization after this is pushed to Snapshot or maybe even sooner depending on what the expected timeline for this proposal is.
GFX supports a focus on sustainable financing of Arbitrum. That being said, it’s difficult to reconcile the need for such large deployment when it is 1) sourced by diluting existing ARB holders, and 2) governance has already authorized investment in highly speculative, complex, illiquid assets in the form of the gaming catalyst fund.
It’s very hard to support the ongoing, substantial dilution of ARB holders at this scale, and we would be more supportive of finding alternative sources of funding, like repurposing the GCP funds, and scaling down the scope of total investment across all programs.
For reference, it has been envisioned that the treasury diversification target only 1% dilution per year. And that is for assets that are considerably safer and more liquid.
We feel that GCP has already used up what funds were available to responsibly play asset manager. We would support @karpatkey if the funding was allocated from the GCP instead. Dilution of ARB holders needs to slow down, and there needs to be a cooling off period on large requests not directly related to improving Arbitrum’s core mission: an L2 protocol.
I appreciate the robust discussion regarding the Treasury in this proposal. I want to address some key points we're concerned about that were raised regarding the allocation of 250M ARB and the governance structure.
I appreciate the robust discussion regarding the Treasury in this proposal. I want to address some key points we're concerned about that were raised regarding the allocation of 250M ARB and the governance structure.
The concern that 250M ARB is too large an allocation needs to be contextualized. While it may seem substantial, this amount is a fraction of the total treasury and represents only a few months of VC unlocks, making it relatively negligible compared to the overall treasury size.
A smaller allocation, such as 50M ARB now with subsequent allocations in the future, poses significant risks. The DAO operates in a volatile market environment, and delaying or fragmenting the allocation could result in substantial asset value loss. Just over the past quarter the token has lost nearly 50% in value. A piecemeal approach would require multiple governance cycles, potentially slowing down strategic initiatives and exposing the treasury to increased market risk during each cycle.
Introducing excessive governance layers by breaking down the allocation into smaller tranches can hinder the timely execution of treasury management strategies. The goal is to ensure that the DAO remains agile and responsive to market conditions. A streamlined approach with a significant upfront allocation allows the Strategic Treasury Management Group to deploy assets effectively and adjust strategies without constant interruptions for governance approvals.
The proposal from Avantgarde to manage a secondary allocation of the treasury outside of the scope of this proposal introduces potential coordination problems. Having multiple treasury managers with individual initiatives can lead to principal-agent issues, where each manager is incentivized to act in their own interest, potentially going so far as counter trading or dumping ARB rapidly to secure returns. This behavior can conflict with the DAO’s long-term objectives and harm overall treasury performance.
By consolidating the management under a single, well-coordinated group, we can maintain focus on the DAO’s best interests, ensuring that asset deployment is aligned with strategic goals and risk management policies. This approach minimizes the risks of fragmented strategies and promotes a unified, coherent treasury management plan.
I did some thinking on the proposal, and for me to fully get on board I would like to see 3 changes;
I did some thinking on the proposal, and for me to fully get on board I would like to see 3 changes;
I also wanted to know, would any of the funds from the endowment be used to cover expenses from the DAO? Given the recent imbroglio with the ARDC running short of funds due to ARB price fluctuation, I was wondering whether the endowment would simply accumulate yield and principal, or also use the stable assets to cover costs incurred by the DAO
There were also some questions/feedback with regards to how this proposal (liquid treasury management) would tie in with other proposals and general DAO budgeting discussion.
We are strongly aligned with delegates such as @pedrob and @SEEDGov that there needs to be a concerted and holistic approach towards DAO Budgeting, which would eventually provide guidance for DAO asset allocation and financial planning (expenses). Treasury management in an environment of uncoordinated, excessive spending would be akin to pouring water into a bottomless pit. However, as @Jojo pointed out, there is a potential conflict of interest, given there are multiple verticals that Arbitrum needs to allocate resources to (illiquids such as GCP, Ventures, M&A; grants & incentives; liquid treasury management). We will provide guidance and professional opinion from the perspective of liquid treasury manager on those matters as they are extremely important facets of treasury health, but are of the stance that such decisions should eventually stem from an independent board with minimal / well-disclosed vested interests.
There were some thoughtful questions/feedback with regards to fees that we would like to address.
Fees are dependent on the scope and complexity of the mandate (as this would naturally determine the level of work required). A relatively narrow, well-defined scope and simple deployment would warrant lower fees, while a broader scope and complex mandate would require more resources and thus higher fees. We’d all agree that the scope of an L1, L2 is more extensive compared to a single dApp, and demands thinking on multiple verticals. Treasury management for Arbitrum requires a more nuanced and complex approach, balancing yield generation, capital preservation, and ecosystem alignments (via POL); thus the proposed 1% management fee.
There were some thoughtful questions/feedback with regards to fees that we would like to address.
Fees are dependent on the scope and complexity of the mandate (as this would naturally determine the level of work required). A relatively narrow, well-defined scope and simple deployment would warrant lower fees, while a broader scope and complex mandate would require more resources and thus higher fees. We’d all agree that the scope of an L1, L2 is more extensive compared to a single dApp, and demands thinking on multiple verticals. Treasury management for Arbitrum requires a more nuanced and complex approach, balancing yield generation, capital preservation, and ecosystem alignments (via POL); thus the proposed 1% management fee.
As @404DAO asked about, we did explore the management fee + performance fee structure but given that the proposed treasury management is not a simple return optimisation, but deployment that balance between risk & return and ecosystem alignment, we came to the conclusion that fixed management fees (with no performance fee) better aligns treasury manager with the DAO, and allows the treasury manager to be more risk-aware (vs. simplistic return optimisation).
As @swmartin pointed out, we do believe that as AUM scales, it would be more suitable to explore a fixed fee structure that would allow ArbitrumDAO to cap expenses regarding treasury management.
It's great to see that important and respected ecosystem players like Karpatkey and Gauntlet are working towards the sustainability of Arbitrum's treasury.
Overall this proposal seems to tackle several of the current issues at Arbitrum. We must strive to ensure the DAO's long-term solvency, have discussions about ARB liquidity and pricing, and be more efficient in disbursing funds. It's not only about being responsible but also about the message we send as a DAO to the market, it goes beyond the size of the main treasury or whether we are in a Bear or Bull market (both of which have been mentioned on several occasions as " motivations" for spending or not spending funds).
It's great to see that important and respected ecosystem players like Karpatkey and Gauntlet are working towards the sustainability of Arbitrum's treasury.
Overall this proposal seems to tackle several of the current issues at Arbitrum. We must strive to ensure the DAO's long-term solvency, have discussions about ARB liquidity and pricing, and be more efficient in disbursing funds. It's not only about being responsible but also about the message we send as a DAO to the market, it goes beyond the size of the main treasury or whether we are in a Bear or Bull market (both of which have been mentioned on several occasions as " motivations" for spending or not spending funds).
Having said this, we would like to provide some feedback:
Maintaining runways is even more important in cases of deficit spending, as is the case with ArbitrumDAO. For the year ending February 2024, the DAO had an annual gap of -$61M due to its high annual spend rate on grants and incentives ($97M; also worth noting these numbers do not yet include STIP Bridge and LTIPP) vs. net network revenue of ~$21M. There are a few concomitant problems:
We note that you have mentioned a negative gap of 61M but based on subsequent data the gap would be 76M, is there something we’re not seeing?
