After successfully completing the development of ArbitrumHub.io, we are excited for the next major step.
Website: Arbitrum Hub Twitter: Arbitrum Hub Github: Arbitrum Hub
Building on our earlier achievements, this proposal outlines the next phase for ArbitrumHUB, aiming to solidify its position as the central hub for the ArbitrumDAO community. Our recent progress, detailed in the ArbitrumHub Platform Successful Completion Report, demonstrates our commitment to creating a user-friendly platform for community members. This report highlights our initiatives and milestones, showcasing ArbitrumHub as a reliable source for essential information and community engagement within the ArbitrumDAO ecosystem.
ArbitrumHub's vision is to be the go-to destination for comprehensive information about ArbitrumDAO and its initiatives. We aim to offer a unified platform for community updates, meeting information, and insights into upcoming events. Our strategy includes robust community participation, ensuring stakeholders have immediate access to critical information.
This proposal details the next steps, upcoming features, technical enhancements, and the implementation timeline for ArbitrumHub. Our goal is to establish ArbitrumHub as the ultimate platform, underpinned by strong foundations in security, design, development, research, management, transparency, and incentivized community contributions.
We will manage the platform and the ArbitrumHUB Twitter account to ensure the community can easily navigate and utilize all resources effectively.
ArbitrumHub addresses the need for a centralized resource within the ArbitrumDAO community. As the ecosystem grows, staying informed and connected becomes increasingly challenging. ArbitrumHub simplifies this by consolidating essential information and resources in one place, offering structured and reliable information.
We have been active in the community for a long time, but when we started, we faced numerous hurdles in obtaining the information we needed. This is a common issue, resulting in the loss of many new members facing this problem. With ArbitrumHUB, this will be a thing of the past, and ArbitrumDAO will attract many new members. This project is crucial for the continuous growth of the DAO.
The operations of ArbitrumHub will encompass four workflows related to key activities:
Leads: @hoomandigital, with @0x_Buidler and @ChaiT as Points of Contact
This workflow encompasses the following key areas:
@hoomandigital will lead these efforts, with @0x_Buidler and @ChaiT serving as the primary points of contact and coordinating the various initiatives.
Leads: @0x_Buidler and @ChaiT
This workflow focuses on engaging the community through incentivized contributions and collaborative efforts. Tasks will be divided among community contributors, organized into two initial groups:
Content & Educational Resources Group:
Research & Ideas Group:
@0x_Buidler and @ChaiT will lead these efforts with contributions from the community, serving as primary points of contact and driving the initiative forward. Weekly collaborations will ensure ongoing progress and alignment with community needs.
We will elect four advisors from the ArbitrumDAO community, who will act as important points of contact for gathering feedback and thoughts on improvements. Advisors are required to be experienced contributors within ArbitrumDAO and aware of all ongoing initiatives. Their primary role includes:
**Lead: @ocandocrypto **
Angela, who has been voluntarily contributing high-quality reports over the past few months, will lead this workflow. These reports are utilized by the foundation and others and serve as an essential source of information about the weekly DAO sync. Angela will produce up to six reports a month, including:
These reports are crucial for keeping the community informed and engaged with the ongoing activities and developments within ArbitrumDAO.
Platform Development and Security Management
Establishing Leadership and Roles
Community Engagement and Feedback Loop
Content Creation and Management
Showcasing and Promoting Impactful Initiatives in the Ecosystem
Establish a Workflow for weekly DAO Syncs @ocandocrypto , a dedicated contributor, will lead the production of five reports monthly, ensuring the community remains informed and engaged in ArbitrumDAO's progress. These reports, including weekly updates, initiative-focused insights, data analysis, and community feedback, serve as vital sources of information, enhancing transparency and understanding within the ecosystem.
Progress Tracking and Reporting
Rewards and Recognition
Long-term Sustainability
We are dedicated and passionate about ArbitrumDAO, committed to involving as many people as possible in the community. With our implementation strategy and the outlined tasks, we ensure smooth operations, delivering clear benefits for the entire ecosystem.
We successfully completed the previous pilot phase ahead of schedule, from January 2024 to April 2024, despite the original deadline being May 2024. Over the past 5 months, we've closely collaborated with key stakeholders to enhance the platform at every step. Our goal for the next phase is to complete it within 6 months. Here's our proposed timeline:
Month 1: Establishing Foundations
Month 2: Enhancements and Feedback
Month 3 - Month 6: Sustaining and Optimizing Operations
Throughout this timeline, @0x_builder and @ChaiT, along with the entire leadership team, will be actively engaged with the community and the foundation, providing detailed progress updates and ensuring alignment with goals and objectives.
As we embark on the journey to significantly enhance ArbitrumHub, we have meticulously crafted a strategic funding plan that not only fuels our commitment to improving every facet of the platform but also caters to the diverse needs of ArbitrumDAO. Here’s an enticing glimpse into how we envision supporting these transformative developments over the next six months:
We propose the Six-Month Starter Fund, a visionary approach designed to provide the financial bedrock necessary for uninterrupted progress in our platform's enhancement journey. This strategic fund empowers us to focus wholeheartedly on making impactful improvements without the distractions of ongoing fundraising efforts. Here’s why this fund is pivotal for the soaring success of ArbitrumHub and the dynamic growth of Arbitrum DAO:
Supporting Extensive Platform Functionalities: Our platform’s dynamic and expansive nature demands continuous enhancement to keep pace with the evolving needs of our vibrant community. From upgrading technical infrastructure to introducing cutting-edge user-focused features, these improvements are paramount for maintaining our competitive edge and driving innovation.
Ensuring Smooth Operations: Seamless operation is the backbone of our platform's success. Regular funding ensures we can carry out essential tasks, from routine maintenance to strategic upgrades, all of which are indispensable for fostering efficient community management and operational excellence.
Prioritizing Security and Stability: Security is paramount, and we spare no effort in fortifying our platform with robust security measures. Our proactive approach to security protocols not only safeguards the platform but also upholds the trust and confidence of our esteemed users, ensuring that ArbitrumHub remains a secure and reliable environment.
Fostering Community Engagement: A significant portion of our budget is dedicated to nurturing and rewarding community contributions. We are committed to cultivating an active and vibrant community where every voice matters and everyone feels valued and empowered to participate. Through innovative reward programs and engaging community events, we aim to incentivize meaningful engagement and cultivate a strong sense of belonging among our cherished users.
This strategic funding blueprint propels us towards a future brimming with innovation, collaboration, and unparalleled growth. Join us on this transformative journey as we elevate ArbitrumHub to new heights of excellence and redefine the possibilities within the Arbitrum ecosystem.
| Details | Per Month | Six Months |
|---|---|---|
| Item-1: Security, Uptime, Management, and Maintenance (@hoomandigital, with @0x_Buidler and @ChaiT as POC) | $18,000 | $108,000 |
| Item-2: Collaboration, Meetings & Meetings Report, , and Lead (@ChaiT and @0x_Buidler ) as Hosts and collaborators | $17,000 | $102,000 |
| Item-3: Community Contribution Incentives (Community) | $20,000 | $120,000 |
| Item-4: New Pages Development and Enhancements (@hoomandigital, with @0x_Buidler and @ChaiT as Points of Contact) | $18,000 | $108,000 |
| Item-5: Weekly DAO Sync Reports and 1 Extra Reports (@ocandocrypto ) | $6,000 | $36,000 |
| Total | $79,000 | $474,000 |
The proposed budget is for next six months and an overview is defined below:
1. Item-1 (Security, Uptime, Management, and Maintenance) & Item-4 (New Pages Development, Enhancements and Integrations)
A dedicated team at @hoomandigital, with @ChaiT and @0x_Buidler (me) serving as points of contact, will handle Agenda 1 and 4. These agendas require a blend of extensive skills, resources, time, and commitment. Key areas include the 5 phases of development in multiple sequential cycles:
Dev - Test - QA -UAT - Live : Each cycle comprises it’s own environment for TQM (Total QUality Management) per best practices of software development.
Furthermore, resources engaged in each cycle are not the same, neither is either cycle co-terminus. The program plan includes a 4 week contingency as well as standby resources to backfill any unforeseen gaps.
Dev and Test comprises the same team, QA and UAT are different team members / resources.
Our goal is to create a future-proof platform that meets the needs of the DAO, ensuring continuous iteration and improvement based on best practices. We cannot afford to leave any room for error.
While we may continue to decompose each area within the aforementioned, the summary above that’s gone one level lower should provide all the clarification.
2. Item-2 (Collaboration, Meetings & Meetings Report)
@ChaiT and @0x_Buidler (me) will lead Agenda 2, which involves hosting regular meetings and compiling comprehensive reports. These reports will cover:
3. Item-5 (Weekly DAO Sync Reports and 1 Extra Reports, 5 reports a month)
Angela has been contributing to the DAO for the past 5-6 months by creating weekly reports voluntarily. These reports, officially endorsed and utilized by the Arbitrum Foundation and the DAO, demonstrate significant value proposition and ongoing dedication/work.
While contributors’ times are well appreciated, this is not eternally gratis, and adequate compensation for helping develop accurate, timely, and complex reports is necessary to ensure continuity.
Examples of weekly DAO sync reports include:
4. Item-3 (Community Contribution Incentives)
Community incentives are crucial for encouraging active participation and enhancing ArbitrumDAO’s operations. We aim to motivate contributors by rewarding their efforts in:
We will ensure transparency in fund distribution, highlighting the impact of each contribution. Our primary objective is to foster greater community engagement and recognize the time, work, and energy invested by community members, ultimately bolstering the goodwill of the Arbitrum DAO.
The dedicated team at @hoomandigital, with @0x_Buidler and @ChaiT acting as Points of Contact (POCs) and leads, is fully committed to the ongoing development of ArbitrumHUB. With a long history of delivering projects that exceed expectations, our team has already showcased its capabilities during the previous phase of ArbitrumHUB.
The individuals responsible for leading the project include:
@0x_Buidler (Product Manager and Lead): Bringing over 3 years of experience in SAAS, 0xBuilder serves as the Product Manager and Lead. His dedication and commitment played a pivotal role in completing ArbitrumHUB's previous phase a month ahead of schedule.
@ChaiT (Project Manager): ChaiT, in the role of Project Manager, oversees the project's execution and ensures that all objectives are met with precision and efficiency.
@ocandocrypto (Contributor, weekly dao sync reports): a dedicated contributor, will lead the production of five reports monthly, ensuring the community remains informed and engaged in ArbitrumDAO's progress. These reports, including weekly updates, initiative-focused insights, data analysis, and community feedback, serve as vital sources of information, enhancing transparency and understanding within the ecosystem.
Our recent successes include the foundation's utilization of ArbitrumHub to detail various grant programs, making it significantly easier for individuals to participate in such programs. Community members are leveraging the platform to access information about different workgroups, incentive programs and other initiatives, leading to enhanced community engagement.
Furthermore, our platform has received notable endorsements on Twitter, including direct reposts by the official Arbitrum account. This traction has resulted in a growing following, endorsement and enagement. We are witnessing ArbitrumHUB's rapid ascent and are excited about its promising trajectory.
Thank you to everyone who provided relevant feedback during the RFP, open governance calls, and via DMs to help draft this proposal. We really appreciate it.
Our strategic roadmap for ArbitrumHub aligns with ArbitrumDAO's goals, focusing on enhancing technology, strengthening security, and fostering community engagement/contributions. With the backing of the Six-Month Starter Fund, we are committed to achieving these milestones seamlessly and continuously, empowering vibrant community and advancing the collective vision of decentralization and innovation in the Arbitrum DAO.
After successfully completing the development of ArbitrumHub.io, we are excited for the next major step.
Website: Arbitrum Hub Twitter: Arbitrum Hub Github: Arbitrum Hub
Building on our earlier achievements, this proposal outlines the next phase for ArbitrumHUB, aiming to solidify its position as the central hub for the ArbitrumDAO community. Our recent progress, detailed in the ArbitrumHub Platform Successful Completion Report, demonstrates our commitment to creating a user-friendly platform for community members. This report highlights our initiatives and milestones, showcasing ArbitrumHub as a reliable source for essential information and community engagement within the ArbitrumDAO ecosystem.
ArbitrumHub's vision is to be the go-to destination for comprehensive information about ArbitrumDAO and its initiatives. We aim to offer a unified platform for community updates, meeting information, and insights into upcoming events. Our strategy includes robust community participation, ensuring stakeholders have immediate access to critical information.
This proposal details the next steps, upcoming features, technical enhancements, and the implementation timeline for ArbitrumHub. Our goal is to establish ArbitrumHub as the ultimate platform, underpinned by strong foundations in security, design, development, research, management, transparency, and incentivized community contributions.
We will manage the platform and the ArbitrumHUB Twitter account to ensure the community can easily navigate and utilize all resources effectively.
ArbitrumHub addresses the need for a centralized resource within the ArbitrumDAO community. As the ecosystem grows, staying informed and connected becomes increasingly challenging. ArbitrumHub simplifies this by consolidating essential information and resources in one place, offering structured and reliable information.
We have been active in the community for a long time, but when we started, we faced numerous hurdles in obtaining the information we needed. This is a common issue, resulting in the loss of many new members facing this problem. With ArbitrumHUB, this will be a thing of the past, and ArbitrumDAO will attract many new members. This project is crucial for the continuous growth of the DAO.
The operations of ArbitrumHub will encompass four workflows related to key activities:
Leads: @hoomandigital, with @0x_Buidler and @ChaiT as Points of Contact
This workflow encompasses the following key areas:
@hoomandigital will lead these efforts, with @0x_Buidler and @ChaiT serving as the primary points of contact and coordinating the various initiatives.
Leads: @0x_Buidler and @ChaiT
This workflow focuses on engaging the community through incentivized contributions and collaborative efforts. Tasks will be divided among community contributors, organized into two initial groups:
Content & Educational Resources Group:
Research & Ideas Group:
@0x_Buidler and @ChaiT will lead these efforts with contributions from the community, serving as primary points of contact and driving the initiative forward. Weekly collaborations will ensure ongoing progress and alignment with community needs.
We will elect four advisors from the ArbitrumDAO community, who will act as important points of contact for gathering feedback and thoughts on improvements. Advisors are required to be experienced contributors within ArbitrumDAO and aware of all ongoing initiatives. Their primary role includes:
**Lead: @ocandocrypto **
Angela, who has been voluntarily contributing high-quality reports over the past few months, will lead this workflow. These reports are utilized by the foundation and others and serve as an essential source of information about the weekly DAO sync. Angela will produce up to six reports a month, including:
These reports are crucial for keeping the community informed and engaged with the ongoing activities and developments within ArbitrumDAO.
Platform Development and Security Management
Establishing Leadership and Roles
Community Engagement and Feedback Loop
Content Creation and Management
Showcasing and Promoting Impactful Initiatives in the Ecosystem
Establish a Workflow for weekly DAO Syncs @ocandocrypto , a dedicated contributor, will lead the production of five reports monthly, ensuring the community remains informed and engaged in ArbitrumDAO's progress. These reports, including weekly updates, initiative-focused insights, data analysis, and community feedback, serve as vital sources of information, enhancing transparency and understanding within the ecosystem.
Progress Tracking and Reporting
Rewards and Recognition
Long-term Sustainability
We are dedicated and passionate about ArbitrumDAO, committed to involving as many people as possible in the community. With our implementation strategy and the outlined tasks, we ensure smooth operations, delivering clear benefits for the entire ecosystem.
We successfully completed the previous pilot phase ahead of schedule, from January 2024 to April 2024, despite the original deadline being May 2024. Over the past 5 months, we've closely collaborated with key stakeholders to enhance the platform at every step. Our goal for the next phase is to complete it within 6 months. Here's our proposed timeline:
Month 1: Establishing Foundations
Month 2: Enhancements and Feedback
Month 3 - Month 6: Sustaining and Optimizing Operations
Throughout this timeline, @0x_builder and @ChaiT, along with the entire leadership team, will be actively engaged with the community and the foundation, providing detailed progress updates and ensuring alignment with goals and objectives.