Sustainability. Leverage Arbitrum DAO’s treasury to generate sustainable yields via DeFi lending, staking, and liquidity provisioning. To reach sustainability at current spending levels, the DAO needs to eventually deploy $1.5B, targeting 6-8% APY.
This worries us a little, we see it difficult to achieve this goal at current prices if the DAO allocates 58% of the treasury to illiquid assets as shown in the screenshot you attached.
We have noticed that there is little discussion of the financial viability of initiatives or their impact on the overall composition of the treasury, an indication that a global vision of the treasury and the various proposals that emerge is lacking. This underpins the need for "specialized actors" to ensure that a healthy and viable asset mix is maintained.
Assuming that we end up spending $1.4B in illiquid investments, this would leave less than 20% of the current treasury as "availabilities" excluding the $250M requested in this proposal:
It would be interesting to provide the STMG with some authority to act as managers/consultants (especially when discussing proposals involving large investments/erogations). Certain limits could be set on ARB distribution by field of interest to give an example, not only to preserve the desired asset mix in the treasury but also to ensure that each branch of interest for the DAO can reasonably obtain the necessary funding.
Purpose: increase ARB on-chain liquidity; potentially bootstrap liquidity in conjunction with programs like LTIPP and STIP.
We have seen in other DAOs that when providing incentives, protocols are asked as a condition to incentivize pools that contain the governance token. Despite the (realistic) mention that liquidity is usually mercenary, but when it comes to providing liquidity to governance tokens, it generally responds to holders seeking to lower the opportunity cost of holding capital tied to that asset, so this approach perfectly meets two needs: high stickiness of TVL and greater market depth for ARB.
It would be positive if certain task forces such as the STMG were involved in the implementation of such incentive programs.
Fortress balance sheet. Diversify Arbitrum treasury to build sufficient runway and resiliency to market downturns by reducing long-tail asset exposure. As the DAO is currently spending $97M+ per year, it is ideal to maintain a treasury in excess of $200M.
Considering that there is already a program that seeks to diversify the treasury into RWA and that Karpatkey is part of the Screening committee, it would be interesting to see how these two initiatives can generate synergies. We see STEP not only as a diversification strategy but also as a source of yield, so we believe the two initiatives are strongly linked.
With that said, we want to highlight that we strongly support a solution that moves in this direction.
The proposal kickstarts with Strategic Treasury Management of 250M ARB assets under management; this will allow the Group to manage ~2 years of runway
The proposal kickstarts with Strategic Treasury Management of 250M ARB assets under management; this will allow the Group to manage ~2 years of runway
When you say this will allow the group to manage 2 years of runway, does this mean expenditures (such as for APDC or other committee led programs) would come from this kitty? Or is it just a benchmark agains the amount that should be stored in the endowment at any given time?
We've discovered that treasury diversification should go hand in hand with ecosystem growth, as we saw with the STEP program where we also grew the RWA ecosystem in addition to diversifying. Do you have specific ideas for how the endowment can create the vibrant community? How will Protocol Owned Liquidity bolster ecosystem growth? What mechanisms will be taken to ensure that yield is streamed back to the treasury and not just reinvested by the endowment? What are some of the products that will be used in the process of doing treasury diversification?
Overall, I would also like to see expanded duties by the treasury manager such as serving as a clearinghouse for grantees to easily liquidate ARB received in grant; producing research relevant to Arbitrums treasury; and steering committees for proposals to the DAO that grow the ecosystem while diversifying the treasury, such as STEP and token swaps. On that note, would the present program interface at all with STEP and other diversification+ ecosystem growth programs, or would those remain complementary but separate?
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Just wanted to point out the GCP is offering $30k per year to council members, would suggest possibly keeping compensation similar so there is a standard we eventually align on. Is there a reason to keep this amount in ARB and not dollar value like the GCP has?
Great job overall, glad to see this finally out!
ENS DAO has used Karpatkey as a treasury manager for almost two years and I can speak to the consistency of their presence and quality of their deliverables.
In all the time since they were chosen as treasury manager, I don’t believe kpk has ever missed a weekly metagov meeting, making themselves very available and informed. Additionally, kpk is always striving to do more for ENS DAO. They build helpful DAO analytics dashboards and incorporate suggested changes timely, even on things outside the scope of the original engagement.
ENS DAO has used Karpatkey as a treasury manager for almost two years and I can speak to the consistency of their presence and quality of their deliverables.
In all the time since they were chosen as treasury manager, I don’t believe kpk has ever missed a weekly metagov meeting, making themselves very available and informed. Additionally, kpk is always striving to do more for ENS DAO. They build helpful DAO analytics dashboards and incorporate suggested changes timely, even on things outside the scope of the original engagement.
I’m in support of the initiative on the basis of my experience with the quality teams involved.
On the other hand, off-chain holdings cannot allow for non-custodial solution, so it is most likely that we’ll not explore off-chain holdings.
On the other hand, off-chain holdings cannot allow for non-custodial solution, so it is most likely that we’ll not explore off-chain holdings.
Given the poor state of ARB onchain liquidity that was uncovered in yours and Aera's report, how would you approach diversification of the 250 million ARB if all of the conversion is done onchain?
Yes, the targets are 100% on-chain and non-custodial. We do not plan to explore off-chain holdings or multi-chain programme in the initial phase of the execution; multi-chain programme can potentially be explored as long as assets are managed in a non-custodial manner (and can leverage proposed architecture such as SAFE wallet), but would obviously need to offer significantly better value proposition (vs. native Arbitrum deployment). On the other hand, off-chain holdings cannot allow for non-custodial solution, so it is most likely that we’ll not explore off-chain holdings.
Without delving into the details (such as the amount of ARB to deploy or the proposed fees), I really like the direction of this proposal.
One thing I would like to see is the integration of this proposal with the rest of the DAO's initiatives. I see the role of treasury manager, not for a specific allocation, but for the DAO, establishing north stars with particular mandates.
Without delving into the details (such as the amount of ARB to deploy or the proposed fees), I really like the direction of this proposal.
One thing I would like to see is the integration of this proposal with the rest of the DAO's initiatives. I see the role of treasury manager, not for a specific allocation, but for the DAO, establishing north stars with particular mandates.
Sustainability. Leverage Arbitrum DAO’s treasury to generate sustainable yields via DeFi lending, staking, and liquidity provisioning. To reach sustainability at current spending levels, the DAO needs to eventually deploy $1.5B, targeting 6-8% APY
You identify the necessary revenue to sustain the current expenses. Now, let's imagine your proposal is approved, and you start deploying the capital and achieving those revenues. However, the DAO continues to approve high budgets for expenses, making it unsustainable all over again.
What I mean by this is that, in my opinion, the role of the treasury manager should take on a more general and long-term position within the DAO. This includes identifying the DAO's needs and providing a professional opinion on each proposal that involves an expense, specifically regarding its sustainability.
In the past, you had already raised the need to determine the medium and short-term objectives and align them with the principles outlined in the Arbitrum constitution:
“While not explicitly stated, discussions and proposals on the forum suggest that a primary objective of the Arbitrum DAO is to ensure the sustainability, viability, growth, and development of the Arbitrum ecosystem through responsible management and strategic resource allocation, guided by these principles:
Before moving to an execution phase, we should discuss and agree on the key guidelines for treasury management. What Karpatkey has developed is a great starting point.
I believe that discussion is key before proceeding with this significant diversification.
Of course, all things (treasury management, objectives, and diversification) could be all objects of this proposal.
But first, I would like the discussion around what are the DAO's short, mid, and long-term objectives and then a guarantee that the person executing this significant diversification will have a voice and an opinion on the rest of the future expenses so that the delegates can understand how spending proposals impact the treasury and its sustainability.
Thanks for the questions Yoan!
Achieving the outlined outcomes will make Arbitrum more sustainable by ensuring a prudent and diversified approach to treasury management. By implementing a strategy that includes risk-adjusted investments and liquidity management, Arbitrum can create a more stable financial foundation. This approach reduces the dependency on single revenue streams and mitigates risks associated with market volatility. Additionally, a well-managed treasury can support ongoing development, maintenance, and operational costs, ensuring long-term sustainability and resilience against economic downturns.
ASTMG will use resources to seed liquidity natively within Arbitrum. It is prudential to initially deploy assets in a conservative and risk-aware manner, with focus on capital preservation. The concomitant deeper liquidity will help Arbitrum to cement its position as the DeFi chain, attracting activities and presenting itself as a competitive alternative to CeFi venues. After successful iteration of conservative deployment, ASTMG hopes to expand upon more ecosystem-focused liquidity seeding, potentially in conjunction with existing working groups within ArbitrumDAO that focus on ecosystem growth.
ARB has been suffering from underperformance vis-a-vis ETH. Continuous unlocks and spending have dampened sentiments around the token. We believe this proposal could serve 2 main purposes for ARB holders: 1/ actual sustainable treasury management, 2/ messaging DAO’s maturity and commitment towards fiscal responsibility; in conjunction with parallel, adjacent discussions such as DAO Budget and Revenue and OpCo, the DAO will be on better track towards sustainability and alleviate concerns with regards to large experimental spendings, which could boost confidence in ARB.
Thanks to @karpatkey, @Aera, and @gauntlet for bringing this proposal forward. Our team strongly supports it, as we believe that a non-custodial and strategic treasury management program will make the DAO more resilient and sustainable, enabling it to withstand changing market conditions and continue to operate effectively even in a bear market.
Regarding the proposed management fee, we are curious if a hybrid fee structure (lower management fee combined with a performance fee) was considered to better align the parties involved. While we recognize that this approach could have potential drawbacks, was there any discussion about this option instead of the proposed fee?
What I mean by this is that, in my opinion, the role of the treasury manager should take on a more general and long-term position within the DAO. This includes identifying the DAO’s needs and providing a professional opinion on each proposal that involves an expense, specifically regarding its sustainability.
While working through the details and coming up with more thorough questions, what is the case for authorizing such a large amount of ARB prior to program inception? Why 250m vs 50m or 500m?
Was wondering when @karpatkey would come with this proposal in arbitrum. Took some time but is finally here.
The proposal is complex but also, as it is presented, very high level despite being detailed.
Was wondering when @karpatkey would come with this proposal in arbitrum. Took some time but is finally here.
The proposal is complex but also, as it is presented, very high level despite being detailed.
Let's start with the main goal: we need, indeed, treasury diversification, through initiatives like GCP, M&A, Ventures, which will bring us non liquid and potentially crypto uncorrelated asset. We also need to have a diversification for correlated crypto asset to avoid concentration's risks. This, just to state that the goal of the initiative is something that we need.
I have a few question on the first details provided:
Why 250m arbs? I am failing to understand this statement:
First tranche of 250M ARB, will allow the DAO to explore strategic treasury deployment, and cement treasury management framework. For the financial year ending Feb’24, DAO’s expenses were ~$97M ($94M for ecosystem development expenses comprising of STIP + DIS, $3M for grants program expenses, comprising of Plurality Labs Grants Program, Questbook Grants Program, and Rarible Protocol), so this will enable the DAO to ensure 2 years of runway is properly managed.
what is the timeline of this program? the way is framed, this would be a potentially first tranche if the DAO votes for it and after it has more appetite for it. I guess the question is about if you have, in mind, a timeline for a second tranche, knowing that this decision will be market dependent, and knowing that there is a partial involvement from people of the DAO through this oversight committee
for the "Yield Optimization Program": would they all be on-chain strategies?
DAO pol: this is likely one of the most interesting part because it can allow the treasury to be weaponized, the depth of liquidity across our chain to be better and produce yield. Is the plan to mostly deploy liquidity in coin/arb type of pools, or also non arb ones? Assuming LP would be not necessarily in V2 for efficiency reasons, is the plan to manage them through the aera vault? Is there an appetite to utilize liquidity managers/protocols that we have currently in arbitrum? Would also the idea be to take effectively the yield out and convert it in assets that are not arb?
For the DAO pol: how do silo/radiant/aave fit in this? Makes me think for liquidity program in here we might be including also lending. Or maybe this set of list would just have to go in the previous point of the yield optimization program and was a typo
in general, how active will the management be? And, to be clear: to me "active management" here means, mostly, allocation in volatile crypto assets (ie: arb, eth, btc, etc) vs non volatile one (ie: stables). I'm ok with an answer that is both "not too much" or an answer that says "we have capacity and plan to do it but don't want to specifically disclose plans". But I would like to understand specifically what type of management this is.
Finally, would like to share the experience that we had in questbook with Aera vault. They are a very good instrument, which on one side gives you the ability to remove friction of the management of assets through safe (which is PAINFUL), on the other gives you certain security safety like constrains in interaction only with certain contracts and protocols. We definitely need more of these instruments, and I like what Gauntlet created.
We are overall extremely supportive of this proposal. Treasury diversification is integral to Arbitrum’s longevity. If we enter a bear market tomorrow and the treasury is all ARB while the DAO has USD-denominated costs, we could be negatively encumbered and forced to sell ARB at depressed prices. We believe Gauntlet and Karpatkey are highly valuable partners and are happy to see that Aera has agreed to waive all fees.
One thing we would like to note is that we are aware in the ENS DAO, Karpatkey’s fee is 0.50%, so we would like to get a better explanation as to why the fee will be higher for Arbitrum. It seems the scope of the ENS positions that can be put on is more narrow, so we assume this is why the fee is set higher for Arbitrum. Perhaps exploring a flat fixed fee structure would make sense, particularly if the DAO expects to allocate more funds to this initiative in the future. Overall, 1% does seem a bit high, and we believe 0.5% would allow the DAO to move forward with this more rapidly. If this is not possible, we’d like to see more justification around the 1%.
@karpatkey, I was really glad to read this extensive proposal.
Maturing the treasury management and budgeting discussion in the DAO is critical and this proposal seems to address a core part of the puzzle with good timing!
@karpatkey, I was really glad to read this extensive proposal.
Maturing the treasury management and budgeting discussion in the DAO is critical and this proposal seems to address a core part of the puzzle with good timing!