As we embark on the journey to significantly enhance ArbitrumHub, we have meticulously crafted a strategic funding plan that not only fuels our commitment to improving every facet of the platform but also caters to the diverse needs of ArbitrumDAO. Here’s an enticing glimpse into how we envision supporting these transformative developments over the next six months:
We propose the Six-Month Starter Fund, a visionary approach designed to provide the financial bedrock necessary for uninterrupted progress in our platform's enhancement journey. This strategic fund empowers us to focus wholeheartedly on making impactful improvements without the distractions of ongoing fundraising efforts. Here’s why this fund is pivotal for the soaring success of ArbitrumHub and the dynamic growth of Arbitrum DAO:
Supporting Extensive Platform Functionalities: Our platform’s dynamic and expansive nature demands continuous enhancement to keep pace with the evolving needs of our vibrant community. From upgrading technical infrastructure to introducing cutting-edge user-focused features, these improvements are paramount for maintaining our competitive edge and driving innovation.
Ensuring Smooth Operations: Seamless operation is the backbone of our platform's success. Regular funding ensures we can carry out essential tasks, from routine maintenance to strategic upgrades, all of which are indispensable for fostering efficient community management and operational excellence.
Prioritizing Security and Stability: Security is paramount, and we spare no effort in fortifying our platform with robust security measures. Our proactive approach to security protocols not only safeguards the platform but also upholds the trust and confidence of our esteemed users, ensuring that ArbitrumHub remains a secure and reliable environment.
Fostering Community Engagement: A significant portion of our budget is dedicated to nurturing and rewarding community contributions. We are committed to cultivating an active and vibrant community where every voice matters and everyone feels valued and empowered to participate. Through innovative reward programs and engaging community events, we aim to incentivize meaningful engagement and cultivate a strong sense of belonging among our cherished users.
This strategic funding blueprint propels us towards a future brimming with innovation, collaboration, and unparalleled growth. Join us on this transformative journey as we elevate ArbitrumHub to new heights of excellence and redefine the possibilities within the Arbitrum ecosystem.
| Details | Per Month | Six Months |
|---|---|---|
| Item-1: Security, Uptime, Management, and Maintenance (@hoomandigital, with @0x_Buidler and @ChaiT as POC) | $18,000 | $108,000 |
| Item-2: Collaboration, Meetings & Meetings Report, , and Lead (@ChaiT and @0x_Buidler ) as Hosts and collaborators | $17,000 | $102,000 |
| Item-3: Community Contribution Incentives (Community) | $20,000 | $120,000 |
| Item-4: New Pages Development and Enhancements (@hoomandigital, with @0x_Buidler and @ChaiT as Points of Contact) | $18,000 | $108,000 |
| Item-5: Weekly DAO Sync Reports and 1 Extra Reports (@ocandocrypto ) | $6,000 | $36,000 |
| Total | $79,000 | $474,000 |
The proposed budget is for next six months and an overview is defined below:
1. Item-1 (Security, Uptime, Management, and Maintenance) & Item-4 (New Pages Development, Enhancements and Integrations)
A dedicated team at @hoomandigital, with @ChaiT and @0x_Buidler (me) serving as points of contact, will handle Agenda 1 and 4. These agendas require a blend of extensive skills, resources, time, and commitment. Key areas include the 5 phases of development in multiple sequential cycles:
Dev - Test - QA -UAT - Live : Each cycle comprises it’s own environment for TQM (Total QUality Management) per best practices of software development.
Furthermore, resources engaged in each cycle are not the same, neither is either cycle co-terminus. The program plan includes a 4 week contingency as well as standby resources to backfill any unforeseen gaps.
Dev and Test comprises the same team, QA and UAT are different team members / resources.
Our goal is to create a future-proof platform that meets the needs of the DAO, ensuring continuous iteration and improvement based on best practices. We cannot afford to leave any room for error.
While we may continue to decompose each area within the aforementioned, the summary above that’s gone one level lower should provide all the clarification.
2. Item-2 (Collaboration, Meetings & Meetings Report)
@ChaiT and @0x_Buidler (me) will lead Agenda 2, which involves hosting regular meetings and compiling comprehensive reports. These reports will cover:
3. Item-5 (Weekly DAO Sync Reports and 1 Extra Reports, 5 reports a month)
Angela has been contributing to the DAO for the past 5-6 months by creating weekly reports voluntarily. These reports, officially endorsed and utilized by the Arbitrum Foundation and the DAO, demonstrate significant value proposition and ongoing dedication/work.
While contributors’ times are well appreciated, this is not eternally gratis, and adequate compensation for helping develop accurate, timely, and complex reports is necessary to ensure continuity.
Examples of weekly DAO sync reports include:
4. Item-3 (Community Contribution Incentives)
Community incentives are crucial for encouraging active participation and enhancing ArbitrumDAO’s operations. We aim to motivate contributors by rewarding their efforts in:
We will ensure transparency in fund distribution, highlighting the impact of each contribution. Our primary objective is to foster greater community engagement and recognize the time, work, and energy invested by community members, ultimately bolstering the goodwill of the Arbitrum DAO.
The dedicated team at @hoomandigital, with @0x_Buidler and @ChaiT acting as Points of Contact (POCs) and leads, is fully committed to the ongoing development of ArbitrumHUB. With a long history of delivering projects that exceed expectations, our team has already showcased its capabilities during the previous phase of ArbitrumHUB.
The individuals responsible for leading the project include:
@0x_Buidler (Product Manager and Lead): Bringing over 3 years of experience in SAAS, 0xBuilder serves as the Product Manager and Lead. His dedication and commitment played a pivotal role in completing ArbitrumHUB's previous phase a month ahead of schedule.
@ChaiT (Project Manager): ChaiT, in the role of Project Manager, oversees the project's execution and ensures that all objectives are met with precision and efficiency.
@ocandocrypto (Contributor, weekly dao sync reports): a dedicated contributor, will lead the production of five reports monthly, ensuring the community remains informed and engaged in ArbitrumDAO's progress. These reports, including weekly updates, initiative-focused insights, data analysis, and community feedback, serve as vital sources of information, enhancing transparency and understanding within the ecosystem.
Our recent successes include the foundation's utilization of ArbitrumHub to detail various grant programs, making it significantly easier for individuals to participate in such programs. Community members are leveraging the platform to access information about different workgroups, incentive programs and other initiatives, leading to enhanced community engagement.
Furthermore, our platform has received notable endorsements on Twitter, including direct reposts by the official Arbitrum account. This traction has resulted in a growing following, endorsement and enagement. We are witnessing ArbitrumHUB's rapid ascent and are excited about its promising trajectory.
Thank you to everyone who provided relevant feedback during the RFP, open governance calls, and via DMs to help draft this proposal. We really appreciate it.
Our strategic roadmap for ArbitrumHub aligns with ArbitrumDAO's goals, focusing on enhancing technology, strengthening security, and fostering community engagement/contributions. With the backing of the Six-Month Starter Fund, we are committed to achieving these milestones seamlessly and continuously, empowering vibrant community and advancing the collective vision of decentralization and innovation in the Arbitrum DAO.
I oppose this proposal because it lacks sufficient details and clear metrics for measuring its success, making it difficult to evaluate its
Total cost of project too much for value provided
https://forum.arbitrum.foundation/t/non-constitutional-arbitrumhub-evolution-the-next-step-in-streamlining-information-access-and-raising-aw
https://forum.arbitrum.foundation/t/non-constitutional-arbitrumhub-evolution-the-next-step-in-streamlining-information-access-and-raising-aw
https://forum.arbitrum.foundation/t/non-constitutional-arbitrumhub-evolution-the-next-step-in-streamlining-information-access-and-raising-aw
FOR: https://forum.arbitrum.foundation/t/savvy-dao-delegate-communication-thread/21266/54?u=savvydao
https://forum.arbitrum.foundation/t/non-constitutional-arbitrumhub-evolution-the-next-step-in-streamlining-information-access-and-raising-aw
https://forum.arbitrum.foundation/t/non-constitutional-arbitrumhub-evolution-the-next-step-in-streamlining-information-access-and-raising-aw
https://forum.arbitrum.foundation/t/non-constitutional-arbitrumhub-evolution-the-next-step-in-streamlining-information-access-and-raising-aw
https://forum.arbitrum.foundation/t/non-constitutional-arbitrumhub-evolution-the-next-step-in-streamlining-information-access-and-raising-aw
https://forum.arbitrum.foundation/t/gfx-labs-delegate-communication-thread/
https://forum.arbitrum.foundation/t/non-constitutional-arbitrumhub-evolution-the-next-step-in-streamlining-information-access-and-raising-aw
https://forum.arbitrum.foundation/t/non-constitutional-arbitrumhub-evolution-the-next-step-in-streamlining-information-access-and-raising-aw
Lacks clear metrics for success and justification for the required resources.
https://forum.arbitrum.foundation/t/non-constitutional-arbitrumhub-evolution-the-next-step-in-streamlining-information-access-and-raising-aw
https://forum.arbitrum.foundation/t/non-constitutional-arbitrumhub-evolution-the-next-step-in-streamlining-information-access-and-raising-aw
I oppose this proposal because it lacks sufficient details and clear metrics for measuring its success, making it difficult to evaluate its
Total cost of project too much for value provided
https://forum.arbitrum.foundation/t/non-constitutional-arbitrumhub-evolution-the-next-step-in-streamlining-information-access-and-raising-aw
https://forum.arbitrum.foundation/t/non-constitutional-arbitrumhub-evolution-the-next-step-in-streamlining-information-access-and-raising-aw
https://forum.arbitrum.foundation/t/non-constitutional-arbitrumhub-evolution-the-next-step-in-streamlining-information-access-and-raising-aw
FOR: https://forum.arbitrum.foundation/t/savvy-dao-delegate-communication-thread/21266/54?u=savvydao
https://forum.arbitrum.foundation/t/non-constitutional-arbitrumhub-evolution-the-next-step-in-streamlining-information-access-and-raising-aw
https://forum.arbitrum.foundation/t/non-constitutional-arbitrumhub-evolution-the-next-step-in-streamlining-information-access-and-raising-aw
https://forum.arbitrum.foundation/t/non-constitutional-arbitrumhub-evolution-the-next-step-in-streamlining-information-access-and-raising-aw
https://forum.arbitrum.foundation/t/non-constitutional-arbitrumhub-evolution-the-next-step-in-streamlining-information-access-and-raising-aw
https://forum.arbitrum.foundation/t/gfx-labs-delegate-communication-thread/
https://forum.arbitrum.foundation/t/non-constitutional-arbitrumhub-evolution-the-next-step-in-streamlining-information-access-and-raising-aw
https://forum.arbitrum.foundation/t/non-constitutional-arbitrumhub-evolution-the-next-step-in-streamlining-information-access-and-raising-aw
Lacks clear metrics for success and justification for the required resources.
https://forum.arbitrum.foundation/t/non-constitutional-arbitrumhub-evolution-the-next-step-in-streamlining-information-access-and-raising-aw
https://forum.arbitrum.foundation/t/non-constitutional-arbitrumhub-evolution-the-next-step-in-streamlining-information-access-and-raising-aw
The dedicated team at hooman digital and 0x_buidler, chait being lead and angela creating dao sync reports etc..which are already being utilized by foundation and endorsed by members with significant collaborations, has demonstrated exceptional commitment and technical expertise.
Key Highlights:
1. Comprehensive Development Approach:
The dedicated team at hooman digital and 0x_buidler, chait being lead and angela creating dao sync reports etc..which are already being utilized by foundation and endorsed by members with significant collaborations, has demonstrated exceptional commitment and technical expertise.
Key Highlights:
1. Comprehensive Development Approach:
2. Expert Team and Resources:
3. Community and Stakeholder Engagement:
4. Incentives and Transparency:
Given the complexity and scale of the ArbitrumHub platform, along with the unique challenges of operating within a DAO structure, the proposed budget is both reasonable and essential. The team's commitment to creating a valuable and impactful platform for ArbitrumDAO is unwavering.
Alani Kuye
Good observation, I'll like to chime in on your second question (I'll leave the first one for @0x_Buidler ).
I believe it's important for project teams to be realistic with their ask relative to runway. Far too common in many ecosystems are teams who make an ask only to keep making subsequent funding requests because they did not understand their working financial models, opex + capex relative to their ask etc. Unfortunately, many of these teams either remain on life support or survive solely on grants.
Good observation, I'll like to chime in on your second question (I'll leave the first one for @0x_Buidler ).
I believe it's important for project teams to be realistic with their ask relative to runway. Far too common in many ecosystems are teams who make an ask only to keep making subsequent funding requests because they did not understand their working financial models, opex + capex relative to their ask etc. Unfortunately, many of these teams either remain on life support or survive solely on grants.
I strongly recommend teams asking for what will give them adequate runway to complete the job, not just enough to make a proposal palatable enough to pass review processes. This ensures vigorous review, and strong projects with a solid key value proposition and good fundamentals are funded, with continuity + growth at their core.
The numbers presented are realistic, and the team has proven verifiable capabilities + delivery.
Goals and Evaluation:
Outlined specific goals for the second stage, including increased user engagement (e.g., active users, content contributions) and platform usage (e.g., page views, time spent). Tracking these metrics and reporting them regularly to the community.
Cost Breakdown:
The budget breakdown details expenses for essential aspects like security, development, community incentives, and DAO sync reports. These investments are necessary to deliver a secure, user-friendly platform that fosters a vibrant community.
Cost Justification:
Maintaining a high-quality platform requires ongoing maintenance, security updates, and content creation. The team has demonstrably delivered results on the first phase, and this funding will allow continuity + momentum.
The team remains committed to responsible financial management and I believe this budget is realistic for achieving the outlined goals. I do believe there is room to discuss any specific cost areas you might have questions about.
If there are any cost-saving measures in place, mention them (e.g., utilizing open-source tools, leveraging volunteer contributions, etc).
Alani Kuye
This is a comprehensive proposal outlining the next exciting phase of ArbitrumHub's development. The focus on clear communication, community engagement, and a strong financial plan demonstrates a thoughtful approach. The team's proven track record inspires confidence in their ability to deliver. Overall, this proposal positions ArbitrumHub to become a central hub for the ArbitrumDAO community.
We extend our heartfelt gratitude to all the delegates and others who dedicated their time to review our proposal and provide valuable suggestions for improvement. We deeply appreciate the suggestions received from delegates in refining the proposal, establishing key performance indicators (KPIs), budget allocation, identifying critical next steps, and setting long-term goals to ensure the success of this impactful initiative. Your kind words regarding our work for DAO are sincerely appreciated.
Moving forward, our priority is to collaborate closely with delegates to further refine and iterate on the overall initiative and proposal. We look forward to another snapshot review in the near future.
We extend our heartfelt gratitude to all the delegates and others who dedicated their time to review our proposal and provide valuable suggestions for improvement. We deeply appreciate the suggestions received from delegates in refining the proposal, establishing key performance indicators (KPIs), budget allocation, identifying critical next steps, and setting long-term goals to ensure the success of this impactful initiative. Your kind words regarding our work for DAO are sincerely appreciated.
Moving forward, our priority is to collaborate closely with delegates to further refine and iterate on the overall initiative and proposal. We look forward to another snapshot review in the near future.
Thank you.
The dedicated team at hooman digital and 0x_buidler, chait being lead and angela creating dao sync reports etc..which are already being utilized by foundation and endorsed by members with significant collaborations, has demonstrated exceptional commitment and technical expertise.
Key Highlights:
1. Comprehensive Development Approach:
The dedicated team at hooman digital and 0x_buidler, chait being lead and angela creating dao sync reports etc..which are already being utilized by foundation and endorsed by members with significant collaborations, has demonstrated exceptional commitment and technical expertise.
Key Highlights:
1. Comprehensive Development Approach:
2. Expert Team and Resources:
3. Community and Stakeholder Engagement:
4. Incentives and Transparency:
Given the complexity and scale of the ArbitrumHub platform, along with the unique challenges of operating within a DAO structure, the proposed budget is both reasonable and essential. The team's commitment to creating a valuable and impactful platform for ArbitrumDAO is unwavering.
Alani Kuye
Good observation, I'll like to chime in on your second question (I'll leave the first one for @0x_Buidler ).
I believe it's important for project teams to be realistic with their ask relative to runway. Far too common in many ecosystems are teams who make an ask only to keep making subsequent funding requests because they did not understand their working financial models, opex + capex relative to their ask etc. Unfortunately, many of these teams either remain on life support or survive solely on grants.
Good observation, I'll like to chime in on your second question (I'll leave the first one for @0x_Buidler ).
I believe it's important for project teams to be realistic with their ask relative to runway. Far too common in many ecosystems are teams who make an ask only to keep making subsequent funding requests because they did not understand their working financial models, opex + capex relative to their ask etc. Unfortunately, many of these teams either remain on life support or survive solely on grants.
I strongly recommend teams asking for what will give them adequate runway to complete the job, not just enough to make a proposal palatable enough to pass review processes. This ensures vigorous review, and strong projects with a solid key value proposition and good fundamentals are funded, with continuity + growth at their core.
The numbers presented are realistic, and the team has proven verifiable capabilities + delivery.
Goals and Evaluation:
Outlined specific goals for the second stage, including increased user engagement (e.g., active users, content contributions) and platform usage (e.g., page views, time spent). Tracking these metrics and reporting them regularly to the community.
Cost Breakdown:
The budget breakdown details expenses for essential aspects like security, development, community incentives, and DAO sync reports. These investments are necessary to deliver a secure, user-friendly platform that fosters a vibrant community.
Cost Justification:
Maintaining a high-quality platform requires ongoing maintenance, security updates, and content creation. The team has demonstrably delivered results on the first phase, and this funding will allow continuity + momentum.
The team remains committed to responsible financial management and I believe this budget is realistic for achieving the outlined goals. I do believe there is room to discuss any specific cost areas you might have questions about.
If there are any cost-saving measures in place, mention them (e.g., utilizing open-source tools, leveraging volunteer contributions, etc).
Alani Kuye
This is a comprehensive proposal outlining the next exciting phase of ArbitrumHub's development. The focus on clear communication, community engagement, and a strong financial plan demonstrates a thoughtful approach. The team's proven track record inspires confidence in their ability to deliver. Overall, this proposal positions ArbitrumHub to become a central hub for the ArbitrumDAO community.
We extend our heartfelt gratitude to all the delegates and others who dedicated their time to review our proposal and provide valuable suggestions for improvement. We deeply appreciate the suggestions received from delegates in refining the proposal, establishing key performance indicators (KPIs), budget allocation, identifying critical next steps, and setting long-term goals to ensure the success of this impactful initiative. Your kind words regarding our work for DAO are sincerely appreciated.
Moving forward, our priority is to collaborate closely with delegates to further refine and iterate on the overall initiative and proposal. We look forward to another snapshot review in the near future.
We extend our heartfelt gratitude to all the delegates and others who dedicated their time to review our proposal and provide valuable suggestions for improvement. We deeply appreciate the suggestions received from delegates in refining the proposal, establishing key performance indicators (KPIs), budget allocation, identifying critical next steps, and setting long-term goals to ensure the success of this impactful initiative. Your kind words regarding our work for DAO are sincerely appreciated.
Moving forward, our priority is to collaborate closely with delegates to further refine and iterate on the overall initiative and proposal. We look forward to another snapshot review in the near future.
Thank you.
It's difficult to see even such a significant amount of upfront effort fail in a DAO.
Majority of the feedback has been about the budget. I want to clarify that the budget was not entirely for the team; a substantial portion was reserved for the community and weekly reports.
It's difficult to see even such a significant amount of upfront effort fail in a DAO.
Majority of the feedback has been about the budget. I want to clarify that the budget was not entirely for the team; a substantial portion was reserved for the community and weekly reports.
Some suggest removing these items, but I want to emphasize that doing so could lead to centralization, as it reduces community involvement. Additionally, we cannot expect the community to work for free, nor should we.
Therefore, we believe that a community incentives budget is necessary because a DAO is by the community and for the community. These incentives are not free; they are in exchange for the valuable resources that the community produces for the DAO.
Its funny, the DAO has hundreds of millions to spend on LTIPP and STIP etc.., but when it comes to incentives for the community to produce educational resources and make improvements, it seems too much for the DAO. I completely disagree with this point.
Lastly, this initiative is meant for the long term, and we proposed six months to establish a solid foundation and use cases for ArbitrumHub in the DAO. With proper resources in place, this task could be managed well; without them, and if we continue on our own, it could lead to burnout. That's why we approached the DAO to supply the necessary resources for us to continue.
We hope to work with the delegates to find common ground and re-propose our plan in the future and really appreciate the extensive feedback, suggestions and time put into this proposal. 🤝🤝
Thank you
thank you @maxlomu for the feedback , ArbitrumHub is already live, and we have been working on this initiative non-stop for the past six months. This is the first time we are coming to the DAO to ask for the necessary support. The budget we have proposed is not solely for the team; a significant portion is reserved for community contributions and weekly DAO sync reports.
Below are the socials for arbitrumhub: Website: Arbitrum Hub Twitter: Arbitrum Hub Github: Arbitrum Hub
thank you @maxlomu for the feedback , ArbitrumHub is already live, and we have been working on this initiative non-stop for the past six months. This is the first time we are coming to the DAO to ask for the necessary support. The budget we have proposed is not solely for the team; a significant portion is reserved for community contributions and weekly DAO sync reports.
Below are the socials for arbitrumhub: Website: Arbitrum Hub Twitter: Arbitrum Hub Github: Arbitrum Hub
Thank you
Thank you all for your valuable feedback on the ArbitrumHub proposal. We appreciate the time and thought put into your responses and would like to address some of the concerns raised.
Addressing Budget Concerns
Thank you all for your valuable feedback on the ArbitrumHub proposal. We appreciate the time and thought put into your responses and would like to address some of the concerns raised.
Addressing Budget Concerns
The platform's operations, maintenance, and continuous enhancement are critical to ensuring its reliability and effectiveness. A dedicated team from HoomanDigital, comprising designers, developers, and UX specialists, is essential to maintain high standards of security, uptime, and platform enhancements. This team will handle a range of tasks, including content creation, quality assurance, and managing community contributions. Each phase of development—Dev, Test, QA, UAT, and Live—requires distinct resources and meticulous attention to detail, including a four-week contingency plan and standby resources to address any unforeseen gaps. This structured approach ensures a robust and future-proof platform that meets the evolving needs of the DAO.
The weekly DAO sync reports, produced by Angela over the past 5-6 months, are integral to maintaining transparency and keeping the community informed. Each report, spanning 2,000-3,000 words, involves extensive research to cover all DAO activities accurately. The proposed cost of $1,200 per report is consistent with industry standards for such detailed and high-quality work. These reports include updates on governance, initiatives and community contributions, providing valuable insights and fostering informed decision-making within the DAO.
We acknowledge concerns about the budget and are open to discussing a moderate reduction. While some suggest pursuing grant programs, ArbitrumHub's continuous nature makes it unsuitable for limited grant resources. Instead, we propose a phased approach with initial six-month milestones to establish a solid foundation, followed by longer-term plans. This strategy balances cost management with delivering a high-quality platform.
In response to feedback, we will present a refined proposal to better align with community expectations and financial considerations, demonstrating our commitment to creating a sustainable and impactful platform for the ArbitrumDAO.
Phased Implementation and Milestones
Community and DAO Alignment
Utilization of Existing Platforms
Next Steps
Conclusion
We are committed to building a valuable resource for the Arbitrum DAO community and appreciate your constructive feedback. By working together, we can ensure that ArbitrumHub meets the community's needs and becomes a cornerstone of the arbitrum DAO ecosystem.
Thank you for your ongoing support and input.
Best regards, @0x_Buidler and the ArbitrumHub Team
thank you @Gabriel , ArbitrumHub is already live, and we have been working on this initiative for the past six months. This is the first time we are coming to the DAO to ask for the necessary support. The budget we have proposed is not solely for the team; a significant portion is reserved for community contributions and weekly DAO sync reports.
It's difficult to see even such a significant amount of upfront effort fail in a DAO.
Majority of the feedback has been about the budget. I want to clarify that the budget was not entirely for the team; a substantial portion was reserved for the community and weekly reports.
It's difficult to see even such a significant amount of upfront effort fail in a DAO.
Majority of the feedback has been about the budget. I want to clarify that the budget was not entirely for the team; a substantial portion was reserved for the community and weekly reports.
Some suggest removing these items, but I want to emphasize that doing so could lead to centralization, as it reduces community involvement. Additionally, we cannot expect the community to work for free, nor should we.
Therefore, we believe that a community incentives budget is necessary because a DAO is by the community and for the community. These incentives are not free; they are in exchange for the valuable resources that the community produces for the DAO.
Its funny, the DAO has hundreds of millions to spend on LTIPP and STIP etc.., but when it comes to incentives for the community to produce educational resources and make improvements, it seems too much for the DAO. I completely disagree with this point.
Lastly, this initiative is meant for the long term, and we proposed six months to establish a solid foundation and use cases for ArbitrumHub in the DAO. With proper resources in place, this task could be managed well; without them, and if we continue on our own, it could lead to burnout. That's why we approached the DAO to supply the necessary resources for us to continue.
We hope to work with the delegates to find common ground and re-propose our plan in the future and really appreciate the extensive feedback, suggestions and time put into this proposal. 🤝🤝
Thank you
thank you @maxlomu for the feedback , ArbitrumHub is already live, and we have been working on this initiative non-stop for the past six months. This is the first time we are coming to the DAO to ask for the necessary support. The budget we have proposed is not solely for the team; a significant portion is reserved for community contributions and weekly DAO sync reports.
Below are the socials for arbitrumhub: Website: Arbitrum Hub Twitter: Arbitrum Hub Github: Arbitrum Hub
thank you @maxlomu for the feedback , ArbitrumHub is already live, and we have been working on this initiative non-stop for the past six months. This is the first time we are coming to the DAO to ask for the necessary support. The budget we have proposed is not solely for the team; a significant portion is reserved for community contributions and weekly DAO sync reports.
Below are the socials for arbitrumhub: Website: Arbitrum Hub Twitter: Arbitrum Hub Github: Arbitrum Hub
Thank you
Thank you all for your valuable feedback on the ArbitrumHub proposal. We appreciate the time and thought put into your responses and would like to address some of the concerns raised.
Addressing Budget Concerns
Thank you all for your valuable feedback on the ArbitrumHub proposal. We appreciate the time and thought put into your responses and would like to address some of the concerns raised.
Addressing Budget Concerns
The platform's operations, maintenance, and continuous enhancement are critical to ensuring its reliability and effectiveness. A dedicated team from HoomanDigital, comprising designers, developers, and UX specialists, is essential to maintain high standards of security, uptime, and platform enhancements. This team will handle a range of tasks, including content creation, quality assurance, and managing community contributions. Each phase of development—Dev, Test, QA, UAT, and Live—requires distinct resources and meticulous attention to detail, including a four-week contingency plan and standby resources to address any unforeseen gaps. This structured approach ensures a robust and future-proof platform that meets the evolving needs of the DAO.
The weekly DAO sync reports, produced by Angela over the past 5-6 months, are integral to maintaining transparency and keeping the community informed. Each report, spanning 2,000-3,000 words, involves extensive research to cover all DAO activities accurately. The proposed cost of $1,200 per report is consistent with industry standards for such detailed and high-quality work. These reports include updates on governance, initiatives and community contributions, providing valuable insights and fostering informed decision-making within the DAO.
We acknowledge concerns about the budget and are open to discussing a moderate reduction. While some suggest pursuing grant programs, ArbitrumHub's continuous nature makes it unsuitable for limited grant resources. Instead, we propose a phased approach with initial six-month milestones to establish a solid foundation, followed by longer-term plans. This strategy balances cost management with delivering a high-quality platform.
In response to feedback, we will present a refined proposal to better align with community expectations and financial considerations, demonstrating our commitment to creating a sustainable and impactful platform for the ArbitrumDAO.
Phased Implementation and Milestones
Community and DAO Alignment
Utilization of Existing Platforms
Next Steps
Conclusion
We are committed to building a valuable resource for the Arbitrum DAO community and appreciate your constructive feedback. By working together, we can ensure that ArbitrumHub meets the community's needs and becomes a cornerstone of the arbitrum DAO ecosystem.
Thank you for your ongoing support and input.
Best regards, @0x_Buidler and the ArbitrumHub Team
thank you @Gabriel , ArbitrumHub is already live, and we have been working on this initiative for the past six months. This is the first time we are coming to the DAO to ask for the necessary support. The budget we have proposed is not solely for the team; a significant portion is reserved for community contributions and weekly DAO sync reports.
thank you @Gabriel , ArbitrumHub is already live, and we have been working on this initiative for the past six months. This is the first time we are coming to the DAO to ask for the necessary support. The budget we have proposed is not solely for the team; a significant portion is reserved for community contributions and weekly DAO sync reports.
Below are the socials for arbitrumhub: Website: Arbitrum Hub Twitter: Arbitrum Hub Github: Arbitrum Hub
Thank you
Thank you so much @Larva for the support 💪
Really appreciate it 🤝
Thank you @PGov for your kind words and support.
While during tally vote, we can agree on little reduction in overall budget but 20-30% of current ask is not just feasible to operate such big initiative as it will consume a good amount of man power, resources, time and most importantly commitment.
Thank you @PGov for your kind words and support.
While during tally vote, we can agree on little reduction in overall budget but 20-30% of current ask is not just feasible to operate such big initiative as it will consume a good amount of man power, resources, time and most importantly commitment.
The initiative includes a budget for community contributions, weekly dao sync reports, regular meets and collaboration besides platform development and expansion..
A details about each item is defined below:
1. Item-1 (Security, Uptime, Management, and Maintenance) & Item-4 (New Pages Development, Enhancements and Integrations)
A dedicated team at @hoomandigital , with @ChaiT and @0x_Buidler (me) serving as points of contact, will handle Agenda 1 and 4. These agendas require a blend of extensive skills, resources, time, and commitment. Key areas include the 5 phases of development in multiple sequential cycles:
Dev - Test - QA -UAT - Live : Each cycle comprises it’s own environment for TQM (Total QUality Management) per best practices of software development.
Furthermore, resources engaged in each cycle are not the same, neither is either cycle co-terminus. The program plan includes a 4 week contingency as well as standby resources to backfill any unforeseen gaps.
Dev and Test comprises the same team, QA and UAT are different team members / resources.
Our goal is to create a future-proof platform that meets the needs of the DAO, ensuring continuous iteration and improvement based on best practices. We cannot afford to leave any room for error.
While we may continue to decompose each area within the aforementioned, the summary above that’s gone one level lower should provide all the clarification.
2. Item-2 (Collaboration, Meetings & Meetings Report)
@ChaiT and @0x_Buidler (me) will lead Agenda 2, which involves hosting regular meetings and compiling comprehensive reports. These reports will cover:
3. Item-5 (Weekly DAO Sync Reports and 1 Extra Reports, 5 reports a month)
Angela has been contributing to the DAO for the past 5-6 months by creating weekly reports voluntarily. These reports, officially endorsed and utilized by the Arbitrum Foundation and the DAO, demonstrate significant value proposition and ongoing dedication/work.
While contributors’ times are well appreciated, this is not eternally gratis, and adequate compensation for helping develop accurate, timely, and complex reports is necessary to ensure continuity.
Examples of weekly DAO sync reports include:
4. Item-3 (Community Contribution Incentives)
Community incentives are crucial for encouraging active participation and enhancing ArbitrumDAO’s operations. We aim to motivate contributors by rewarding their efforts in:
We will ensure transparency in fund distribution, highlighting the impact of each contribution. Our primary objective is to foster greater community engagement and recognize the time, work, and energy invested by community members, ultimately bolstering the goodwill of the Arbitrum DAO.
Thank you.
Thanks, Nathan for your input on the proposal. We have already removed the advisor role and the related budget a long while ago...
I would like to reiterate. this is not a project that can be handled by a team of only three people. As part of the project, a dedicated group from hoomandigital has been assembled, including a lead designer, a developer, and UX, who will be responsible for item-1 and item-4.
Thanks, Nathan for your input on the proposal. We have already removed the advisor role and the related budget a long while ago...
I would like to reiterate. this is not a project that can be handled by a team of only three people. As part of the project, a dedicated group from hoomandigital has been assembled, including a lead designer, a developer, and UX, who will be responsible for item-1 and item-4.
Regarding the other tasks, I and @ChaiT will will take the lead. Additionally, @ocandocrypto oversees the weekly Dao Sync. Altogether, we make up a strong, cohesive group of seven to eight team members.
We are working on this initiative for past 6 months voluntarily and never came up from thin air to dao, asking for the relevant support that is necessary to continue doing things. Its not feasible to keep on operating voluntarily without proper support when we are leading so much big things exclusively for the dao.
If we had an intention of robbery, we would have never built such big thing exclusively for the dao that we invested 6 months in.
To clarify, I want to point out that the team will not receive the total allotment of the project's funds. The breakdown also includes provisions for the community's rewards and the creation of periodic Dao Sync reports.