It addresses a number of concerns we had to consider as part of the AVI working group in terms of treasury management and liquidity. it does feel more appropriate for this to be handled more horizontally in the DAO, rather than by too many individual groups doing sub-optimally timed ARB liquidations. Or at least we should be able to agree on a common policy.
I also really like the benchmarking with Web2 companies. It's interesting to consider to what extent we're looking to do the same thing though. While platforms like Arbitrum are far from the financial performance in their core business model compared to the likes of Google and might be more appropriate to look at them as earlier stage ventures. Be it of a very different nature. Initiatives like the GCP might be looked in a way more akin a big strategic move towards PMF with a new business model (e.g. Apple launching the iPhone and AppStore), rather than what Google Ventures does for Google presently.
While I think important to the mental model we need to develop, the above points don't deny the merit of this proposal, but rather acknowledge it.
I want to touch on a couple of the considerations that are very current for AVI, hopefully without going on a tangent too much:
1. how much of the total treasury should be allocated to venture? Indeed in our exploratory analysis we anchored the number of $1B. At time of writing the price of Arb was over $2.00 hence the suggested amount in ARB was 500m, which is significantly lower % wise allocation than the 1.3B ARB outlined in the document here. Furthermore we carry an embedded assumption that over the 5+ year period explored, the average price would go above this rate, thus further minimising the proportion of the treasury going to this category.
For me it is still an open question how much in total should be allocated to venture and this is not only related to available resources, but also to the volume and quality of investment opportunities. Making a fixed mandate to deploy too much, could be as harmful as deploying too little.
Given the ranges we're discussing it's irrelevant to the argument made with this proposal for the allocation of 250m in liquid assets, which on first glance seems well supported regardless.
2. how to setup the first stage of investments on a shorter timeline to support solutions for the RnDAO, EVM Capital, Outlier Ventures, Elixir and some other proposals that have been raised our way, while the longer term treasury strategy matures
If we take the GCP aside as a standalone strategic bet and want to maintain good distribution based on the suggested benchmarks - it seems that the 250m proposed here suggest it's appropriate to start with $50m initially for illiquid investments via Venture and M&A.
I want to stress again that I'm not fully convinced that the analogy holds completely, as DAOs in many ways currently use grants to support activities that would normally go in direct and administrative expenses with Web2 orgs and we are exploring how to optimise that in novel ways, among other things.
Really keen to see what delegates think here and integrate this proposal with the general DAO budgeting and treasury management discussion.
Interesting proposal, great job.
The targets are 100% on-chain correct?
Also, are there any pathways to explore off-chain holdings or multi-chain programs (assuming this is all meant to be native)?
Pleasant surprise to wake up & see this proposal on Snapshot, I have voted "FOR"
I spoke with 3 prospective service providers on an endowment creation and would have personally chosen Karpatkey if it was up to me. The Avant Garde proposal lacked specifics on numbers and other details, mostly taking the position of requiring multiple endowment managers. Wave financial has yet to come up with a proposal and also lack the context into ARB DAO which Karpatkey has due to their painstaking work analysing our treasury and serving on the STEP committee.
Overall i think ARB DAO is moving in the right direction by shifting gears from grant expenditures to diversification. The DAO now has 3 broad and complementary diversification plus ecosystem growth initiatives;
I like that karpatkey has included token swaps and ecosystem growth through liquidity provisioning in their final version. If any delegate feels that the DAO requires an endowment, they should approve the present proposal.
At the risk of sounding like a broken record, we need to stop making references like this, because it's not true. Virgin ARB is not "in the treasury". Spending any of it is the same as minting ARB. This is a common mistake, we all do it, but we all need to stop.
It's not wrong to mint ARB to finance important needs. But it's an exercise in financial illiteracy to perpetuate the fiction that the Arbitrum treasury has $1.6b in it. In fact, it has almost nothing in it, which is exactly why Karpatkey is bringing forward a proposal to mint ARB to finance building a treasury of assets.
Those tokens in the treasury address should be thought of as a maximum amount governance can mint and should never be considered actual assets. Standard accounting practices would have unissued stock not affecting the balance sheet at all. While ARB is not a stock, in this case the mechanics are similar.
So let's put this to bed once and for all. The ARB in the treasury should never be seen as unspent money, only authorization to print ARB up to the amount held in the treasury.
Anyone who has been voting in favor of any spending program on the basis of "look what a small percentage of our assets this is" needs to understand these assets carry a $0 value under most credible accounting regimes. Hopefully most of us who make this slip up in phrasing are just using it as shorthand, but we need to refrain from it in the future so as not to confuse anyone.
With regards to composition and compensation of the DAO Oversight Committee, we received some feedback that it would be beneficial to 1. Increase the number of Committee members, and 2. Standardise compensation structure in line with existing DAO programmes.
We’d like to point out a few differences between GCP’s Council and ASTMG’s DAO Oversight Committee. GCP Council sought for representation from a wider array of domain expertise (VC, gaming growth/BD, governance, operations, player engagement, etc.), and thus 5-member made sense. For ASTMG DAO Oversight Committee, as @JoJo pointed out, its task could potentially be more suited for a cohort of 3 persons than 5, given they would require in-depth involvement with ASTMG and the DAO. As such, we are biased for lower number, higher involvement composition (and concomitantly higher compensation per member). A relatively small group of high calibre individuals would enable the Committee to effectively fulfill its functions as 1. An accountability layer for the ASTMG, 2. Liaison between the DAO and the ASTMG. The 3-member committee would ideally comprise of at least 2 members with strong finance / treasury management expertise, and at least 1 member with very strong DAO context; although in an ideal scenario, the members will have both strong domain expertise and relevant DAO contexts.
We’d also like to take this opportunity to further expound upon the role of the DAO Oversight Committee on top of what was presented in the proposal.
As the DAO Oversight Committee is an extremely crucial part of ASTMG, we’ll work on iterating and further expounding upon its structure and roles & responsibilities, liaising with delegates such as @BlockworksResearch that have deep expertise in the subject matter.
@coltron, it’s great to see the level of detail put into this and thanks for guiding us through on the ground - we do appreciate the alignment on these topics!
Having digged into the current (challenging) treasury situation, I believe the priorities are set correctly: securing the DAO’s financial stability, discussing ARB liquidity and pricing, and improving the efficiency of our fund distribution. Furthermore, the initial vision for the treasury and the division between liquid and illiquid initiatives makes sense, and we've taken this view as a part of treasury vision in the M&A pilot phase. We'd love to see this developed by someone in the DAO, such as running an analysis to attach budgets to these.
I’m looking forward to seeing the next steps from you and Aera! Always happy to provide feedback if needed.
We are in support of this proposal and are in favor of better treasury management going forward, especially given some of the recent risks the DAO has taken elsewhere. However, one portion of feedback we have is that we would like to see the oversight committee expanded from 3 to 5 people, as an increase will ensure broader range of expertise and more robust checks and balances.
Additionally, we propose aligning the compensation of the Oversight Committee members with the pricing seen in other councils with similar workloads. Specifically, we recommend reducing the monthly payment from 5k ARB to 3k ARB per member. This adjustment would ensure that the compensation is fair and relevant to the workload.