I trust this conveys the information to alleviate any confusion you have and the conclusion you made to vote against the proposal..
Thank you
Some general thoughts on why to have arbitrumhub?
The foundation and community itself is using some components of Arbitrumhub and consider it as highly valuable resource, as also outlined in above comments.
Some general thoughts on why to have arbitrumhub?
The foundation and community itself is using some components of Arbitrumhub and consider it as highly valuable resource, as also outlined in above comments.
I also had a chat with the foundation a few months back, and they agreed to have something like this controlled by the community. The DAO and foundation are completely independent of each other and therefore DAO needs something of its own and we believe arbitrumhub has the capacity to fill this gap. Additionally, the foundation will never have the capacity to manage and report on the vast number of activities happening within the DAO.
As for the forum, it is primarily for DAO participants, and discussions often get lost over time amid general conversations. In contrast, ArbitrumHub is designed to report on all DAO activities and present information in an organized manner. In our proposal, we have also included a budget for weekly DAO sync reports, community contributions like educational articles and research, platform enhancement, management, and regular meetings with the community to tackle challenges such as awareness, access, and easy onboarding.
We have proposed this after six months of work and multiple thousands of hours invested voluntarily. This initiative is exclusive to the DAO, 100% open source, and transparent. No other DAO has something like this as of today. We assure you that with support, ArbitrumHub will become an integral part of the DAO.
Thank you.
Thank you, @ZER8, for your feedback. To address your concerns, please see our response below.
First, we have never claimed that this is just a two-member effort. We have clearly outlined that a dedicated team at @hoomandigital will handle item-1 and item-4. More details about each item are attached below.
Thank you, @ZER8, for your feedback. To address your concerns, please see our response below.
First, we have never claimed that this is just a two-member effort. We have clearly outlined that a dedicated team at @hoomandigital will handle item-1 and item-4. More details about each item are attached below.
Regarding the $6k/month for the weekly DAO sync report, we would like to emphasize that these reports require extensive research and effort to capture all events happening in a DAO each week. Each report is 2k to 3k words long and is quoted at $1.2k per report, with 5 reports produced every month, which aligns with industry standards. Additionally, these reports have been consistently created by Angela for the past 5-6 months without requesting any compensation, demonstrating their value and utilization in various official spaces, adding significant value to the DAO.
Lastly, this initiative goes beyond just ArbitrumHub and encompasses a range of significant initiative completely focused on arbitrum dao. For detailed information on each item, please see the following sections.
1. Item-1 (Security, Uptime, Management, and Maintenance) & Item-4 (New Pages Development, Enhancements and Integrations)
A dedicated team at @hoomandigital , with @ChaiT and @0x_Buidler (me) serving as points of contact, will handle Agenda 1 and 4. These agendas require a blend of extensive skills, resources, time, and commitment. Key areas include the 5 phases of development in multiple sequential cycles:
Dev - Test - QA -UAT - Live : Each cycle comprises it’s own environment for TQM (Total QUality Management) per best practices of software development.
Furthermore, resources engaged in each cycle are not the same, neither is either cycle co-terminus. The program plan includes a 4 week contingency as well as standby resources to backfill any unforeseen gaps.
Dev and Test comprises the same team, QA and UAT are different team members / resources.
Our goal is to create a future-proof platform that meets the needs of the DAO, ensuring continuous iteration and improvement based on best practices. We cannot afford to leave any room for error.
While we may continue to decompose each area within the aforementioned, the summary above that’s gone one level lower should provide all the clarification.
2. Item-2 (Collaboration, Meetings & Meetings Report)
@ChaiT and @0x_Buidler (me) will lead Agenda 2, which involves hosting regular meetings and compiling comprehensive reports. These reports will cover:
3. Item-5 (Weekly DAO Sync Reports and 1 Extra Reports, 5 reports a month)
Angela has been contributing to the DAO for the past 5-6 months by creating weekly reports voluntarily. These reports, officially endorsed and utilized by the Arbitrum Foundation and the DAO, demonstrate significant value proposition and ongoing dedication/work.
While contributors’ times are well appreciated, this is not eternally gratis, and adequate compensation for helping develop accurate, timely, and complex reports is necessary to ensure continuity.
Examples of weekly DAO sync reports include:
4. Item-3 (Community Contribution Incentives)
Community incentives are crucial for encouraging active participation and enhancing ArbitrumDAO’s operations. We aim to motivate contributors by rewarding their efforts in:
We will ensure transparency in fund distribution, highlighting the impact of each contribution. Our primary objective is to foster greater community engagement and recognize the time, work, and energy invested by community members, ultimately bolstering the goodwill of the Arbitrum DAO.
Thank you.
Thank you, @cp0x. The breakdown is already present in the form of a table in the original proposal. For greater transparency, we have updated the work details involved for each item in the proposal.
Thank you, @cp0x. The breakdown is already present in the form of a table in the original proposal. For greater transparency, we have updated the work details involved for each item in the proposal.
1. Item-1 (Security, Uptime, Management, and Maintenance) & Item-4 (New Pages Development, Enhancements and Integrations)
A dedicated team at @hoomandigital , with @ChaiT and @0x_Buidler (me) serving as points of contact, will handle Agenda 1 and 4. These agendas require a blend of extensive skills, resources, time, and commitment. Key areas include the 5 phases of development in multiple sequential cycles:
Dev - Test - QA -UAT - Live : Each cycle comprises it’s own environment for TQM (Total QUality Management) per best practices of software development.
Furthermore, resources engaged in each cycle are not the same, neither is either cycle co-terminus. The program plan includes a 4 week contingency as well as standby resources to backfill any unforeseen gaps.
Dev and Test comprises the same team, QA and UAT are different team members / resources.
Our goal is to create a future-proof platform that meets the needs of the DAO, ensuring continuous iteration and improvement based on best practices. We cannot afford to leave any room for error.
While we may continue to decompose each area within the aforementioned, the summary above that’s gone one level lower should provide all the clarification.
2. Item-2 (Collaboration, Meetings & Meetings Report)
@ChaiT and @0x_Buidler (me) will lead Agenda 2, which involves hosting regular meetings and compiling comprehensive reports. These reports will cover:
3. Item-5 (Weekly DAO Sync Reports and 1 Extra Reports, 5 reports a month)
Angela has been contributing to the DAO for the past 5-6 months by creating weekly reports voluntarily. These reports, officially endorsed and utilized by the Arbitrum Foundation and the DAO, demonstrate significant value proposition and ongoing dedication/work.
While contributors’ times are well appreciated, this is not eternally gratis, and adequate compensation for helping develop accurate, timely, and complex reports is necessary to ensure continuity.
Examples of weekly DAO sync reports include:
4. Item-3 (Community Contribution Incentives)
Community incentives are crucial for encouraging active participation and enhancing ArbitrumDAO’s operations. We aim to motivate contributors by rewarding their efforts in:
We will ensure transparency in fund distribution, highlighting the impact of each contribution. Our primary objective is to foster greater community engagement and recognize the time, work, and energy invested by community members, ultimately bolstering the goodwill of the Arbitrum DAO.
Regarding the three-year term, we initially did not want to propose something too extensive at once. We have proposed a six-month term to establish a solid foundation for ArbitrumHub and ensure its usefulness, which will then be followed by longer terms. We have been working on this initiative for over six months and understand the amount and type of work required to achieve our goals.
Lastly, we have reconsidered the budget where necessary already, and the current budget reflects the resources, time, and commitment required, as well as the value proposition it offers to the DAO as a whole.
Thank you.
During the LTIP prep I put together a basic version of this as an idea to support the program: Notion – The all-in-one workspace for your notes, tasks, wikis, and databases.
Thank you, @cp0x, for your input. To address your doubts and concerns, here is our detailed response:
Thank you, @cp0x, for your input. To address your doubts and concerns, here is our detailed response:
We are working on the ArbitrumHub platform, a sophisticated integration of resources, skills, and technologies. Over the past few months, we have voluntarily contributed to ArbitrumDAO by building, maintaining, expanding, and collaborating with multiple leads within the DAO to enhance its usefulness. Comparing it with a simple website work is an understatement; it is a comprehensive application developed exclusively for ArbitrumDAO.
The proposed budget is for next six months and an overview is defined below:
1. Agenda-1 & Agenda-4
A dedicated team at @hoomandigital, with @ChaiT and @0x_Buidler (me) serving as points of contact, will handle Agenda 1 and 4. These agendas require a blend of extensive skills, resources, time, and commitment. Key areas include the 5 phases of development in multiple sequential cycles:
Dev - Test - QA -UAT - Live : Each cycle comprises it’s own environment for TQM (Total QUality Management) per best practices of software development.
Furthermore, resources engaged in each cycle are not the same, neither is either cycle co-terminus. The program plan includes a 4 week contingency as well as standby resources to backfill any unforeseen gaps.
Dev and Test comprises the same team, QA and UAT are different team members / resources.
Our goal is to create a future-proof platform that meets the needs of the DAO, ensuring continuous iteration and improvement based on best practices. We cannot afford to leave any room for error.
While we may continue to decompose each area within the aforementioned, the summary above that’s gone one level lower should provide all the clarification.
2. Agenda 2
@ChaiT and @0x_Buidler (me) will lead Agenda 2, which involves hosting regular meetings and compiling comprehensive reports. These reports will cover:
3. Angela’s Contributions (Agenda-5)
Angela has been contributing to the DAO for the past 5-6 months by creating weekly reports voluntarily. These reports, officially endorsed and utilized by the Arbitrum Foundation and the DAO, demonstrate significant value proposition and ongoing dedication/work.
While contributors' times are well appreciated, this is not eternally gratis, and adequate compensation for helping develop accurate, timely, and complex reports is necessary to ensure continuity.
4. Community Incentives
Community incentives are crucial for encouraging active participation and enhancing ArbitrumDAO’s operations. We aim to motivate contributors by rewarding their efforts in:
We will ensure transparency in fund distribution, highlighting the impact of each contribution. Our primary objective is to foster greater community engagement and recognize the time, work, and energy invested by community members, ultimately bolstering the goodwill of the Arbitrum DAO.
Comparing ArbitrumHub to a basic website or standard job isn't feasible. Operating within a DAO introduces unique challenges that demand significant resources, time, and commitment.
Both ArbitrumHub and the weekly DAO sync reports have consistently received endorsements and active usage from Arbitrum, key DAO figures & community, highlighting their value proposition to the DAO. Considering these factors, we find our proposed budget to be reasonable.
I hope this clarifies our position and highlights the extensive work involved with arbitrumhub and the overall initiative.
Thank you
Thank you, @cp0x. We removed the advisor element since its role is effectively being fulfilled through surveys, meetings, community events, and incentivized contributions as also being pointed out by james. Additionally, we have reduced the number of DAO sync reports from 6 per month to 5 per month, resulting in an overall cost reduction of $55.2k.
Thank you.
thank you @Gabriel , ArbitrumHub is already live, and we have been working on this initiative for the past six months. This is the first time we are coming to the DAO to ask for the necessary support. The budget we have proposed is not solely for the team; a significant portion is reserved for community contributions and weekly DAO sync reports.
Below are the socials for arbitrumhub: Website: Arbitrum Hub Twitter: Arbitrum Hub Github: Arbitrum Hub
Thank you
Thank you so much @Larva for the support 💪
Really appreciate it 🤝
Thank you @PGov for your kind words and support.
While during tally vote, we can agree on little reduction in overall budget but 20-30% of current ask is not just feasible to operate such big initiative as it will consume a good amount of man power, resources, time and most importantly commitment.
Thank you @PGov for your kind words and support.
While during tally vote, we can agree on little reduction in overall budget but 20-30% of current ask is not just feasible to operate such big initiative as it will consume a good amount of man power, resources, time and most importantly commitment.
The initiative includes a budget for community contributions, weekly dao sync reports, regular meets and collaboration besides platform development and expansion..
A details about each item is defined below:
1. Item-1 (Security, Uptime, Management, and Maintenance) & Item-4 (New Pages Development, Enhancements and Integrations)
A dedicated team at @hoomandigital , with @ChaiT and @0x_Buidler (me) serving as points of contact, will handle Agenda 1 and 4. These agendas require a blend of extensive skills, resources, time, and commitment. Key areas include the 5 phases of development in multiple sequential cycles:
Dev - Test - QA -UAT - Live : Each cycle comprises it’s own environment for TQM (Total QUality Management) per best practices of software development.
Furthermore, resources engaged in each cycle are not the same, neither is either cycle co-terminus. The program plan includes a 4 week contingency as well as standby resources to backfill any unforeseen gaps.
Dev and Test comprises the same team, QA and UAT are different team members / resources.
Our goal is to create a future-proof platform that meets the needs of the DAO, ensuring continuous iteration and improvement based on best practices. We cannot afford to leave any room for error.
While we may continue to decompose each area within the aforementioned, the summary above that’s gone one level lower should provide all the clarification.
2. Item-2 (Collaboration, Meetings & Meetings Report)
@ChaiT and @0x_Buidler (me) will lead Agenda 2, which involves hosting regular meetings and compiling comprehensive reports. These reports will cover:
3. Item-5 (Weekly DAO Sync Reports and 1 Extra Reports, 5 reports a month)
Angela has been contributing to the DAO for the past 5-6 months by creating weekly reports voluntarily. These reports, officially endorsed and utilized by the Arbitrum Foundation and the DAO, demonstrate significant value proposition and ongoing dedication/work.
While contributors’ times are well appreciated, this is not eternally gratis, and adequate compensation for helping develop accurate, timely, and complex reports is necessary to ensure continuity.
Examples of weekly DAO sync reports include:
4. Item-3 (Community Contribution Incentives)
Community incentives are crucial for encouraging active participation and enhancing ArbitrumDAO’s operations. We aim to motivate contributors by rewarding their efforts in:
We will ensure transparency in fund distribution, highlighting the impact of each contribution. Our primary objective is to foster greater community engagement and recognize the time, work, and energy invested by community members, ultimately bolstering the goodwill of the Arbitrum DAO.
Thank you.
Thanks, Nathan for your input on the proposal. We have already removed the advisor role and the related budget a long while ago...
I would like to reiterate. this is not a project that can be handled by a team of only three people. As part of the project, a dedicated group from hoomandigital has been assembled, including a lead designer, a developer, and UX, who will be responsible for item-1 and item-4.
Thanks, Nathan for your input on the proposal. We have already removed the advisor role and the related budget a long while ago...
I would like to reiterate. this is not a project that can be handled by a team of only three people. As part of the project, a dedicated group from hoomandigital has been assembled, including a lead designer, a developer, and UX, who will be responsible for item-1 and item-4.
Regarding the other tasks, I and @ChaiT will will take the lead. Additionally, @ocandocrypto oversees the weekly Dao Sync. Altogether, we make up a strong, cohesive group of seven to eight team members.
We are working on this initiative for past 6 months voluntarily and never came up from thin air to dao, asking for the relevant support that is necessary to continue doing things. Its not feasible to keep on operating voluntarily without proper support when we are leading so much big things exclusively for the dao.
If we had an intention of robbery, we would have never built such big thing exclusively for the dao that we invested 6 months in.
To clarify, I want to point out that the team will not receive the total allotment of the project's funds. The breakdown also includes provisions for the community's rewards and the creation of periodic Dao Sync reports.
I trust this conveys the information to alleviate any confusion you have and the conclusion you made to vote against the proposal..
Thank you
Some general thoughts on why to have arbitrumhub?
The foundation and community itself is using some components of Arbitrumhub and consider it as highly valuable resource, as also outlined in above comments.
Some general thoughts on why to have arbitrumhub?
The foundation and community itself is using some components of Arbitrumhub and consider it as highly valuable resource, as also outlined in above comments.
I also had a chat with the foundation a few months back, and they agreed to have something like this controlled by the community. The DAO and foundation are completely independent of each other and therefore DAO needs something of its own and we believe arbitrumhub has the capacity to fill this gap. Additionally, the foundation will never have the capacity to manage and report on the vast number of activities happening within the DAO.
As for the forum, it is primarily for DAO participants, and discussions often get lost over time amid general conversations. In contrast, ArbitrumHub is designed to report on all DAO activities and present information in an organized manner. In our proposal, we have also included a budget for weekly DAO sync reports, community contributions like educational articles and research, platform enhancement, management, and regular meetings with the community to tackle challenges such as awareness, access, and easy onboarding.