We may need to open a conversation on DAO prioritization after this is pushed to Snapshot or maybe even sooner depending on what the expected timeline for this proposal is.
GFX supports a focus on sustainable financing of Arbitrum. That being said, it’s difficult to reconcile the need for such large deployment when it is 1) sourced by diluting existing ARB holders, and 2) governance has already authorized investment in highly speculative, complex, illiquid assets in the form of the gaming catalyst fund.
It’s very hard to support the ongoing, substantial dilution of ARB holders at this scale, and we would be more supportive of finding alternative sources of funding, like repurposing the GCP funds, and scaling down the scope of total investment across all programs.
For reference, it has been envisioned that the treasury diversification target only 1% dilution per year. And that is for assets that are considerably safer and more liquid.
We feel that GCP has already used up what funds were available to responsibly play asset manager. We would support @karpatkey if the funding was allocated from the GCP instead. Dilution of ARB holders needs to slow down, and there needs to be a cooling off period on large requests not directly related to improving Arbitrum’s core mission: an L2 protocol.
I appreciate the robust discussion regarding the Treasury in this proposal. I want to address some key points we're concerned about that were raised regarding the allocation of 250M ARB and the governance structure.
I appreciate the robust discussion regarding the Treasury in this proposal. I want to address some key points we're concerned about that were raised regarding the allocation of 250M ARB and the governance structure.
The concern that 250M ARB is too large an allocation needs to be contextualized. While it may seem substantial, this amount is a fraction of the total treasury and represents only a few months of VC unlocks, making it relatively negligible compared to the overall treasury size.
A smaller allocation, such as 50M ARB now with subsequent allocations in the future, poses significant risks. The DAO operates in a volatile market environment, and delaying or fragmenting the allocation could result in substantial asset value loss. Just over the past quarter the token has lost nearly 50% in value. A piecemeal approach would require multiple governance cycles, potentially slowing down strategic initiatives and exposing the treasury to increased market risk during each cycle.
Introducing excessive governance layers by breaking down the allocation into smaller tranches can hinder the timely execution of treasury management strategies. The goal is to ensure that the DAO remains agile and responsive to market conditions. A streamlined approach with a significant upfront allocation allows the Strategic Treasury Management Group to deploy assets effectively and adjust strategies without constant interruptions for governance approvals.
The proposal from Avantgarde to manage a secondary allocation of the treasury outside of the scope of this proposal introduces potential coordination problems. Having multiple treasury managers with individual initiatives can lead to principal-agent issues, where each manager is incentivized to act in their own interest, potentially going so far as counter trading or dumping ARB rapidly to secure returns. This behavior can conflict with the DAO’s long-term objectives and harm overall treasury performance.
By consolidating the management under a single, well-coordinated group, we can maintain focus on the DAO’s best interests, ensuring that asset deployment is aligned with strategic goals and risk management policies. This approach minimizes the risks of fragmented strategies and promotes a unified, coherent treasury management plan.
I did some thinking on the proposal, and for me to fully get on board I would like to see 3 changes;
I did some thinking on the proposal, and for me to fully get on board I would like to see 3 changes;
I also wanted to know, would any of the funds from the endowment be used to cover expenses from the DAO? Given the recent imbroglio with the ARDC running short of funds due to ARB price fluctuation, I was wondering whether the endowment would simply accumulate yield and principal, or also use the stable assets to cover costs incurred by the DAO
There were also some questions/feedback with regards to how this proposal (liquid treasury management) would tie in with other proposals and general DAO budgeting discussion.
We are strongly aligned with delegates such as @pedrob and @SEEDGov that there needs to be a concerted and holistic approach towards DAO Budgeting, which would eventually provide guidance for DAO asset allocation and financial planning (expenses). Treasury management in an environment of uncoordinated, excessive spending would be akin to pouring water into a bottomless pit. However, as @Jojo pointed out, there is a potential conflict of interest, given there are multiple verticals that Arbitrum needs to allocate resources to (illiquids such as GCP, Ventures, M&A; grants & incentives; liquid treasury management). We will provide guidance and professional opinion from the perspective of liquid treasury manager on those matters as they are extremely important facets of treasury health, but are of the stance that such decisions should eventually stem from an independent board with minimal / well-disclosed vested interests.
There were some thoughtful questions/feedback with regards to fees that we would like to address.
Fees are dependent on the scope and complexity of the mandate (as this would naturally determine the level of work required). A relatively narrow, well-defined scope and simple deployment would warrant lower fees, while a broader scope and complex mandate would require more resources and thus higher fees. We’d all agree that the scope of an L1, L2 is more extensive compared to a single dApp, and demands thinking on multiple verticals. Treasury management for Arbitrum requires a more nuanced and complex approach, balancing yield generation, capital preservation, and ecosystem alignments (via POL); thus the proposed 1% management fee.
There were some thoughtful questions/feedback with regards to fees that we would like to address.
Fees are dependent on the scope and complexity of the mandate (as this would naturally determine the level of work required). A relatively narrow, well-defined scope and simple deployment would warrant lower fees, while a broader scope and complex mandate would require more resources and thus higher fees. We’d all agree that the scope of an L1, L2 is more extensive compared to a single dApp, and demands thinking on multiple verticals. Treasury management for Arbitrum requires a more nuanced and complex approach, balancing yield generation, capital preservation, and ecosystem alignments (via POL); thus the proposed 1% management fee.
As @404DAO asked about, we did explore the management fee + performance fee structure but given that the proposed treasury management is not a simple return optimisation, but deployment that balance between risk & return and ecosystem alignment, we came to the conclusion that fixed management fees (with no performance fee) better aligns treasury manager with the DAO, and allows the treasury manager to be more risk-aware (vs. simplistic return optimisation).
As @swmartin pointed out, we do believe that as AUM scales, it would be more suitable to explore a fixed fee structure that would allow ArbitrumDAO to cap expenses regarding treasury management.
It's great to see that important and respected ecosystem players like Karpatkey and Gauntlet are working towards the sustainability of Arbitrum's treasury.
Overall this proposal seems to tackle several of the current issues at Arbitrum. We must strive to ensure the DAO's long-term solvency, have discussions about ARB liquidity and pricing, and be more efficient in disbursing funds. It's not only about being responsible but also about the message we send as a DAO to the market, it goes beyond the size of the main treasury or whether we are in a Bear or Bull market (both of which have been mentioned on several occasions as " motivations" for spending or not spending funds).
It's great to see that important and respected ecosystem players like Karpatkey and Gauntlet are working towards the sustainability of Arbitrum's treasury.
Overall this proposal seems to tackle several of the current issues at Arbitrum. We must strive to ensure the DAO's long-term solvency, have discussions about ARB liquidity and pricing, and be more efficient in disbursing funds. It's not only about being responsible but also about the message we send as a DAO to the market, it goes beyond the size of the main treasury or whether we are in a Bear or Bull market (both of which have been mentioned on several occasions as " motivations" for spending or not spending funds).
Having said this, we would like to provide some feedback:
Maintaining runways is even more important in cases of deficit spending, as is the case with ArbitrumDAO. For the year ending February 2024, the DAO had an annual gap of -$61M due to its high annual spend rate on grants and incentives ($97M; also worth noting these numbers do not yet include STIP Bridge and LTIPP) vs. net network revenue of ~$21M. There are a few concomitant problems:
We note that you have mentioned a negative gap of 61M but based on subsequent data the gap would be 76M, is there something we’re not seeing?