We have proposed this after six months of work and multiple thousands of hours invested voluntarily. This initiative is exclusive to the DAO, 100% open source, and transparent. No other DAO has something like this as of today. We assure you that with support, ArbitrumHub will become an integral part of the DAO.
Thank you.
Thank you, @ZER8, for your feedback. To address your concerns, please see our response below.
First, we have never claimed that this is just a two-member effort. We have clearly outlined that a dedicated team at @hoomandigital will handle item-1 and item-4. More details about each item are attached below.
Thank you, @ZER8, for your feedback. To address your concerns, please see our response below.
First, we have never claimed that this is just a two-member effort. We have clearly outlined that a dedicated team at @hoomandigital will handle item-1 and item-4. More details about each item are attached below.
Regarding the $6k/month for the weekly DAO sync report, we would like to emphasize that these reports require extensive research and effort to capture all events happening in a DAO each week. Each report is 2k to 3k words long and is quoted at $1.2k per report, with 5 reports produced every month, which aligns with industry standards. Additionally, these reports have been consistently created by Angela for the past 5-6 months without requesting any compensation, demonstrating their value and utilization in various official spaces, adding significant value to the DAO.
Lastly, this initiative goes beyond just ArbitrumHub and encompasses a range of significant initiative completely focused on arbitrum dao. For detailed information on each item, please see the following sections.
1. Item-1 (Security, Uptime, Management, and Maintenance) & Item-4 (New Pages Development, Enhancements and Integrations)
A dedicated team at @hoomandigital , with @ChaiT and @0x_Buidler (me) serving as points of contact, will handle Agenda 1 and 4. These agendas require a blend of extensive skills, resources, time, and commitment. Key areas include the 5 phases of development in multiple sequential cycles:
Dev - Test - QA -UAT - Live : Each cycle comprises it’s own environment for TQM (Total QUality Management) per best practices of software development.
Furthermore, resources engaged in each cycle are not the same, neither is either cycle co-terminus. The program plan includes a 4 week contingency as well as standby resources to backfill any unforeseen gaps.
Dev and Test comprises the same team, QA and UAT are different team members / resources.
Our goal is to create a future-proof platform that meets the needs of the DAO, ensuring continuous iteration and improvement based on best practices. We cannot afford to leave any room for error.
While we may continue to decompose each area within the aforementioned, the summary above that’s gone one level lower should provide all the clarification.
2. Item-2 (Collaboration, Meetings & Meetings Report)
@ChaiT and @0x_Buidler (me) will lead Agenda 2, which involves hosting regular meetings and compiling comprehensive reports. These reports will cover:
3. Item-5 (Weekly DAO Sync Reports and 1 Extra Reports, 5 reports a month)
Angela has been contributing to the DAO for the past 5-6 months by creating weekly reports voluntarily. These reports, officially endorsed and utilized by the Arbitrum Foundation and the DAO, demonstrate significant value proposition and ongoing dedication/work.
While contributors’ times are well appreciated, this is not eternally gratis, and adequate compensation for helping develop accurate, timely, and complex reports is necessary to ensure continuity.
Examples of weekly DAO sync reports include:
4. Item-3 (Community Contribution Incentives)
Community incentives are crucial for encouraging active participation and enhancing ArbitrumDAO’s operations. We aim to motivate contributors by rewarding their efforts in:
We will ensure transparency in fund distribution, highlighting the impact of each contribution. Our primary objective is to foster greater community engagement and recognize the time, work, and energy invested by community members, ultimately bolstering the goodwill of the Arbitrum DAO.
Thank you.
Thank you, @cp0x. The breakdown is already present in the form of a table in the original proposal. For greater transparency, we have updated the work details involved for each item in the proposal.
Thank you, @cp0x. The breakdown is already present in the form of a table in the original proposal. For greater transparency, we have updated the work details involved for each item in the proposal.
1. Item-1 (Security, Uptime, Management, and Maintenance) & Item-4 (New Pages Development, Enhancements and Integrations)
A dedicated team at @hoomandigital , with @ChaiT and @0x_Buidler (me) serving as points of contact, will handle Agenda 1 and 4. These agendas require a blend of extensive skills, resources, time, and commitment. Key areas include the 5 phases of development in multiple sequential cycles:
Dev - Test - QA -UAT - Live : Each cycle comprises it’s own environment for TQM (Total QUality Management) per best practices of software development.
Furthermore, resources engaged in each cycle are not the same, neither is either cycle co-terminus. The program plan includes a 4 week contingency as well as standby resources to backfill any unforeseen gaps.
Dev and Test comprises the same team, QA and UAT are different team members / resources.
Our goal is to create a future-proof platform that meets the needs of the DAO, ensuring continuous iteration and improvement based on best practices. We cannot afford to leave any room for error.
While we may continue to decompose each area within the aforementioned, the summary above that’s gone one level lower should provide all the clarification.
2. Item-2 (Collaboration, Meetings & Meetings Report)
@ChaiT and @0x_Buidler (me) will lead Agenda 2, which involves hosting regular meetings and compiling comprehensive reports. These reports will cover:
3. Item-5 (Weekly DAO Sync Reports and 1 Extra Reports, 5 reports a month)
Angela has been contributing to the DAO for the past 5-6 months by creating weekly reports voluntarily. These reports, officially endorsed and utilized by the Arbitrum Foundation and the DAO, demonstrate significant value proposition and ongoing dedication/work.
While contributors’ times are well appreciated, this is not eternally gratis, and adequate compensation for helping develop accurate, timely, and complex reports is necessary to ensure continuity.
Examples of weekly DAO sync reports include:
4. Item-3 (Community Contribution Incentives)
Community incentives are crucial for encouraging active participation and enhancing ArbitrumDAO’s operations. We aim to motivate contributors by rewarding their efforts in:
We will ensure transparency in fund distribution, highlighting the impact of each contribution. Our primary objective is to foster greater community engagement and recognize the time, work, and energy invested by community members, ultimately bolstering the goodwill of the Arbitrum DAO.
Regarding the three-year term, we initially did not want to propose something too extensive at once. We have proposed a six-month term to establish a solid foundation for ArbitrumHub and ensure its usefulness, which will then be followed by longer terms. We have been working on this initiative for over six months and understand the amount and type of work required to achieve our goals.
Lastly, we have reconsidered the budget where necessary already, and the current budget reflects the resources, time, and commitment required, as well as the value proposition it offers to the DAO as a whole.
Thank you.
During the LTIP prep I put together a basic version of this as an idea to support the program: Notion – The all-in-one workspace for your notes, tasks, wikis, and databases.
Thank you, @cp0x, for your input. To address your doubts and concerns, here is our detailed response:
Thank you, @cp0x, for your input. To address your doubts and concerns, here is our detailed response:
We are working on the ArbitrumHub platform, a sophisticated integration of resources, skills, and technologies. Over the past few months, we have voluntarily contributed to ArbitrumDAO by building, maintaining, expanding, and collaborating with multiple leads within the DAO to enhance its usefulness. Comparing it with a simple website work is an understatement; it is a comprehensive application developed exclusively for ArbitrumDAO.
The proposed budget is for next six months and an overview is defined below:
1. Agenda-1 & Agenda-4
A dedicated team at @hoomandigital, with @ChaiT and @0x_Buidler (me) serving as points of contact, will handle Agenda 1 and 4. These agendas require a blend of extensive skills, resources, time, and commitment. Key areas include the 5 phases of development in multiple sequential cycles:
Dev - Test - QA -UAT - Live : Each cycle comprises it’s own environment for TQM (Total QUality Management) per best practices of software development.
Furthermore, resources engaged in each cycle are not the same, neither is either cycle co-terminus. The program plan includes a 4 week contingency as well as standby resources to backfill any unforeseen gaps.
Dev and Test comprises the same team, QA and UAT are different team members / resources.
Our goal is to create a future-proof platform that meets the needs of the DAO, ensuring continuous iteration and improvement based on best practices. We cannot afford to leave any room for error.
While we may continue to decompose each area within the aforementioned, the summary above that’s gone one level lower should provide all the clarification.
2. Agenda 2
@ChaiT and @0x_Buidler (me) will lead Agenda 2, which involves hosting regular meetings and compiling comprehensive reports. These reports will cover:
3. Angela’s Contributions (Agenda-5)
Angela has been contributing to the DAO for the past 5-6 months by creating weekly reports voluntarily. These reports, officially endorsed and utilized by the Arbitrum Foundation and the DAO, demonstrate significant value proposition and ongoing dedication/work.
While contributors' times are well appreciated, this is not eternally gratis, and adequate compensation for helping develop accurate, timely, and complex reports is necessary to ensure continuity.
4. Community Incentives
Community incentives are crucial for encouraging active participation and enhancing ArbitrumDAO’s operations. We aim to motivate contributors by rewarding their efforts in:
We will ensure transparency in fund distribution, highlighting the impact of each contribution. Our primary objective is to foster greater community engagement and recognize the time, work, and energy invested by community members, ultimately bolstering the goodwill of the Arbitrum DAO.
Comparing ArbitrumHub to a basic website or standard job isn't feasible. Operating within a DAO introduces unique challenges that demand significant resources, time, and commitment.
Both ArbitrumHub and the weekly DAO sync reports have consistently received endorsements and active usage from Arbitrum, key DAO figures & community, highlighting their value proposition to the DAO. Considering these factors, we find our proposed budget to be reasonable.
I hope this clarifies our position and highlights the extensive work involved with arbitrumhub and the overall initiative.
Thank you
Thank you, @cp0x. We removed the advisor element since its role is effectively being fulfilled through surveys, meetings, community events, and incentivized contributions as also being pointed out by james. Additionally, we have reduced the number of DAO sync reports from 6 per month to 5 per month, resulting in an overall cost reduction of $55.2k.
Thank you.
During the LTIP prep I put together a basic version of this as an idea to support the program: Notion – The all-in-one workspace for your notes, tasks, wikis, and databases.
If the team requires additional resource to help with the project I’d be delighted to get involved.
This is great, @Ken_x3! I really liked the flow you've created. If our proposal passes, there will be ample opportunities for community members to contribute to ArbitrumHub and get rewarded. The main agenda is quite straightforward: to streamline access to information and enhance DAO operations.
Thank you!
Thank you, @swmartin, for your positive feedback, support, and suggestions.
We agree that adding data points with dashboards can be a great addition to ArbitrumHub, and this is something we are already planning to implement.
Thank you, @swmartin, for your positive feedback, support, and suggestions.
We agree that adding data points with dashboards can be a great addition to ArbitrumHub, and this is something we are already planning to implement.
We have some integrations and custom plans in place for handling such data. Although we cannot 100% guarantee integration with Dune at this point, we will definitely find a way to make it work.
Regarding integrations, we are in discussions with TogetherCrew to integrate a community dashboard, and with the Regen Finance team to integrate budget reports that will be released monthly. Additionally, we will be creating custom dashboards related to multisigs and more. The list is limitless, and we will make sure to address the major needs of the DAO, making ArbitrumHub an important addition to the DAO.
The good thing about ArbitrumHub is that it is 100% open-source, allowing anyone to contribute or build on the foundation we have set.
Thank you.
Thank you, @cp0x, @Tane, and @jameskbh, for your constructive feedback.
Responses to Individual Comments and Questions:
@AlaniKuye: Thank you for your response. We appreciate your engagement and support for the project.
Thank you, @cp0x, @Tane, and @jameskbh, for your constructive feedback.
Responses to Individual Comments and Questions:
@AlaniKuye: Thank you for your response. We appreciate your engagement and support for the project.
Community Feedback Summary: The community strongly supports this project and is eager to see it progress to the next steps. As highlighted by @cp0x, "I want to support your project; it is very necessary, and I use it myself, but I would like more transparency." Additionally, @Tane noted that "the deliverables are great additions to the Arbitrum DAO governance accessibility," and @jameskbh expressed, "Thanks for your proposal! I believe that we need a hub for all ARB-related information, and you guys are building something interesting."
However, you mentioned two significant points as part of your feedback:
Platform Utility: The platform is useful and is already being utilized by many community members. It is a valuable addition to the Arbitrum DAO platform. With continuous updates and engagement, it will serve as the first point of contact for both new and existing Arbitrum users.
Cost Concerns: The major concern highlighted by the community members revolves around cost. Specifically:
Addressing each question in detail:
"In accordance with the fact that the outcome criteria are unclear, the cost of this work is also unclear"
We will measure results both qualitatively and quantitatively, ensuring clarity on the impact of the ArbitrumHub proposal if approved. Here are the metrics we'll use:
Budget Clarification: The budget reflects the scale of work required to maintain and enhance/expand the ArbitrumHub platform as per the DAO's needs and the value proposition to the DAO itself. It covers a range of expenses, including infrastructure costs, team salaries, and operational expenses. By carefully managing the budget, we aim to minimize the need for continuous follow-on funding, ensuring the sustainability of the project in the long term.
What's the difference between the first item and the fourth item?
Managing and maintaining the platform includes handling current infrastructure tasks such as monitoring, addressing community concerns, updating codes, designs, UX, responding to GitHub PRs, maintaining the CMS, and conducting bug fixes. Enhancements and new pages involve a more extensive process, including research, competition analysis, designing UI/UX, integrating them into the platform, and undergoing feedback loops. Maintenance is more development-focused, whereas adding new pages leans towards research in UI/UX.
Why do you need "Community Contribution Incentives" and how do you plan to distribute them?
We require community contribution incentives to boost engagement and contributions within the ArbitrumDAO community. We acknowledge the active participation of the Arbitrum community and aim to motivate those who consistently contribute to the community's growth. These contributions may involve idea sharing to enhance hub operations, creating educational resources, and launching bounties for community involvement in specific topics. The allocated funds will be distributed among community members, with transparent details provided regarding recipients and the impact of their contributions. Our primary objective is to enhance the decentralized functioning of the Arbitrum DAO, foster greater community engagement, and encourage contributions from the decentralized community. Incentivizing these efforts acknowledges the time, work, and energy invested by community members, ultimately bolstering the goodwill of the Arbitrum DAO.
The second item literally mentioned "Reports," but separate reports have their dedicated budget, which doesn't make sense.
Thank you for your inquiry. The initial reports pertain to the meetings we conduct with the community, encompassing discussions, ideas exchanged during these sessions, and subsequent actions taken. Additionally, these reports include outcomes from our one-on-one meetings with stakeholders to gather pertinent information about ongoing initiatives, as well as reports detailing the features we implement and action items undertaken based on community feedback. The first reports also include grant efficacy reports for hub participants. For example, programs that received grants and the ability to measure success relative to verticals and project types. For example, DeFi projects vs. DePIN vs. Content vs. IBS related projects to see which areas directly or indirectly impact the ARB ecosystem.
The secondary reports are overseen by Angela and consist of up to five monthly reports. Among these, four are weekly DAO sync reports that have already received official endorsement from the foundation, a contribution Angela voluntarily undertakes. The remaining report serves as a complimentary addition, its content determined by the current state of the DAO and prevailing topics of significance.
Examples of weekly DAO sync reports include:
What would Advisors do and why does each advisor deserve $2k?
We agree with your point. Given that the proposal already has a strong focus on community, we will conduct community surveys to gather feedback as a source of truth. Our initial motive for including advisors was to establish a direct feedback loop and obtain guidance. However, we believe this function can be effectively fulfilled by the community itself. Therefore, we are removing this element from the proposal.
Also, we believe the sustainability of the tool shouldn’t only come from the DAO. Is the plan going to keep asking the budgets from the DAO to maintain the dashboard forever? How should the DAO evaluate the outcome from maintaining the dashboard?
While building ArbitrumHub and communicating with multiple stakeholders, it became clear that the foundation and DAO are completely independent of each other. Although Arbitrum DAO is only a year old, it is already leading multi-million dollar initiatives, with some initiatives ranging in the hundreds of millions. As the DAO progresses and its initiatives grow larger, finding relevant details about these initiatives will become more challenging.
ArbitrumHub will play an important role in ensuring that ArbitrumDAO information is represented exclusively and organized in a manner accessible to everyone, not just DAO participants. While the DAO has its forum, it serves as a general platform where discussions can easily get lost over time.
ArbitrumHub is not only creating an essential addition to the DAO but also providing access to a talented team required to build, maintain, and continuously develop such a useful platform.
This is a vital part of DAO operations and an important addition to ArbitrumDAO, with a 100% focus on the DAO. Therefore, we believe we deserve the right to ask for funding support for the countless hours of research, skills, and contributions we are providing to ArbitrumDAO. If the DAO has funding for large initiatives, it should also allocate funds to support activities that elevate the DAO to the next level.
Regarding @jameskbh’s question on collaboration, meetings, leads, and community contributions:
Details about these are explained above. Regarding your concern related to overlap with ARDC, we want to point out that we are nowhere near what ARDC is doing. The research mentioned here will be more focused on community discussions during the meet on how we can improve ArbitrumHub or make the DAO more accessible to everyone. Lastly, we have considered your feedback on the advisor part. Thank you.
Conclusion:
After carefully considering all the feedback, we have made changes and removed some elements from the proposal, resulting in a reduced budget compared to what was originally proposed. Please note that reducing the budget will not decrease the scope of taking ArbitrumHub to the next steps. We also agree with the community's concerns. Therefore, we have revised the budget and removed some of the action items that were overlapping. We hope to continue serving ArbitrumDAO and look forward to the relevant support from the community.
Thank you, @AlaniKuye, @cp0x, @tane, and @jameskbh, for the constructive feedback, support, and raising concerns.
We will post our response within the next 24 hours, addressing all doubts, work, budget concerns, etc. We will ensure that we carefully consider all the feedback and address it properly.
Thank you.
During the LTIP prep I put together a basic version of this as an idea to support the program: Notion – The all-in-one workspace for your notes, tasks, wikis, and databases.
If the team requires additional resource to help with the project I’d be delighted to get involved.
This is great, @Ken_x3! I really liked the flow you've created. If our proposal passes, there will be ample opportunities for community members to contribute to ArbitrumHub and get rewarded. The main agenda is quite straightforward: to streamline access to information and enhance DAO operations.
Thank you!
Thank you, @swmartin, for your positive feedback, support, and suggestions.
We agree that adding data points with dashboards can be a great addition to ArbitrumHub, and this is something we are already planning to implement.
Thank you, @swmartin, for your positive feedback, support, and suggestions.
We agree that adding data points with dashboards can be a great addition to ArbitrumHub, and this is something we are already planning to implement.
We have some integrations and custom plans in place for handling such data. Although we cannot 100% guarantee integration with Dune at this point, we will definitely find a way to make it work.
Regarding integrations, we are in discussions with TogetherCrew to integrate a community dashboard, and with the Regen Finance team to integrate budget reports that will be released monthly. Additionally, we will be creating custom dashboards related to multisigs and more. The list is limitless, and we will make sure to address the major needs of the DAO, making ArbitrumHub an important addition to the DAO.
The good thing about ArbitrumHub is that it is 100% open-source, allowing anyone to contribute or build on the foundation we have set.
Thank you.
Thank you, @cp0x, @Tane, and @jameskbh, for your constructive feedback.
Responses to Individual Comments and Questions:
@AlaniKuye: Thank you for your response. We appreciate your engagement and support for the project.
Thank you, @cp0x, @Tane, and @jameskbh, for your constructive feedback.
Responses to Individual Comments and Questions:
@AlaniKuye: Thank you for your response. We appreciate your engagement and support for the project.
Community Feedback Summary: The community strongly supports this project and is eager to see it progress to the next steps. As highlighted by @cp0x, "I want to support your project; it is very necessary, and I use it myself, but I would like more transparency." Additionally, @Tane noted that "the deliverables are great additions to the Arbitrum DAO governance accessibility," and @jameskbh expressed, "Thanks for your proposal! I believe that we need a hub for all ARB-related information, and you guys are building something interesting."
However, you mentioned two significant points as part of your feedback:
Platform Utility: The platform is useful and is already being utilized by many community members. It is a valuable addition to the Arbitrum DAO platform. With continuous updates and engagement, it will serve as the first point of contact for both new and existing Arbitrum users.
Cost Concerns: The major concern highlighted by the community members revolves around cost. Specifically:
Addressing each question in detail:
"In accordance with the fact that the outcome criteria are unclear, the cost of this work is also unclear"
We will measure results both qualitatively and quantitatively, ensuring clarity on the impact of the ArbitrumHub proposal if approved. Here are the metrics we'll use:
Budget Clarification: The budget reflects the scale of work required to maintain and enhance/expand the ArbitrumHub platform as per the DAO's needs and the value proposition to the DAO itself. It covers a range of expenses, including infrastructure costs, team salaries, and operational expenses. By carefully managing the budget, we aim to minimize the need for continuous follow-on funding, ensuring the sustainability of the project in the long term.
What's the difference between the first item and the fourth item?
Managing and maintaining the platform includes handling current infrastructure tasks such as monitoring, addressing community concerns, updating codes, designs, UX, responding to GitHub PRs, maintaining the CMS, and conducting bug fixes. Enhancements and new pages involve a more extensive process, including research, competition analysis, designing UI/UX, integrating them into the platform, and undergoing feedback loops. Maintenance is more development-focused, whereas adding new pages leans towards research in UI/UX.
Why do you need "Community Contribution Incentives" and how do you plan to distribute them?
We require community contribution incentives to boost engagement and contributions within the ArbitrumDAO community. We acknowledge the active participation of the Arbitrum community and aim to motivate those who consistently contribute to the community's growth. These contributions may involve idea sharing to enhance hub operations, creating educational resources, and launching bounties for community involvement in specific topics. The allocated funds will be distributed among community members, with transparent details provided regarding recipients and the impact of their contributions. Our primary objective is to enhance the decentralized functioning of the Arbitrum DAO, foster greater community engagement, and encourage contributions from the decentralized community. Incentivizing these efforts acknowledges the time, work, and energy invested by community members, ultimately bolstering the goodwill of the Arbitrum DAO.
The second item literally mentioned "Reports," but separate reports have their dedicated budget, which doesn't make sense.
Thank you for your inquiry. The initial reports pertain to the meetings we conduct with the community, encompassing discussions, ideas exchanged during these sessions, and subsequent actions taken. Additionally, these reports include outcomes from our one-on-one meetings with stakeholders to gather pertinent information about ongoing initiatives, as well as reports detailing the features we implement and action items undertaken based on community feedback. The first reports also include grant efficacy reports for hub participants. For example, programs that received grants and the ability to measure success relative to verticals and project types. For example, DeFi projects vs. DePIN vs. Content vs. IBS related projects to see which areas directly or indirectly impact the ARB ecosystem.
The secondary reports are overseen by Angela and consist of up to five monthly reports. Among these, four are weekly DAO sync reports that have already received official endorsement from the foundation, a contribution Angela voluntarily undertakes. The remaining report serves as a complimentary addition, its content determined by the current state of the DAO and prevailing topics of significance.
Examples of weekly DAO sync reports include:
What would Advisors do and why does each advisor deserve $2k?
We agree with your point. Given that the proposal already has a strong focus on community, we will conduct community surveys to gather feedback as a source of truth. Our initial motive for including advisors was to establish a direct feedback loop and obtain guidance. However, we believe this function can be effectively fulfilled by the community itself. Therefore, we are removing this element from the proposal.
Also, we believe the sustainability of the tool shouldn’t only come from the DAO. Is the plan going to keep asking the budgets from the DAO to maintain the dashboard forever? How should the DAO evaluate the outcome from maintaining the dashboard?
While building ArbitrumHub and communicating with multiple stakeholders, it became clear that the foundation and DAO are completely independent of each other. Although Arbitrum DAO is only a year old, it is already leading multi-million dollar initiatives, with some initiatives ranging in the hundreds of millions. As the DAO progresses and its initiatives grow larger, finding relevant details about these initiatives will become more challenging.
ArbitrumHub will play an important role in ensuring that ArbitrumDAO information is represented exclusively and organized in a manner accessible to everyone, not just DAO participants. While the DAO has its forum, it serves as a general platform where discussions can easily get lost over time.
ArbitrumHub is not only creating an essential addition to the DAO but also providing access to a talented team required to build, maintain, and continuously develop such a useful platform.
This is a vital part of DAO operations and an important addition to ArbitrumDAO, with a 100% focus on the DAO. Therefore, we believe we deserve the right to ask for funding support for the countless hours of research, skills, and contributions we are providing to ArbitrumDAO. If the DAO has funding for large initiatives, it should also allocate funds to support activities that elevate the DAO to the next level.
Regarding @jameskbh’s question on collaboration, meetings, leads, and community contributions:
Details about these are explained above. Regarding your concern related to overlap with ARDC, we want to point out that we are nowhere near what ARDC is doing. The research mentioned here will be more focused on community discussions during the meet on how we can improve ArbitrumHub or make the DAO more accessible to everyone. Lastly, we have considered your feedback on the advisor part. Thank you.
Conclusion:
After carefully considering all the feedback, we have made changes and removed some elements from the proposal, resulting in a reduced budget compared to what was originally proposed. Please note that reducing the budget will not decrease the scope of taking ArbitrumHub to the next steps. We also agree with the community's concerns. Therefore, we have revised the budget and removed some of the action items that were overlapping. We hope to continue serving ArbitrumDAO and look forward to the relevant support from the community.
Thank you, @AlaniKuye, @cp0x, @tane, and @jameskbh, for the constructive feedback, support, and raising concerns.
We will post our response within the next 24 hours, addressing all doubts, work, budget concerns, etc. We will ensure that we carefully consider all the feedback and address it properly.
Thank you.
Savvy DAO voted FOR this proposal.
See our Feedback below.
While we support this proposal, improvements are needed to justify the $474,000 commitment over six months and address concerns about centralization, which could hinder transparency and accountability. To strengthen the proposal we suggest to:
Savvy DAO voted FOR this proposal.
See our Feedback below.
While we support this proposal, improvements are needed to justify the $474,000 commitment over six months and address concerns about centralization, which could hinder transparency and accountability. To strengthen the proposal we suggest to:
We voted FOR this proposal as we see it as a temperature check. We would expect a reduced budget to vote FOR on Tally.
See our Voting Rationale here: https://forum.arbitrum.foundation/t/savvy-dao-delegate-communication-thread/21266/54?u=savvydao
I'm joining others in voting against this proposal on Snapshot. The existing hub has a beautiful design and a lot of potential, but it's hard to see how this proposal concretely gets to that potential, and the budget ask is much too big for the stated scope.
The team has done a great job so far, and has demonstrated on the forum and elsewhere that they're aligned with and committed to the DAO. I hope this work gets reframed in a way that can works for everyone, and that the team takes up offer's like @krst's upthread to work with them to get to something more compelling.
I'm joining others in voting against this proposal on Snapshot. The existing hub has a beautiful design and a lot of potential, but it's hard to see how this proposal concretely gets to that potential, and the budget ask is much too big for the stated scope.
The team has done a great job so far, and has demonstrated on the forum and elsewhere that they're aligned with and committed to the DAO. I hope this work gets reframed in a way that can works for everyone, and that the team takes up offer's like @krst's upthread to work with them to get to something more compelling.
It would also be great to think about how this can proceed along two simultaneous tracks:
Arana Digital will be voting AGAINST this proposal on Snapshot.
Many delegates have echoed our reasons for our decision. The DAO seems to have reached a consensus that excessive spending will be highly scrutinized, as the collective has realized the unsustainable and reckless spending that was publicly highlighted by the Catalyze Gaming Eco proposal, which decided to hike payment just before the Onchian Tally vote (which we voted against as well). This has led to important initiatives with arguably high budgets being denied as we spend millions on ongoing incentive programs.
Arana Digital will be voting AGAINST this proposal on Snapshot.
Many delegates have echoed our reasons for our decision. The DAO seems to have reached a consensus that excessive spending will be highly scrutinized, as the collective has realized the unsustainable and reckless spending that was publicly highlighted by the Catalyze Gaming Eco proposal, which decided to hike payment just before the Onchian Tally vote (which we voted against as well). This has led to important initiatives with arguably high budgets being denied as we spend millions on ongoing incentive programs.
We want to thank @0x_Buidler and @AlaniKuye for their effort and communication, and we understand their frustrations with this outcome. The ArbitrumHub is an idea we strongly support. Having a resource that enables community members to cohesively access Arbitrum-related information and visualize the performance of the Arbitrum protocol, spending of the DAO, and consolidates initiatives would provide immense value. We are simply unable to support the proposal in its current state and look forward to working with @0x_Buidler and other driven community members to push through productive proposals in the future.
We vote AGAINST the proposal on Snapshot.
While we believe the concept and initial implementation of the hub is useful and good for the community, we don't agree with how the compensations are calculated per tasks rather than each member. We understand the works required to maintain the service from the experience that we have but as other delegates expresses, the cost presented isn't justified for the outcome we anticipate. Milestone based approaches would be better, but eventually it would come down to how much impact the initiative can make compared to other existing deliverables against the cost that DAO should pay. Some suggested this should go through a grant program, which should be an alternative path to take as well.
DAOplomats would be voting against this proposal.
ArbitrumHub is definitely a nice to have. However, we strongly resonate with the sentiment surrounding costs that several delegates raised.
DAOplomats would be voting against this proposal.
ArbitrumHub is definitely a nice to have. However, we strongly resonate with the sentiment surrounding costs that several delegates raised.
We would also love if some of the deliverables could be trimmed. For instance, promoting specific projects through a dedicated section (month 1), organizing regular meetings (month 2), sound a bit too excessive. It seems like the team is looking for ways to justify the proposed cost with these strategies.
gm, thanks for submitting the proposal.
I can see value in having a more unified way to digest information for the DAO - however I must echo other delegates that this looks too expensive at the moment.
EDIT: thanks for pointing me to the existing portal, this was an oversight from my side.
Voting against.
I voted “against”, while the website and the goals are interesting, I think that the costs are too high compared to the potential value of this. In my opinion we should focus on already existing platforms like Foundation website and others. As others have mentioned above, I also recommend to apply for grants if you want to rework on it. Best of luck!
After carefully reviewing the proposal and considering the feedback from other delegates, we have decided to vote against it at this time due to the following concerns:
After carefully reviewing the proposal and considering the feedback from other delegates, we have decided to vote against it at this time due to the following concerns:
Despite these concerns, we are open to further discussions and are willing to reconsider our voting if adjustments are made. We are eager to help refine the proposal to better align with our expectations and ensure its success.
I will be voting "Against". Website looks good, but not enough value to justify the cost of the project on the whole. Recommend what others have alluded to in terms of apply for grants.
This is an awesome project! I love the hub, I didn't know it existed before, well done. It is gorgeous
This is an awesome project! I love the hub, I didn't know it existed before, well done. It is gorgeous
I understand that the salaries are not for individuals but instead for teams that are led by individuals... And I think its funny that we will pay multisig signers $6k for 4 hours of work a month but we push back on on this cause it's too high of salaries for these teams... I do not agree with most people on this part, I think the price you are charging is in the realm of fair.
The problem is the impact of this website is not worth ~$1M a year.
I think the scope should be cut to be just the most high value items, then gain traction as a hub to make yourselves indispensable to the DAO's workings and then you can charge this.... But "If you build they will come" only works in the movies... It needs more traction.
I feel like this process does a lot to advertise your product, but it just took 10-120 minutes from 50+ delegates to review and comment on this proposal on why it's not worth the money and that's not cool... That is why grant programs exist.
The following reflects the views of L2BEAT’s governance team, composed of @krst and @Sinkas, and it’s based on the combined research, fact-checking, and ideation of the two.
We will be voting AGAINST the proposal in its current form.
The following reflects the views of L2BEAT’s governance team, composed of @krst and @Sinkas, and it’s based on the combined research, fact-checking, and ideation of the two.
We will be voting AGAINST the proposal in its current form.
While we strongly agree that a hub such as the one outlined can be a very useful tool for delegates and other contributors interested in what’s happening in the DAO, we have concerns regarding the approach that the proposal suggests.
As others have already pointed out, the overall costs are rather inflated. In addition, we find some of the items redundant in the sense that they might not necessarily provide additional value. There’s also no mention of KPIs through which we can evaluate whether or not the initiative was successful or not after its completion.
Our understanding of a hub like the one outlined is that it will continue to be maintained and updated in perpetuity for as long as the DAO exists and operates. With that in mind, we should have ways to understand whether it’s creating the impact we want it to while also having feedback loops in place to iterate and improve the things that might not work.
Overall, we want to see the proposal succeed, but there needs to be more discussion on how to make an Arbitrum Hub that is as useful as possible, what that would entail, and how much it would reasonably cost to set up and maintain.
We understand the current state of ArbitrumHub as a proof-of-concept both from a technological and organizational point of view. While it’s great that the team pushed it that far, it definitely needs improvement and gathering more community feedback before we decide to scale it further.