Sustainability. Leverage Arbitrum DAO’s treasury to generate sustainable yields via DeFi lending, staking, and liquidity provisioning. To reach sustainability at current spending levels, the DAO needs to eventually deploy $1.5B, targeting 6-8% APY.
This worries us a little, we see it difficult to achieve this goal at current prices if the DAO allocates 58% of the treasury to illiquid assets as shown in the screenshot you attached.
We have noticed that there is little discussion of the financial viability of initiatives or their impact on the overall composition of the treasury, an indication that a global vision of the treasury and the various proposals that emerge is lacking. This underpins the need for "specialized actors" to ensure that a healthy and viable asset mix is maintained.
Assuming that we end up spending $1.4B in illiquid investments, this would leave less than 20% of the current treasury as "availabilities" excluding the $250M requested in this proposal:
It would be interesting to provide the STMG with some authority to act as managers/consultants (especially when discussing proposals involving large investments/erogations). Certain limits could be set on ARB distribution by field of interest to give an example, not only to preserve the desired asset mix in the treasury but also to ensure that each branch of interest for the DAO can reasonably obtain the necessary funding.
Purpose: increase ARB on-chain liquidity; potentially bootstrap liquidity in conjunction with programs like LTIPP and STIP.
We have seen in other DAOs that when providing incentives, protocols are asked as a condition to incentivize pools that contain the governance token. Despite the (realistic) mention that liquidity is usually mercenary, but when it comes to providing liquidity to governance tokens, it generally responds to holders seeking to lower the opportunity cost of holding capital tied to that asset, so this approach perfectly meets two needs: high stickiness of TVL and greater market depth for ARB.
It would be positive if certain task forces such as the STMG were involved in the implementation of such incentive programs.
Fortress balance sheet. Diversify Arbitrum treasury to build sufficient runway and resiliency to market downturns by reducing long-tail asset exposure. As the DAO is currently spending $97M+ per year, it is ideal to maintain a treasury in excess of $200M.
Considering that there is already a program that seeks to diversify the treasury into RWA and that Karpatkey is part of the Screening committee, it would be interesting to see how these two initiatives can generate synergies. We see STEP not only as a diversification strategy but also as a source of yield, so we believe the two initiatives are strongly linked.
With that said, we want to highlight that we strongly support a solution that moves in this direction.
The proposal kickstarts with Strategic Treasury Management of 250M ARB assets under management; this will allow the Group to manage ~2 years of runway
The proposal kickstarts with Strategic Treasury Management of 250M ARB assets under management; this will allow the Group to manage ~2 years of runway
When you say this will allow the group to manage 2 years of runway, does this mean expenditures (such as for APDC or other committee led programs) would come from this kitty? Or is it just a benchmark agains the amount that should be stored in the endowment at any given time?
We've discovered that treasury diversification should go hand in hand with ecosystem growth, as we saw with the STEP program where we also grew the RWA ecosystem in addition to diversifying. Do you have specific ideas for how the endowment can create the vibrant community? How will Protocol Owned Liquidity bolster ecosystem growth? What mechanisms will be taken to ensure that yield is streamed back to the treasury and not just reinvested by the endowment? What are some of the products that will be used in the process of doing treasury diversification?
Overall, I would also like to see expanded duties by the treasury manager such as serving as a clearinghouse for grantees to easily liquidate ARB received in grant; producing research relevant to Arbitrums treasury; and steering committees for proposals to the DAO that grow the ecosystem while diversifying the treasury, such as STEP and token swaps. On that note, would the present program interface at all with STEP and other diversification+ ecosystem growth programs, or would those remain complementary but separate?
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Just wanted to point out the GCP is offering $30k per year to council members, would suggest possibly keeping compensation similar so there is a standard we eventually align on. Is there a reason to keep this amount in ARB and not dollar value like the GCP has?
Great job overall, glad to see this finally out!
ENS DAO has used Karpatkey as a treasury manager for almost two years and I can speak to the consistency of their presence and quality of their deliverables.
In all the time since they were chosen as treasury manager, I don’t believe kpk has ever missed a weekly metagov meeting, making themselves very available and informed. Additionally, kpk is always striving to do more for ENS DAO. They build helpful DAO analytics dashboards and incorporate suggested changes timely, even on things outside the scope of the original engagement.
ENS DAO has used Karpatkey as a treasury manager for almost two years and I can speak to the consistency of their presence and quality of their deliverables.
In all the time since they were chosen as treasury manager, I don’t believe kpk has ever missed a weekly metagov meeting, making themselves very available and informed. Additionally, kpk is always striving to do more for ENS DAO. They build helpful DAO analytics dashboards and incorporate suggested changes timely, even on things outside the scope of the original engagement.
I’m in support of the initiative on the basis of my experience with the quality teams involved.
On the other hand, off-chain holdings cannot allow for non-custodial solution, so it is most likely that we’ll not explore off-chain holdings.
On the other hand, off-chain holdings cannot allow for non-custodial solution, so it is most likely that we’ll not explore off-chain holdings.
Given the poor state of ARB onchain liquidity that was uncovered in yours and Aera's report, how would you approach diversification of the 250 million ARB if all of the conversion is done onchain?
Yes, the targets are 100% on-chain and non-custodial. We do not plan to explore off-chain holdings or multi-chain programme in the initial phase of the execution; multi-chain programme can potentially be explored as long as assets are managed in a non-custodial manner (and can leverage proposed architecture such as SAFE wallet), but would obviously need to offer significantly better value proposition (vs. native Arbitrum deployment). On the other hand, off-chain holdings cannot allow for non-custodial solution, so it is most likely that we’ll not explore off-chain holdings.
Without delving into the details (such as the amount of ARB to deploy or the proposed fees), I really like the direction of this proposal.
One thing I would like to see is the integration of this proposal with the rest of the DAO's initiatives. I see the role of treasury manager, not for a specific allocation, but for the DAO, establishing north stars with particular mandates.
Without delving into the details (such as the amount of ARB to deploy or the proposed fees), I really like the direction of this proposal.
One thing I would like to see is the integration of this proposal with the rest of the DAO's initiatives. I see the role of treasury manager, not for a specific allocation, but for the DAO, establishing north stars with particular mandates.
Sustainability. Leverage Arbitrum DAO’s treasury to generate sustainable yields via DeFi lending, staking, and liquidity provisioning. To reach sustainability at current spending levels, the DAO needs to eventually deploy $1.5B, targeting 6-8% APY
You identify the necessary revenue to sustain the current expenses. Now, let's imagine your proposal is approved, and you start deploying the capital and achieving those revenues. However, the DAO continues to approve high budgets for expenses, making it unsustainable all over again.
What I mean by this is that, in my opinion, the role of the treasury manager should take on a more general and long-term position within the DAO. This includes identifying the DAO's needs and providing a professional opinion on each proposal that involves an expense, specifically regarding its sustainability.