While the website seems very versatile and comprehensive, in practice many topics were covered quite superficially, there’s also a lot of data that is simply outdated. The section about grants, the developer hub, or community initiatives - almost every part of the website is just scratching the surface of the topic and does not even allow for a deeper dive.
To be clear, we are not blaming the team for this, as maintaining such a hub is a very challenging and resource-intensive task. But right now we just don't think that what the team is proposing - in terms of cost, structure, and process - addresses these issues and maximizes the chances of success.
As L2BEAT, we’ve been writing a weekly Governance Review for a few months now, so we know first-hand the amount of time and effort required to stay up to date with what is happening on the DAO. We also understand the challenge of aggregating all that information and presenting it in a digestible way.
To conclude, we commend and appreciate the efforts expended towards the proposal and the creation of arbitrumhub.io. We’d like to work with the proposers to improve the scope, cost, and structure of the proposal before attempting to go through the governance again to secure the funding needed.
We will be voting against. The general motivation for this proposal is good, as the idea of ArbitrumHub being a source of information, and official / community interaction would ideally offer transparency and ease of access to important info. However, our main critique comes from what many in the discussion have already reiterated, which is the hefty budget requested for a small team. After a more accurate budget AND a better way to measure the project’s success is determined we’d be interested in reviewing again.
Blockworks Research will be voting AGAINST this proposal on Snapshot.
While we believe that there is undeniably significant value for a consolidated Hub for all ecosystem and DAO activities, the budgetary expenditure seems extensive. Especially Items 2 and 3 feel high. For example, the budget allocates $17,000 per month for "Collaboration, Meetings & Meetings Report" to seemingly cover the salaries of two positions, which assumedly aren’t full-time as the dedicated persons would have additional commitments as well. Some of the proposed focus areas also seem to overlap with existing initiatives.
On behalf of the UADP, we generally think this vote was a bit too much to ask for. The budget for the ideas around a hub being half a million dollars is way too much. This point has been expressed a lot, and we resonate in those comments.
However, we are in favor of reworking this proposal and can possibly be in favor in the future. Some things we want are a complete re-working of the budgets but are really interested in seeing the sit live in some manner in the future!
Savvy DAO voted FOR this proposal.
See our Feedback below.
While we support this proposal, improvements are needed to justify the $474,000 commitment over six months and address concerns about centralization, which could hinder transparency and accountability. To strengthen the proposal we suggest to:
Savvy DAO voted FOR this proposal.
See our Feedback below.
While we support this proposal, improvements are needed to justify the $474,000 commitment over six months and address concerns about centralization, which could hinder transparency and accountability. To strengthen the proposal we suggest to:
We voted FOR this proposal as we see it as a temperature check. We would expect a reduced budget to vote FOR on Tally.
See our Voting Rationale here: https://forum.arbitrum.foundation/t/savvy-dao-delegate-communication-thread/21266/54?u=savvydao
I'm joining others in voting against this proposal on Snapshot. The existing hub has a beautiful design and a lot of potential, but it's hard to see how this proposal concretely gets to that potential, and the budget ask is much too big for the stated scope.
The team has done a great job so far, and has demonstrated on the forum and elsewhere that they're aligned with and committed to the DAO. I hope this work gets reframed in a way that can works for everyone, and that the team takes up offer's like @krst's upthread to work with them to get to something more compelling.
I'm joining others in voting against this proposal on Snapshot. The existing hub has a beautiful design and a lot of potential, but it's hard to see how this proposal concretely gets to that potential, and the budget ask is much too big for the stated scope.
The team has done a great job so far, and has demonstrated on the forum and elsewhere that they're aligned with and committed to the DAO. I hope this work gets reframed in a way that can works for everyone, and that the team takes up offer's like @krst's upthread to work with them to get to something more compelling.
It would also be great to think about how this can proceed along two simultaneous tracks:
Arana Digital will be voting AGAINST this proposal on Snapshot.
Many delegates have echoed our reasons for our decision. The DAO seems to have reached a consensus that excessive spending will be highly scrutinized, as the collective has realized the unsustainable and reckless spending that was publicly highlighted by the Catalyze Gaming Eco proposal, which decided to hike payment just before the Onchian Tally vote (which we voted against as well). This has led to important initiatives with arguably high budgets being denied as we spend millions on ongoing incentive programs.
Arana Digital will be voting AGAINST this proposal on Snapshot.
Many delegates have echoed our reasons for our decision. The DAO seems to have reached a consensus that excessive spending will be highly scrutinized, as the collective has realized the unsustainable and reckless spending that was publicly highlighted by the Catalyze Gaming Eco proposal, which decided to hike payment just before the Onchian Tally vote (which we voted against as well). This has led to important initiatives with arguably high budgets being denied as we spend millions on ongoing incentive programs.
We want to thank @0x_Buidler and @AlaniKuye for their effort and communication, and we understand their frustrations with this outcome. The ArbitrumHub is an idea we strongly support. Having a resource that enables community members to cohesively access Arbitrum-related information and visualize the performance of the Arbitrum protocol, spending of the DAO, and consolidates initiatives would provide immense value. We are simply unable to support the proposal in its current state and look forward to working with @0x_Buidler and other driven community members to push through productive proposals in the future.
We vote AGAINST the proposal on Snapshot.
While we believe the concept and initial implementation of the hub is useful and good for the community, we don't agree with how the compensations are calculated per tasks rather than each member. We understand the works required to maintain the service from the experience that we have but as other delegates expresses, the cost presented isn't justified for the outcome we anticipate. Milestone based approaches would be better, but eventually it would come down to how much impact the initiative can make compared to other existing deliverables against the cost that DAO should pay. Some suggested this should go through a grant program, which should be an alternative path to take as well.
DAOplomats would be voting against this proposal.
ArbitrumHub is definitely a nice to have. However, we strongly resonate with the sentiment surrounding costs that several delegates raised.
DAOplomats would be voting against this proposal.
ArbitrumHub is definitely a nice to have. However, we strongly resonate with the sentiment surrounding costs that several delegates raised.
We would also love if some of the deliverables could be trimmed. For instance, promoting specific projects through a dedicated section (month 1), organizing regular meetings (month 2), sound a bit too excessive. It seems like the team is looking for ways to justify the proposed cost with these strategies.
gm, thanks for submitting the proposal.
I can see value in having a more unified way to digest information for the DAO - however I must echo other delegates that this looks too expensive at the moment.
EDIT: thanks for pointing me to the existing portal, this was an oversight from my side.
Voting against.
I voted “against”, while the website and the goals are interesting, I think that the costs are too high compared to the potential value of this. In my opinion we should focus on already existing platforms like Foundation website and others. As others have mentioned above, I also recommend to apply for grants if you want to rework on it. Best of luck!
After carefully reviewing the proposal and considering the feedback from other delegates, we have decided to vote against it at this time due to the following concerns:
After carefully reviewing the proposal and considering the feedback from other delegates, we have decided to vote against it at this time due to the following concerns:
Despite these concerns, we are open to further discussions and are willing to reconsider our voting if adjustments are made. We are eager to help refine the proposal to better align with our expectations and ensure its success.
I will be voting "Against". Website looks good, but not enough value to justify the cost of the project on the whole. Recommend what others have alluded to in terms of apply for grants.
This is an awesome project! I love the hub, I didn't know it existed before, well done. It is gorgeous
This is an awesome project! I love the hub, I didn't know it existed before, well done. It is gorgeous
I understand that the salaries are not for individuals but instead for teams that are led by individuals... And I think its funny that we will pay multisig signers $6k for 4 hours of work a month but we push back on on this cause it's too high of salaries for these teams... I do not agree with most people on this part, I think the price you are charging is in the realm of fair.
The problem is the impact of this website is not worth ~$1M a year.
I think the scope should be cut to be just the most high value items, then gain traction as a hub to make yourselves indispensable to the DAO's workings and then you can charge this.... But "If you build they will come" only works in the movies... It needs more traction.
I feel like this process does a lot to advertise your product, but it just took 10-120 minutes from 50+ delegates to review and comment on this proposal on why it's not worth the money and that's not cool... That is why grant programs exist.
The following reflects the views of L2BEAT’s governance team, composed of @krst and @Sinkas, and it’s based on the combined research, fact-checking, and ideation of the two.
We will be voting AGAINST the proposal in its current form.
The following reflects the views of L2BEAT’s governance team, composed of @krst and @Sinkas, and it’s based on the combined research, fact-checking, and ideation of the two.
We will be voting AGAINST the proposal in its current form.
While we strongly agree that a hub such as the one outlined can be a very useful tool for delegates and other contributors interested in what’s happening in the DAO, we have concerns regarding the approach that the proposal suggests.
As others have already pointed out, the overall costs are rather inflated. In addition, we find some of the items redundant in the sense that they might not necessarily provide additional value. There’s also no mention of KPIs through which we can evaluate whether or not the initiative was successful or not after its completion.
Our understanding of a hub like the one outlined is that it will continue to be maintained and updated in perpetuity for as long as the DAO exists and operates. With that in mind, we should have ways to understand whether it’s creating the impact we want it to while also having feedback loops in place to iterate and improve the things that might not work.
Overall, we want to see the proposal succeed, but there needs to be more discussion on how to make an Arbitrum Hub that is as useful as possible, what that would entail, and how much it would reasonably cost to set up and maintain.
We understand the current state of ArbitrumHub as a proof-of-concept both from a technological and organizational point of view. While it’s great that the team pushed it that far, it definitely needs improvement and gathering more community feedback before we decide to scale it further.
While the website seems very versatile and comprehensive, in practice many topics were covered quite superficially, there’s also a lot of data that is simply outdated. The section about grants, the developer hub, or community initiatives - almost every part of the website is just scratching the surface of the topic and does not even allow for a deeper dive.
To be clear, we are not blaming the team for this, as maintaining such a hub is a very challenging and resource-intensive task. But right now we just don't think that what the team is proposing - in terms of cost, structure, and process - addresses these issues and maximizes the chances of success.
As L2BEAT, we’ve been writing a weekly Governance Review for a few months now, so we know first-hand the amount of time and effort required to stay up to date with what is happening on the DAO. We also understand the challenge of aggregating all that information and presenting it in a digestible way.
To conclude, we commend and appreciate the efforts expended towards the proposal and the creation of arbitrumhub.io. We’d like to work with the proposers to improve the scope, cost, and structure of the proposal before attempting to go through the governance again to secure the funding needed.
We will be voting against. The general motivation for this proposal is good, as the idea of ArbitrumHub being a source of information, and official / community interaction would ideally offer transparency and ease of access to important info. However, our main critique comes from what many in the discussion have already reiterated, which is the hefty budget requested for a small team. After a more accurate budget AND a better way to measure the project’s success is determined we’d be interested in reviewing again.
Blockworks Research will be voting AGAINST this proposal on Snapshot.
While we believe that there is undeniably significant value for a consolidated Hub for all ecosystem and DAO activities, the budgetary expenditure seems extensive. Especially Items 2 and 3 feel high. For example, the budget allocates $17,000 per month for "Collaboration, Meetings & Meetings Report" to seemingly cover the salaries of two positions, which assumedly aren’t full-time as the dedicated persons would have additional commitments as well. Some of the proposed focus areas also seem to overlap with existing initiatives.
On behalf of the UADP, we generally think this vote was a bit too much to ask for. The budget for the ideas around a hub being half a million dollars is way too much. This point has been expressed a lot, and we resonate in those comments.
However, we are in favor of reworking this proposal and can possibly be in favor in the future. Some things we want are a complete re-working of the budgets but are really interested in seeing the sit live in some manner in the future!
Blockworks Research will be voting AGAINST this proposal on Snapshot.
While we believe that there is undeniably significant value for a consolidated Hub for all ecosystem and DAO activities, the budgetary expenditure seems extensive. Especially Items 2 and 3 feel high. For example, the budget allocates $17,000 per month for "Collaboration, Meetings & Meetings Report" to seemingly cover the salaries of two positions, which assumedly aren’t full-time as the dedicated persons would have additional commitments as well. Some of the proposed focus areas also seem to overlap with existing initiatives.
We understand the importance of creating a consolidated place for governance and ecosystem initiatives, especially since Arbitrum-related information is split across the web. However, due to the high/unclear budgeting and an absent longer-term operational plan, we will be voting against this proposal.
We would recommend excluding Items 2 and 3 from the proposal, and more clearly indicating how many full-time employees and what roles are required for Items 1 & 4, as well as estimations of any other OpEx required now and in the long-term to maintain the Hub. Although this funding request is for six months, we believe it would be beneficial to include a long-term vision for the project and what the steady state expenses for the Hub might look like.
On behalf of the Arbitrum community members who delegated their voting power to us, we're voting AGAINST this proposal.
While ArbitrumHub's goals of improving information access are admirable, we have concerns about fragmenting attention and resources away from existing official channels. The significant budget request ($474,000) doesn't seem justified given potential overlap with the Foundation website, Arbitrum Twitter, and governance forum. We believe focusing on enhancing and better utilizing current platforms would be a more efficient use of funds and community attention at this time.
I voted AGAINST this proposal on Snapshot because I am somewhat skeptical of building out an alternative marketing/comms home base for the DAO outside of the existing platforms (Foundation website, Arbitrum Twitter, Gov forum). Attention is already fractured as it is.
I like the website but I'll be voting against because I feel the requested budget is too high and would like to see you guys go through the already existing grant programs.
I voted "against" i think the budget is excessive in every possible way. Its a great proposal but this should be done in phases with less budget and with results shown. Retroactive amounts would be much better.
I voted against the proposal. Whilst I believe we need a concept like this, the cost is just too high. If the proposal comes back in a different format/cost, I will be happy to reevaluate it. My 2 cents would be:
I would support the proposal for the ArbitrumHub Evolution. The proposal aims to streamline information access, raise awareness, and foster community engagement within the ArbitrumDAO ecosystem.
The key reasons for support include:
Have to vote against this one.
Arbitrum hub is an awesome site. The news from Angela, are super helpful. I just don't see the budget of these being almost half a million dollars for 6 months, sorry.
Have to vote against this one.
Arbitrum hub is an awesome site. The news from Angela, are super helpful. I just don't see the budget of these being almost half a million dollars for 6 months, sorry.
I don't specifically know the current rate about hosting, running certain services and so on; for what is worth, I think the price of the weekly news is kinda ok-ish, maybe a tad high (6k per month). Biggest problem is the hub management.
I think @0x_Buidler should not give up on this tho, the site is useful, the whole set of service is useful, just coming back to the dao with a better cost plan could do the trick.
We think there is significant value in something like this for the DAO. However, the budget spend seems incredibly excessive for a small team.
This sentiment has been expressed a lot so we won't harp too much on it. Instead, what budget ask would be appropriate such that we would be supportive of the structure? We think something along the lines of 20-30% of the current ask is more reasonable.
Seriously the price quoted here is robbery. I don't see why you'd need advisors here so if I'm understanding correctly this is about 3 people working full time for 6 months requesting half a million from the DAO? That's a no from me.
sorry didn't see that, I always feel that I'm 2 much on the defense when it comes to funding proposals, but maybe some transparency would help me*(and probly others) to understand how those costs are justified and who will be actually delivering on them :smiley:
I am a big fan or Arbitrum Hub and would love to see it succeed, but I have a question..how are these costs justified? Like if I add them up it give me 53k for two team members/month which I personally think it is 2 much and also 6k per month for reporting -which is also a little 2 much
I abstained from voting on this proposal.
Since I am somewhat involved in this proposal, I don't think it's appropriate for me to vote on it.
However, I am always open to feedback and committed to providing value to the DAO. I will keep delegates informed of updates and look for new ways to improve communication, regardless of the outcome.
Blockworks Research will be voting AGAINST this proposal on Snapshot.
While we believe that there is undeniably significant value for a consolidated Hub for all ecosystem and DAO activities, the budgetary expenditure seems extensive. Especially Items 2 and 3 feel high. For example, the budget allocates $17,000 per month for "Collaboration, Meetings & Meetings Report" to seemingly cover the salaries of two positions, which assumedly aren’t full-time as the dedicated persons would have additional commitments as well. Some of the proposed focus areas also seem to overlap with existing initiatives.
We understand the importance of creating a consolidated place for governance and ecosystem initiatives, especially since Arbitrum-related information is split across the web. However, due to the high/unclear budgeting and an absent longer-term operational plan, we will be voting against this proposal.