In the past, you had already raised the need to determine the medium and short-term objectives and align them with the principles outlined in the Arbitrum constitution:
“While not explicitly stated, discussions and proposals on the forum suggest that a primary objective of the Arbitrum DAO is to ensure the sustainability, viability, growth, and development of the Arbitrum ecosystem through responsible management and strategic resource allocation, guided by these principles:
Before moving to an execution phase, we should discuss and agree on the key guidelines for treasury management. What Karpatkey has developed is a great starting point.
I believe that discussion is key before proceeding with this significant diversification.
Of course, all things (treasury management, objectives, and diversification) could be all objects of this proposal.
But first, I would like the discussion around what are the DAO's short, mid, and long-term objectives and then a guarantee that the person executing this significant diversification will have a voice and an opinion on the rest of the future expenses so that the delegates can understand how spending proposals impact the treasury and its sustainability.
Thanks for the questions Yoan!
Achieving the outlined outcomes will make Arbitrum more sustainable by ensuring a prudent and diversified approach to treasury management. By implementing a strategy that includes risk-adjusted investments and liquidity management, Arbitrum can create a more stable financial foundation. This approach reduces the dependency on single revenue streams and mitigates risks associated with market volatility. Additionally, a well-managed treasury can support ongoing development, maintenance, and operational costs, ensuring long-term sustainability and resilience against economic downturns.
ASTMG will use resources to seed liquidity natively within Arbitrum. It is prudential to initially deploy assets in a conservative and risk-aware manner, with focus on capital preservation. The concomitant deeper liquidity will help Arbitrum to cement its position as the DeFi chain, attracting activities and presenting itself as a competitive alternative to CeFi venues. After successful iteration of conservative deployment, ASTMG hopes to expand upon more ecosystem-focused liquidity seeding, potentially in conjunction with existing working groups within ArbitrumDAO that focus on ecosystem growth.
ARB has been suffering from underperformance vis-a-vis ETH. Continuous unlocks and spending have dampened sentiments around the token. We believe this proposal could serve 2 main purposes for ARB holders: 1/ actual sustainable treasury management, 2/ messaging DAO’s maturity and commitment towards fiscal responsibility; in conjunction with parallel, adjacent discussions such as DAO Budget and Revenue and OpCo, the DAO will be on better track towards sustainability and alleviate concerns with regards to large experimental spendings, which could boost confidence in ARB.
Thanks to @karpatkey, @Aera, and @gauntlet for bringing this proposal forward. Our team strongly supports it, as we believe that a non-custodial and strategic treasury management program will make the DAO more resilient and sustainable, enabling it to withstand changing market conditions and continue to operate effectively even in a bear market.
Regarding the proposed management fee, we are curious if a hybrid fee structure (lower management fee combined with a performance fee) was considered to better align the parties involved. While we recognize that this approach could have potential drawbacks, was there any discussion about this option instead of the proposed fee?
What I mean by this is that, in my opinion, the role of the treasury manager should take on a more general and long-term position within the DAO. This includes identifying the DAO’s needs and providing a professional opinion on each proposal that involves an expense, specifically regarding its sustainability.
While working through the details and coming up with more thorough questions, what is the case for authorizing such a large amount of ARB prior to program inception? Why 250m vs 50m or 500m?
Was wondering when @karpatkey would come with this proposal in arbitrum. Took some time but is finally here.
The proposal is complex but also, as it is presented, very high level despite being detailed.
Was wondering when @karpatkey would come with this proposal in arbitrum. Took some time but is finally here.
The proposal is complex but also, as it is presented, very high level despite being detailed.
Let's start with the main goal: we need, indeed, treasury diversification, through initiatives like GCP, M&A, Ventures, which will bring us non liquid and potentially crypto uncorrelated asset. We also need to have a diversification for correlated crypto asset to avoid concentration's risks. This, just to state that the goal of the initiative is something that we need.
I have a few question on the first details provided:
Why 250m arbs? I am failing to understand this statement:
First tranche of 250M ARB, will allow the DAO to explore strategic treasury deployment, and cement treasury management framework. For the financial year ending Feb’24, DAO’s expenses were ~$97M ($94M for ecosystem development expenses comprising of STIP + DIS, $3M for grants program expenses, comprising of Plurality Labs Grants Program, Questbook Grants Program, and Rarible Protocol), so this will enable the DAO to ensure 2 years of runway is properly managed.
what is the timeline of this program? the way is framed, this would be a potentially first tranche if the DAO votes for it and after it has more appetite for it. I guess the question is about if you have, in mind, a timeline for a second tranche, knowing that this decision will be market dependent, and knowing that there is a partial involvement from people of the DAO through this oversight committee
for the "Yield Optimization Program": would they all be on-chain strategies?
DAO pol: this is likely one of the most interesting part because it can allow the treasury to be weaponized, the depth of liquidity across our chain to be better and produce yield. Is the plan to mostly deploy liquidity in coin/arb type of pools, or also non arb ones? Assuming LP would be not necessarily in V2 for efficiency reasons, is the plan to manage them through the aera vault? Is there an appetite to utilize liquidity managers/protocols that we have currently in arbitrum? Would also the idea be to take effectively the yield out and convert it in assets that are not arb?
For the DAO pol: how do silo/radiant/aave fit in this? Makes me think for liquidity program in here we might be including also lending. Or maybe this set of list would just have to go in the previous point of the yield optimization program and was a typo
in general, how active will the management be? And, to be clear: to me "active management" here means, mostly, allocation in volatile crypto assets (ie: arb, eth, btc, etc) vs non volatile one (ie: stables). I'm ok with an answer that is both "not too much" or an answer that says "we have capacity and plan to do it but don't want to specifically disclose plans". But I would like to understand specifically what type of management this is.
Finally, would like to share the experience that we had in questbook with Aera vault. They are a very good instrument, which on one side gives you the ability to remove friction of the management of assets through safe (which is PAINFUL), on the other gives you certain security safety like constrains in interaction only with certain contracts and protocols. We definitely need more of these instruments, and I like what Gauntlet created.
We are overall extremely supportive of this proposal. Treasury diversification is integral to Arbitrum’s longevity. If we enter a bear market tomorrow and the treasury is all ARB while the DAO has USD-denominated costs, we could be negatively encumbered and forced to sell ARB at depressed prices. We believe Gauntlet and Karpatkey are highly valuable partners and are happy to see that Aera has agreed to waive all fees.
One thing we would like to note is that we are aware in the ENS DAO, Karpatkey’s fee is 0.50%, so we would like to get a better explanation as to why the fee will be higher for Arbitrum. It seems the scope of the ENS positions that can be put on is more narrow, so we assume this is why the fee is set higher for Arbitrum. Perhaps exploring a flat fixed fee structure would make sense, particularly if the DAO expects to allocate more funds to this initiative in the future. Overall, 1% does seem a bit high, and we believe 0.5% would allow the DAO to move forward with this more rapidly. If this is not possible, we’d like to see more justification around the 1%.
@karpatkey, I was really glad to read this extensive proposal.
Maturing the treasury management and budgeting discussion in the DAO is critical and this proposal seems to address a core part of the puzzle with good timing!
@karpatkey, I was really glad to read this extensive proposal.
Maturing the treasury management and budgeting discussion in the DAO is critical and this proposal seems to address a core part of the puzzle with good timing!