We would recommend excluding Items 2 and 3 from the proposal, and more clearly indicating how many full-time employees and what roles are required for Items 1 & 4, as well as estimations of any other OpEx required now and in the long-term to maintain the Hub. Although this funding request is for six months, we believe it would be beneficial to include a long-term vision for the project and what the steady state expenses for the Hub might look like.
On behalf of the Arbitrum community members who delegated their voting power to us, we're voting AGAINST this proposal.
While ArbitrumHub's goals of improving information access are admirable, we have concerns about fragmenting attention and resources away from existing official channels. The significant budget request ($474,000) doesn't seem justified given potential overlap with the Foundation website, Arbitrum Twitter, and governance forum. We believe focusing on enhancing and better utilizing current platforms would be a more efficient use of funds and community attention at this time.
I voted AGAINST this proposal on Snapshot because I am somewhat skeptical of building out an alternative marketing/comms home base for the DAO outside of the existing platforms (Foundation website, Arbitrum Twitter, Gov forum). Attention is already fractured as it is.
I like the website but I'll be voting against because I feel the requested budget is too high and would like to see you guys go through the already existing grant programs.
I voted "against" i think the budget is excessive in every possible way. Its a great proposal but this should be done in phases with less budget and with results shown. Retroactive amounts would be much better.
I voted against the proposal. Whilst I believe we need a concept like this, the cost is just too high. If the proposal comes back in a different format/cost, I will be happy to reevaluate it. My 2 cents would be:
I would support the proposal for the ArbitrumHub Evolution. The proposal aims to streamline information access, raise awareness, and foster community engagement within the ArbitrumDAO ecosystem.
The key reasons for support include:
Have to vote against this one.
Arbitrum hub is an awesome site. The news from Angela, are super helpful. I just don't see the budget of these being almost half a million dollars for 6 months, sorry.
Have to vote against this one.
Arbitrum hub is an awesome site. The news from Angela, are super helpful. I just don't see the budget of these being almost half a million dollars for 6 months, sorry.
I don't specifically know the current rate about hosting, running certain services and so on; for what is worth, I think the price of the weekly news is kinda ok-ish, maybe a tad high (6k per month). Biggest problem is the hub management.
I think @0x_Buidler should not give up on this tho, the site is useful, the whole set of service is useful, just coming back to the dao with a better cost plan could do the trick.
We think there is significant value in something like this for the DAO. However, the budget spend seems incredibly excessive for a small team.
This sentiment has been expressed a lot so we won't harp too much on it. Instead, what budget ask would be appropriate such that we would be supportive of the structure? We think something along the lines of 20-30% of the current ask is more reasonable.
Seriously the price quoted here is robbery. I don't see why you'd need advisors here so if I'm understanding correctly this is about 3 people working full time for 6 months requesting half a million from the DAO? That's a no from me.
sorry didn't see that, I always feel that I'm 2 much on the defense when it comes to funding proposals, but maybe some transparency would help me*(and probly others) to understand how those costs are justified and who will be actually delivering on them :smiley:
I am a big fan or Arbitrum Hub and would love to see it succeed, but I have a question..how are these costs justified? Like if I add them up it give me 53k for two team members/month which I personally think it is 2 much and also 6k per month for reporting -which is also a little 2 much
I abstained from voting on this proposal.
Since I am somewhat involved in this proposal, I don't think it's appropriate for me to vote on it.
However, I am always open to feedback and committed to providing value to the DAO. I will keep delegates informed of updates and look for new ways to improve communication, regardless of the outcome.
sorry didn't see that, I always feel that I'm 2 much on the defense when it comes to funding proposals, but maybe some transparency would help me*(and probly others) to understand how those costs are justified and who will be actually delivering on them :smiley:
Regarding the $6k/month for the weekly DAO sync report, we would like to emphasize that these reports require extensive research and effort to capture all events happening in a DAO each week. Each report is 2k to 3k words long and is quoted at $1.2k per report, with 5 reports produced every month, which aligns with industry standards. Additionally, these reports have been consistently created by Angela for the past 5-6 months without requesting any compensation, demonstrating their value and utilization in various official spaces, adding significant value to the DAO.
100% agree that Angela should be compensated for her efforts! :pray:
I personally love the hub and think it's the future for Arbitrum DAO, but there's always a but when funding new proposals...something that I would love to see in Arbitrum DAO is splitting new proposals into milestones(1, 2, 3) and the funding requests split out between them. Agreed that it can add 2 much friction, but it can also save $ and ensure alignment.
GL :four_leaf_clover:
I am a big fan or Arbitrum Hub and would love to see it succeed, but I have a question..how are these costs justified? Like if I add them up it give me 53k for two team members/month which I personally think it is 2 much and also 6k per month for reporting -which is also a little 2 much
| Details | Per Month | Six Months |
|---|---|---|
| Item-1: Security, Uptime, Management, and Maintenance (@hoomandigital , with @0x_Buidler and @ChaiT as POC) | $18,000 | $108,000 |
| Item-2: Collaboration, Meetings & Meetings Report, , and Lead (@ChaiT and @0x_Buidler ) as Hosts and collaborators | $17,000 | $102,000 |
| Item-3: Community Contribution Incentives (Community) | $20,000 | $120,000 |
| Item-4: New Pages Development and Enhancements (@hoomandigital , with @0x_Buidler and @ChaiT as Points of Contact) | $18,000 | $108,000 |
| Item-5: Weekly DAO Sync Reports and 1 Extra Reports (@ocandocrypto ) | $6,000 | $36,000 |
| Total | $79,000 | $474,000 |
I abstained from voting on this proposal.
Since I am somewhat involved in this proposal, I don't think it's appropriate for me to vote on it.
However, I am always open to feedback and committed to providing value to the DAO. I will keep delegates informed of updates and look for new ways to improve communication, regardless of the outcome.
I will also pay attention to comments and any concerns and will collaborate as much as possible.
Thank you for the proposal @0x_Buidler
I agree with the sentiment shared by other delegates that the suggested budget for this work seems a bit excessive. Can you please share some links from other DAOs where such budgets have been allocated for this type of work either for you or other service providers?
While the first iteration of this project can have a centralised approach to make this efficient, this can be a threat in the future, where the admins essentially have a monopoly over 'what is true'. It would be great to see an outline of how the larger DAO or other delegates can join the operations and decision making process going forward
Thanks for the detailed description, but unfortunately I never saw the detailed budget.
I see the right goals and good prospects, but for such a budget amount, I believe that the development and maintenance of this hub should be for at least 3 years, and maybe more. Also, you need to break this budget into parts
Correct me if I misunderstood your budget table
Thus hoomandigital 0x_Buidler and ChaiT gets 108k each (18k per month)
Correct me if I misunderstood your budget table
Thus hoomandigital 0x_Buidler and ChaiT gets 108k each (18k per month)
Summary: I think that this job may have a budget of no more than 200k
You wrote that you cut the budget. Can you specifically say what exactly has changed compared to the original request?
I like this initiative and think you all have done a 10/10 job on the website design / implementation.
However, I worry that this will garner too little of traffic in order to justify the cost. From my experience - people like data. The DAO is also in need of improved reporting.
I like this initiative and think you all have done a 10/10 job on the website design / implementation.
However, I worry that this will garner too little of traffic in order to justify the cost. From my experience - people like data. The DAO is also in need of improved reporting.
I think if this group is able to chat with Dune and try to strike a deal to host dashboards on ArbitrumHub.io w/ a custom UI would end up driving more traffic and ultimately make it easier to accomplish your goals. Additionally, community incentives could be used towards attracting "Dune wizards" to create queries that provide greater transparency into the DAO e.g. treasury, incentives, protocol specific, etc dashboards. It would also turn ArbitrumHub.io into a tool protocol's look to leverage and get real-time data across all of Arbitrum into one place.
That's just my two cents - but charts/data are the number one way to drive engagement from people currently outside of the Arbitrum ecosystem.
Thanks for your proposal!
I believe that we need a hub for all ARB-related information, and you guys are building something interesting.
Some feedback:
This seems to overlap with a lot of attributions of the ARDC.
Thanks for your proposal!
I believe that we need a hub for all ARB-related information, and you guys are building something interesting.
Some feedback:
This seems to overlap with a lot of attributions of the ARDC.
It would be better if those items are explained in more details.
| Details | Per Month | Six Months |
|---|---|---|
| Collaboration, Reports, Meetings, and Lead (@ChaiT and @0x_Buidler ) as Hosts and collaborators | $17,000 | $102,000 |
| Community Contribution Incentives (Community) | $20,000 | $120,000 |
About the "Advisors" role: There is a great focus in getting feedback and engaging with the community, so it seems not really necessary.
Hi @0x_Buidler and all the contributors,
Thanks for putting together the proposal and addressing the feedback from us in the hub.
Hi @0x_Buidler and all the contributors,
Thanks for putting together the proposal and addressing the feedback from us in the hub.
While considering the deliverables are great additions to the Arbitrum DAO governance accessibility, we simply consider each budget calculation way expensive and work associated with each budget very vague. For example, what's difference between the first item and fourth item? Managing and maintaining should include the enhancements and new pages. Why do you need "Community Contribution Incentives" and how do you plan to distribute them? The second item literally mentioned "Reports" but separate reports have their dedicated budget, which doesn't make sense. What would Advisors do and why each advisor deserves $2k?
Also, we believe the sustainability of the tool shouldn't only come from the DAO. Is the plan going to keep asking the budgets to the DAO to maintain the dashboard forever? How should the DAO evaluate the outcome from maintaining the dashboard?
Thanks again for your effort and it would be great to address our feedback before considering to go for a vote.
I like the results of your idea of conveniently providing all the Arbitrum information. However, there are a couple of questions about goals and costs for your second stage:
I like the results of your idea of conveniently providing all the Arbitrum information. However, there are a couple of questions about goals and costs for your second stage:
I want to support your project, it is very necessary and I use it myself, but I would like more transparency. I sincerely believe that maintaining a site does not require so much money and I ask you to consider reducing the cost
sorry didn't see that, I always feel that I'm 2 much on the defense when it comes to funding proposals, but maybe some transparency would help me*(and probly others) to understand how those costs are justified and who will be actually delivering on them :smiley:
Regarding the $6k/month for the weekly DAO sync report, we would like to emphasize that these reports require extensive research and effort to capture all events happening in a DAO each week. Each report is 2k to 3k words long and is quoted at $1.2k per report, with 5 reports produced every month, which aligns with industry standards. Additionally, these reports have been consistently created by Angela for the past 5-6 months without requesting any compensation, demonstrating their value and utilization in various official spaces, adding significant value to the DAO.
100% agree that Angela should be compensated for her efforts! :pray:
I personally love the hub and think it's the future for Arbitrum DAO, but there's always a but when funding new proposals...something that I would love to see in Arbitrum DAO is splitting new proposals into milestones(1, 2, 3) and the funding requests split out between them. Agreed that it can add 2 much friction, but it can also save $ and ensure alignment.
GL :four_leaf_clover:
I am a big fan or Arbitrum Hub and would love to see it succeed, but I have a question..how are these costs justified? Like if I add them up it give me 53k for two team members/month which I personally think it is 2 much and also 6k per month for reporting -which is also a little 2 much
| Details | Per Month | Six Months |
|---|---|---|
| Item-1: Security, Uptime, Management, and Maintenance (@hoomandigital , with @0x_Buidler and @ChaiT as POC) | $18,000 | $108,000 |
| Item-2: Collaboration, Meetings & Meetings Report, , and Lead (@ChaiT and @0x_Buidler ) as Hosts and collaborators | $17,000 | $102,000 |
| Item-3: Community Contribution Incentives (Community) | $20,000 | $120,000 |
| Item-4: New Pages Development and Enhancements (@hoomandigital , with @0x_Buidler and @ChaiT as Points of Contact) | $18,000 | $108,000 |
| Item-5: Weekly DAO Sync Reports and 1 Extra Reports (@ocandocrypto ) | $6,000 | $36,000 |
| Total | $79,000 | $474,000 |
I abstained from voting on this proposal.
Since I am somewhat involved in this proposal, I don't think it's appropriate for me to vote on it.
However, I am always open to feedback and committed to providing value to the DAO. I will keep delegates informed of updates and look for new ways to improve communication, regardless of the outcome.
I will also pay attention to comments and any concerns and will collaborate as much as possible.
Thank you for the proposal @0x_Buidler
I agree with the sentiment shared by other delegates that the suggested budget for this work seems a bit excessive. Can you please share some links from other DAOs where such budgets have been allocated for this type of work either for you or other service providers?
While the first iteration of this project can have a centralised approach to make this efficient, this can be a threat in the future, where the admins essentially have a monopoly over 'what is true'. It would be great to see an outline of how the larger DAO or other delegates can join the operations and decision making process going forward
Thanks for the detailed description, but unfortunately I never saw the detailed budget.
I see the right goals and good prospects, but for such a budget amount, I believe that the development and maintenance of this hub should be for at least 3 years, and maybe more. Also, you need to break this budget into parts
Correct me if I misunderstood your budget table
Thus hoomandigital 0x_Buidler and ChaiT gets 108k each (18k per month)
Correct me if I misunderstood your budget table
Thus hoomandigital 0x_Buidler and ChaiT gets 108k each (18k per month)
Summary: I think that this job may have a budget of no more than 200k
You wrote that you cut the budget. Can you specifically say what exactly has changed compared to the original request?
I like this initiative and think you all have done a 10/10 job on the website design / implementation.
However, I worry that this will garner too little of traffic in order to justify the cost. From my experience - people like data. The DAO is also in need of improved reporting.
I like this initiative and think you all have done a 10/10 job on the website design / implementation.
However, I worry that this will garner too little of traffic in order to justify the cost. From my experience - people like data. The DAO is also in need of improved reporting.
I think if this group is able to chat with Dune and try to strike a deal to host dashboards on ArbitrumHub.io w/ a custom UI would end up driving more traffic and ultimately make it easier to accomplish your goals. Additionally, community incentives could be used towards attracting "Dune wizards" to create queries that provide greater transparency into the DAO e.g. treasury, incentives, protocol specific, etc dashboards. It would also turn ArbitrumHub.io into a tool protocol's look to leverage and get real-time data across all of Arbitrum into one place.
That's just my two cents - but charts/data are the number one way to drive engagement from people currently outside of the Arbitrum ecosystem.
Thanks for your proposal!
I believe that we need a hub for all ARB-related information, and you guys are building something interesting.
Some feedback:
This seems to overlap with a lot of attributions of the ARDC.
Thanks for your proposal!
I believe that we need a hub for all ARB-related information, and you guys are building something interesting.
Some feedback:
This seems to overlap with a lot of attributions of the ARDC.
It would be better if those items are explained in more details.
| Details | Per Month | Six Months |
|---|---|---|
| Collaboration, Reports, Meetings, and Lead (@ChaiT and @0x_Buidler ) as Hosts and collaborators | $17,000 | $102,000 |
| Community Contribution Incentives (Community) | $20,000 | $120,000 |
About the "Advisors" role: There is a great focus in getting feedback and engaging with the community, so it seems not really necessary.
Hi @0x_Buidler and all the contributors,
Thanks for putting together the proposal and addressing the feedback from us in the hub.
Hi @0x_Buidler and all the contributors,
Thanks for putting together the proposal and addressing the feedback from us in the hub.
While considering the deliverables are great additions to the Arbitrum DAO governance accessibility, we simply consider each budget calculation way expensive and work associated with each budget very vague. For example, what's difference between the first item and fourth item? Managing and maintaining should include the enhancements and new pages. Why do you need "Community Contribution Incentives" and how do you plan to distribute them? The second item literally mentioned "Reports" but separate reports have their dedicated budget, which doesn't make sense. What would Advisors do and why each advisor deserves $2k?
Also, we believe the sustainability of the tool shouldn't only come from the DAO. Is the plan going to keep asking the budgets to the DAO to maintain the dashboard forever? How should the DAO evaluate the outcome from maintaining the dashboard?
Thanks again for your effort and it would be great to address our feedback before considering to go for a vote.
I like the results of your idea of conveniently providing all the Arbitrum information. However, there are a couple of questions about goals and costs for your second stage:
I like the results of your idea of conveniently providing all the Arbitrum information. However, there are a couple of questions about goals and costs for your second stage:
I want to support your project, it is very necessary and I use it myself, but I would like more transparency. I sincerely believe that maintaining a site does not require so much money and I ask you to consider reducing the cost