It addresses a number of concerns we had to consider as part of the AVI working group in terms of treasury management and liquidity. it does feel more appropriate for this to be handled more horizontally in the DAO, rather than by too many individual groups doing sub-optimally timed ARB liquidations. Or at least we should be able to agree on a common policy.
I also really like the benchmarking with Web2 companies. It's interesting to consider to what extent we're looking to do the same thing though. While platforms like Arbitrum are far from the financial performance in their core business model compared to the likes of Google and might be more appropriate to look at them as earlier stage ventures. Be it of a very different nature. Initiatives like the GCP might be looked in a way more akin a big strategic move towards PMF with a new business model (e.g. Apple launching the iPhone and AppStore), rather than what Google Ventures does for Google presently.
While I think important to the mental model we need to develop, the above points don't deny the merit of this proposal, but rather acknowledge it.
I want to touch on a couple of the considerations that are very current for AVI, hopefully without going on a tangent too much:
1. how much of the total treasury should be allocated to venture? Indeed in our exploratory analysis we anchored the number of $1B. At time of writing the price of Arb was over $2.00 hence the suggested amount in ARB was 500m, which is significantly lower % wise allocation than the 1.3B ARB outlined in the document here. Furthermore we carry an embedded assumption that over the 5+ year period explored, the average price would go above this rate, thus further minimising the proportion of the treasury going to this category.
For me it is still an open question how much in total should be allocated to venture and this is not only related to available resources, but also to the volume and quality of investment opportunities. Making a fixed mandate to deploy too much, could be as harmful as deploying too little.
Given the ranges we're discussing it's irrelevant to the argument made with this proposal for the allocation of 250m in liquid assets, which on first glance seems well supported regardless.
2. how to setup the first stage of investments on a shorter timeline to support solutions for the RnDAO, EVM Capital, Outlier Ventures, Elixir and some other proposals that have been raised our way, while the longer term treasury strategy matures
If we take the GCP aside as a standalone strategic bet and want to maintain good distribution based on the suggested benchmarks - it seems that the 250m proposed here suggest it's appropriate to start with $50m initially for illiquid investments via Venture and M&A.
I want to stress again that I'm not fully convinced that the analogy holds completely, as DAOs in many ways currently use grants to support activities that would normally go in direct and administrative expenses with Web2 orgs and we are exploring how to optimise that in novel ways, among other things.
Really keen to see what delegates think here and integrate this proposal with the general DAO budgeting and treasury management discussion.
Interesting proposal, great job.
The targets are 100% on-chain correct?
Also, are there any pathways to explore off-chain holdings or multi-chain programs (assuming this is all meant to be native)?
Thanks to @karpatkey, @Aera, and @gauntlet for bringing this proposal forward. Our team strongly supports it, as we believe that a non-custodial and strategic treasury management program will make the DAO more resilient and sustainable, enabling it to withstand changing market conditions and continue to operate effectively even in a bear market.
Regarding the proposed management fee, we are curious if a hybrid fee structure (lower management fee combined with a performance fee) was considered to better align the parties involved. While we recognize that this approach could have potential drawbacks, was there any discussion about this option instead of the proposed fee?
Lastly, given the volatility of $ARB, would you be willing to compensate the Oversight Committee with a USD normalized amount rather than ARB?
What I mean by this is that, in my opinion, the role of the treasury manager should take on a more general and long-term position within the DAO. This includes identifying the DAO’s needs and providing a professional opinion on each proposal that involves an expense, specifically regarding its sustainability.
Shouldn't this be addressed by the budgeting work for the Dao? I know what you mean here but I think this, and others, strategic initiatives should.just go through and eventually be adjusted in round 2 or down the line to respect a bigger plan.
Also don't necessarily think is karpatkey/gauntlet job to necessarily address the above, on the contrary it could be better to have a party that is not involved in other key initiatives to avoid conflicts.
We are overall extremely supportive of this proposal. Treasury diversification is integral to Arbitrum’s longevity. If we enter a bear market tomorrow and the treasury is all ARB while the DAO has USD-denominated costs, we could be negatively encumbered and forced to sell ARB at depressed prices. We believe Gauntlet and Karpatkey are highly valuable partners and are happy to see that Aera has agreed to waive all fees.
One thing we would like to note is that we are aware in the ENS DAO, Karpatkey’s fee is 0.50%, so we would like to get a better explanation as to why the fee will be higher for Arbitrum. It seems the scope of the ENS positions that can be put on is more narrow, so we assume this is why the fee is set higher for Arbitrum. Perhaps exploring a flat fixed fee structure would make sense, particularly if the DAO expects to allocate more funds to this initiative in the future. Overall, 1% does seem a bit high, and we believe 0.5% would allow the DAO to move forward with this more rapidly. If this is not possible, we’d like to see more justification around the 1%.
We are very happy to see this initiative in the forum as it is an important step aligned with Entropy’s vision to achieve sustainable and durable operations for Arbitrum DAO.
Thanks to @karpatkey, @Aera, and @gauntlet for bringing this proposal forward. Our team strongly supports it, as we believe that a non-custodial and strategic treasury management program will make the DAO more resilient and sustainable, enabling it to withstand changing market conditions and continue to operate effectively even in a bear market.
Regarding the proposed management fee, we are curious if a hybrid fee structure (lower management fee combined with a performance fee) was considered to better align the parties involved. While we recognize that this approach could have potential drawbacks, was there any discussion about this option instead of the proposed fee?
Lastly, given the volatility of $ARB, would you be willing to compensate the Oversight Committee with a USD normalized amount rather than ARB?
What I mean by this is that, in my opinion, the role of the treasury manager should take on a more general and long-term position within the DAO. This includes identifying the DAO’s needs and providing a professional opinion on each proposal that involves an expense, specifically regarding its sustainability.
Shouldn't this be addressed by the budgeting work for the Dao? I know what you mean here but I think this, and others, strategic initiatives should.just go through and eventually be adjusted in round 2 or down the line to respect a bigger plan.
Also don't necessarily think is karpatkey/gauntlet job to necessarily address the above, on the contrary it could be better to have a party that is not involved in other key initiatives to avoid conflicts.
We are overall extremely supportive of this proposal. Treasury diversification is integral to Arbitrum’s longevity. If we enter a bear market tomorrow and the treasury is all ARB while the DAO has USD-denominated costs, we could be negatively encumbered and forced to sell ARB at depressed prices. We believe Gauntlet and Karpatkey are highly valuable partners and are happy to see that Aera has agreed to waive all fees.
One thing we would like to note is that we are aware in the ENS DAO, Karpatkey’s fee is 0.50%, so we would like to get a better explanation as to why the fee will be higher for Arbitrum. It seems the scope of the ENS positions that can be put on is more narrow, so we assume this is why the fee is set higher for Arbitrum. Perhaps exploring a flat fixed fee structure would make sense, particularly if the DAO expects to allocate more funds to this initiative in the future. Overall, 1% does seem a bit high, and we believe 0.5% would allow the DAO to move forward with this more rapidly. If this is not possible, we’d like to see more justification around the 1%.
We are very happy to see this initiative in the forum as it is an important step aligned with Entropy’s vision to achieve sustainable and durable operations for Arbitrum DAO.
